Comics Official X-FORCE Discussion Thread

[javi1024]

Go back and check out some of the earlier arcs in the new X-Factor series.

yea i dont read X-Factor.

 

[GambitXremy]

X-factors been really good of late tho you should check it out it's like the right time too if you wanted to

 

[Manic]

ive never head of a Killcrop.

An old X-Factor spoiler...

Spoiler

Modern day mutants gain their powers at puberty, but once upon a time, mutants used to manifest their powers at birth all the time. In the old days of Europe, these superpowered infants were called "killcrops" or "changelings." "Killcrop" comes from local farmers blaming their ruined crops on the infants. "Changeling" relates to the old myth of demons & faeries who'd kidnap human children, and replace them with their own fey/demonic offspring-- meaning some people thought their mutant children were actually the children of monsters. Some families used to put their superpowered infant children outside in the cold or on piles of manure, in hope that the faeries and demons would reclaim their children and give the human families back their real kids.

Needless to say, a lot of mutant babies died. That's why mother nature switched things up, and now mutants manifest their powers as teens. Better chance for survival.

In theory, any mutant who fully manifests their powers at birth is a killcrop rather than a traditional mutant. They're still mutants, but they're a genetic throwback. It's like whenever the X-Men encounter someone who claims to be the next step beyond mutants-- killcrops are just a step back.

Multiple Man and a villain of his are the only confirmed killcrops, though I like to think characters like Meggan Braddock and possibly Hope Summers count.

 

[squeekness]

X-factors been really good of late tho you should check it out it's like the right time too if you wanted to

Seriously. It's the best X-book right now, hands down.

 

[OutcryX]

wouldnt nightcrawler be one too..not cuz of his teleportation but because of his fur

 

[Ion Kenshin]

X-factors been really good of late tho you should check it out it's like the right time too if you wanted to

I may take your advice on that. I have been wanting to get back into that book

 

[El Bastardo]

wouldnt nightcrawler be one too..not cuz of his teleportation but because of his fur

The fur isn't a part of his mutation. It's a genetic trait from mommy and/or daddy.

 

[Havok83]

An old X-Factor spoiler...

Spoiler

Modern day mutants gain their powers at puberty, but once upon a time, mutants used to manifest their powers at birth all the time. In the old days of Europe, these superpowered infants were called "killcrops" or "changelings." "Killcrop" comes from local farmers blaming their ruined crops on the infants. "Changeling" relates to the old myth of demons & faeries who'd kidnap human children, and replace them with their own fey/demonic offspring-- meaning some people thought their mutant children were actually the children of monsters. Some families used to put their superpowered infant children outside in the cold or on piles of manure, in hope that the faeries and demons would reclaim their children and give the human families back their real kids.

Needless to say, a lot of mutant babies died. That's why mother nature switched things up, and now mutants manifest their powers as teens. Better chance for survival.

In theory, any mutant who fully manifests their powers at birth is a killcrop rather than a traditional mutant. They're still mutants, but they're a genetic throwback. It's like whenever the X-Men encounter someone who claims to be the next step beyond mutants-- killcrops are just a step back.

Multiple Man and a villain of his are the only confirmed killcrops, though I like to think characters like Meggan Braddock and possibly Hope Summers count.

Based on that definition, I think Beast might apply as well. While, he didnt display his powers at birth, Cable's powers manifested when he was a baby

 

[OutcryX]

The fur isn't a part of his mutation. It's a genetic trait from mommy and/or daddy.

hahaha. *thinking of mystique as a big furry beastie*

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Imagine if Kurt was red like daddy instead

 

[mightiest_mortal]

The fur isn't a part of his mutation. It's a genetic trait from mommy and/or daddy.

It still must be a part of his mutation I guess, as its still the result of inheriting the mutated genes from his parents... Otherwise any mutant offspring of mutants wouldnt be classed as mutants.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I think Bastardo means that Kurt's X-gene allows him to teleport. His blue fur is a result of another gene or genes elsewhere in his genome.

 

[UraniaChang]

I thought the blue fur was part of his mutation, you know, being able to blend in with dark places and hide in the shadow.

No point in making the simple character setting complicated with no reasonable reasons imo.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I'm not too familiar with the Phoenix history. But I was wondering, is the Phoenix a seperate entity or something like that? Because I remember in Cable issue 5 I think it was, there was a explosion and the reflection in Hope's eyes was the Phoenix, i'm sure of it. So either Hope ends up being Jean Grey or the Phoenix like travels from body to body in different time-lines and universes or something? I have a feeling Hope will end up as Phoenix.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm not too familiar with the Phoenix history. But I was wondering, is the Phoenix a seperate entity or something like that? Because I remember in Cable issue 5 I think it was, there was a explosion and the reflection in Hope's eyes was the Phoenix, i'm sure of it. So either Hope ends up being Jean Grey or the Phoenix like travels from body to body in different time-lines and universes or something? I have a feeling Hope will end up as Phoenix.

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/The_White_Hot_Room

This should help

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Thanks man

That's a interesting read. So I'm sorta right then? The Phoenix uses different hosts but there is actually more than one of them?

 

[El Bastardo]

I think Bastardo means that Kurt's X-gene allows him to teleport. His blue fur is a result of another gene or genes elsewhere in his genome.

My brother from another mother read my mind.

The blending in to darkness (when that's even remembered, anyway - actually, when is it even remembered that Kurt has blue fur covering him, and that he's not just blue like his mother?) isn't necessarily a part of his X-gene. It's not like he has a cloaking field that manifested as his mutant power.

His X-gene allows teleportation to the brimstone dimension, whatever it's called. The rest is simply an outside factor, much as Beast's mutation does not involve fur.

 

[Havok83]

Thanks man

That's a interesting read. So I'm sorta right then? The Phoenix uses different hosts but there is actually more than one of them?

The Phoenix is so convoluted bc things change from writer to writer as they try to put their own spin on it. Basically the Phoenix Force is a cosmic entity which has had several different hosts throughout the years. Jean Grey however is supposed to be at the top of the scale, the one who perfectly bonds with it and capable of being Phoenix of the White Crown, which is the Phoenix at its highest and fullest potential

 

[mightiest_mortal]

My brother from another mother read my mind.

The blending in to darkness (when that's even remembered, anyway - actually, when is it even remembered that Kurt has blue fur covering him, and that he's not just blue like his mother?) isn't necessarily a part of his X-gene. It's not like he has a cloaking field that manifested as his mutant power.

His X-gene allows teleportation to the brimstone dimension, whatever it's called. The rest is simply an outside factor, much as Beast's mutation does not involve fur.

The difference with Beasts fur and Kurts fur though is that Beast became furry and blue from taking some serum, nightcrawler has been genetically furry and blue from birth.

If you're arguing that his appearence is a result of his parents mutations rather than a mutation of his own, then even his teleportation wouldn't be his own mutation (Azazel had limited teleportation powers). Also its been theorised that his shadowblending is a result of his connection to the brimstone dimension too, meaning that too would have been an inherited trait.

Its a very difficult path to go down. By that logic people like Siryn, Rachel and Nightcrawler wouldn't be classed as Mutants at all, just people that have inherited superpoweres from their parents.

 

[El Bastardo]

The difference with Beasts fur and Kurts fur though is that Beast became furry and blue from taking some serum, nightcrawler has been genetically furry and blue from birth.

If you're arguing that his appearence is a result of his parents mutations rather than a mutation of his own, then even his teleportation wouldn't be his own mutation (Azazel had limited teleportation powers). Also its been theorised that his shadowblending is a result of his connection to the brimstone dimension too, meaning that too would have been an inherited trait.

Its a very difficult path to go down. By that logic people like Siryn, Rachel and Nightcrawler wouldn't be classed as Mutants at all, just people that have inherited superpoweres from their parents.

Not really, on the latter. They might have similar powers as their parents, but if they come out of the X-gene, they're mutant powers and not inherited superpowers. And if Siryn and Rachel weren't born with the powers, but had them manifest later in life, then that would also cement them as mutant powers from an activated X-gene.

Azazel had limited teleportation powers, but Kurt's powers display themselves as much more powerful as Kurt grows and understands them, and practices with them, and whatever else. I don't think he was teleporting around as a baby - in which case, the powers manifested later on through the X-gene, marking the teleportation as a mutant power. Fur, shadow-blending, whatever.

 

[OutcryX]

that would be pretty cool tho a cute blue furred teleporting baby...a nightmare for the parents tho

 

[Havok83]

that would be pretty cool tho a cute blue furred teleporting baby...a nightmare for the parents tho

well his mother did throw him away...lol

 

[GambitXremy]

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Looks ****ing sick!! Nice one

 

[mightiest_mortal]

Man I love stryfe.. hes so utterly utterly ridiculous