Comics Official X-Men Forever Thread

I agree. That's the one thing I like about Claremont books over others. His books still feel like team books. I can't say this about the other current X Men titles.

I kind of think the Jean and Logan connection makes sense. It seems that Jean's revival of Phoenix like powers makes her somewhat more primal. I think this would lend her to have a deeper link with Logan at the moment than with Scott.
 
as every other X-men book is heavy doses of Scott and Emma Boleyn
 
Okay, now you're being unfair. Every writer is going to have favourite characters. It isn't a crime. I personally find that Chris Claremont tries to give every X-man his/her time to shine. He's a hell of a lot better at that than many current X-writers. No offense, but you just don't seem to like Chris Claremont very much.
except I listed specific examples of how that hasnt been the case with Iceman over his 30+ years writing for the X-men
 
again is there anything wrong with him not writing Iceman?????
Hell the same could be said about Angel and Beast. Hell out of the 20 characters that are now part of the X-men i think one or two are going to fall thru the cracks...or maybe everytime he wanted to use Iceman he was committed elsewhere. As soon as they left the xmen they founded the new defenders...and then when that book ended he was now a part of X-Factor(which I believe Claremont scripted at some point) and then when they got back to the xmen Claremont had quit.
 
again is there anything wrong with him not writing Iceman?????
Hell the same could be said about Angel and Beast. Hell out of the 20 characters that are now part of the X-men i think one or two are going to fall thru the cracks...or maybe everytime he wanted to use Iceman he was committed elsewhere. As soon as they left the xmen they founded the new defenders...and then when that book ended he was now a part of X-Factor(which I believe Claremont scripted at some point) and then when they got back to the xmen Claremont had quit.
that didnt stop him from having Angel on his team (and he followed Bobby to those same other teams you mentioned). Besides, as I mentioned he still managed to have Beast around as much as he could (up until Jean's death) even though he was an active Avenger at the time. I highly doubt that Iceman was always unavaible when CC wanted to use him. If so, how do you explain him complete absense during Revolution where CC had free range across the 2 core books at the time? Bobby was in limbo not being used anywhere.
 
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Chris Claremont doesn't care about ice people. :o
 
that didnt stop him from having Angel on his team (and he followed Bobby to those same other teams you mentioned). Besides, as I mentioned he still managed to have Beast around as much as he could (up until Jean's death) even though he was an active Avenger at the time. I highly doubt that Iceman was always unavaible when CC wanted to use him. If so, how do you explain him complete absense during Revolution where CC had free range across the 2 core books at the time? Bobby was in limbo not being used anywhere.
Well, to be fair, no one really seems to want to pay Bobby any attention as far as I know.

And I'm not saying that CC is perfect. He is just much better at making things a team effort than most of the X-writers imo.
 
Astonishing X-men starring Scott, Emma and Logan,
Uncanny X-men starring Scott, Emma and Logan,
and then mad at CC cause Iceman isnt on the team
 
Logan is barely in Uncanny. It's more like Scott, Emma, and Hank.
 
well the point i was trying to make is that there are more xmen than those three and thats why they have the several books to showcase different teams
 
Why won't you understand that only those 3 X-men matter? :dry:

But in all seriousness, I just don't get it. Its not as if Scott and Emma are such popular characters that it would even make sense for this much focus to be on them all the time. And its not as if their relationship is particularly interesting either. Ooh! Emma's mean and Scott is a boyscout (stereotypically speaking). :whatever: A good writer will write about as many characters as possible. They will not try to force everyone to like their favourite character(s) by writing about them all the time (Carey, I'm looking in your direction too).

And hey, does anyone know whatever happened to Chamber? Is he anywhere right now, or is he chillin' with Gambit in limbo?
 
dont take that tone with me canada person...lol

I'd think that if one book focused on Scott and Emma at least the other book would focus on the other xmen. Right now if you are a gambit fan all you have is Forever. If you are an Iceman fan you are screwed
 
Astonishing X-men starring Scott, Emma and Logan,
Uncanny X-men starring Scott, Emma and Logan,
and then mad at CC cause Iceman isnt on the team
When did I ever say I was mad at the fact that Iceman isnt in Forever? All I made was a simple observation about how Ive noticed that he's rarely ever used him and its been blown up out of proportion. Im not phased that Bobby isnt in this book as I didnt even realize it till the last issue.
 
Some clarification of Jean and Logan and news from Mr Claremont himself:

Couple of general points -- Logan made his attraction plain from the get-go, and while Jean indeed felt an immediate response she also had a fundamental commitment to Scott, which she honored. So did Logan, by backing off. Then she died, end of story, life -- and characters -- moved on.

Scott met Madelyne -- who, as originally conceived, was not Jean, simply her visual twin. That, of course, didn't stop the writer from trying his best to tease the living daylights out of the audience by making them wonder all about it. The fight with Mastermind leading up to the wedding was meant to put that conflict to rest once and for all, for characters and readers. The next step along the path was for Scott to make a choice between surrogate family -- the X-Men -- and real family, Madelyine and the baby; the hole point of the fight with Ororo in the Danger Room and his acceptance of the commitment he made to Madelyne was to show that he was growing up, setting aside the commitment he'd made as a child for the one he'd made as an adult. He was, to use the classic phrase, giving up his "childish" things. In other words, your basic metaphor for life. He'd be available for special circumstances, but the focus of his being was now elsewhere. That was the intent.

Little did we know as we set all that in motion, what was waiting in the wings.

So now, with all of the X-Men structure in place and underway, along comes this primal monkey-wrench. But the key thing to remember is that, as the story developed, both the central characters had changed. Like it or not, Scott had made a commitment to Madelyne, and fathered a son with her, and while "dead" Jean had apparently lost part of herself, the part of herself that she'd lost, was the part that deeply and passionately loved Scott. What remained, while she remembered loving Scott, while she still loved him in a way, was also the part that had an equally strong and passionate desire for Logan. Hence, over the subsequent issues, the ongoing attraction. Logan sensed the change in her and responded, and Jean found that no matter how much she kept telling herself not to do so, she would keep answering those responses.

During "Inferno" they kiss. Jean reintegrates with the lost part of herself -- only now, the love within Madelyne that once was pure, is now truly and remourselessly pissed off. So, Jean's passionate attraction for Logan is now coupled with an equally primal antipathy for Scott. The stage, as they say, is set.

Now we're seeing what happened next. As to where that will lead -- well, let's just say we're not done in this title with surprises and revelations.

(By the way, changing the subject totally to give you all something to look forward to come Thanksgiving and Christmas, I just got the first pencil page from Tom G for #11 -- the entrance of Colossus -- and it is spectacular. If you thought he looked good as an X-Man, wait'll you see how great he is as the Hero of the Russian Republic. Totally impressive. And wait'll you meet his partner! And Smitty's just delivered the "Excalibur" reunion scene from #10, which is also totally gorgeous. Did I mention Sam & Dani & the NM folks as well? Treats galore, stay tuned. It'll be fun!)
 
For October:

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X-MEN FOREVER #9 & 10
Written by CHRIS CLAREMONT
Penciled by STEVE SCOTT (#9) & PAUL SMITH (#10)
Covers by TOM GRUMMETT
X-Men Forever #9 Zombie Variant by TBA
"The Secret History of The Sentinels"
The thrilling conclusion to the X-Men's South American adventure!!! The X-Men take on this newest threat while still reeling from the revelations of the last issue - and the reappearance of the Trask family! PLUS! The funeral of WOLVERINE. The X-Men put to rest their team member and friend. Penciled by Paul Smith and inked by Terry Austin!
32 PGS.(each)/Rated A …$3.99 (each)

Gambit looks like Pete Wisdom. :(


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Claremont's reason:

"Oh, really? Then you think it's makes far more sense for a professional thief to go around wearing pink skintights and an armored chest-plate?"
 
That's supposed to be Gambit? I thought that really was Pete Wisdom.
 
Claremont's reason:

"Oh, really? Then you think it's makes far more sense for a professional thief to go around wearing pink skintights and an armored chest-plate?"
My reply would be "it makes even less sense for a professional thief to go into a fire fight wearing a three-piece suit."
 
there is going to be more to Gambit in this series than just another X-men
also remember that this issue takes place during Wolverine's funeral.
 
Claremont's reason:

"Oh, really? Then you think it's makes far more sense for a professional thief to go around wearing pink skintights and an armored chest-plate?"
But a Wisdom look alike is the best they can come up with? Geez.....

That's supposed to be Gambit? I thought that really was Pete Wisdom.
Tis sad, 'tis sad.... :(

My reply would be "it makes even less sense for a professional thief to go into a fire fight wearing a three-piece suit."
Agreed. What about the Extreme black? I love this costume....


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Best costume to date...
 
i think what we are seeing is the same sensabilities that went into Logan not wearing a costume....this guy was tagging along with Storm and maybe a apart of whats going on with her. Claremont's Gambit never struck me as someone who wanted to be an X-man and we shall see if he follows up that particular thread.
 
But a Wisdom look alike is the best they can come up with? Geez.....

Tis sad, 'tis sad.... :(

Agreed. What about the Extreme black? I love this costume....


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Best costume to date...
For me, the combat boots just scream Gambit for some reason. I loved how personalized it was.
 

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