Comics Official X-Men Forever Thread

[SDawg]

I am digging the aggressive Storm although it's somewhat out of character, but because she is so reserved it's nice to see her let loose every so often. But why did she choose to burn out Sabretooth eyes. I must say I found this hilarious since in previous pics he didn't have any lol!

 

[iamlegend]

I am digging the aggressive Storm although it's somewhat out of character, but because she is so reserved it's nice to see her let loose every so often. But why did she choose to burn out Sabretooth eyes. I must say I found this hilarious since in previous pics he didn't have any lol!

Aggressive Storm is right up Claremont's alley. He idolizes Storm and always blew her persona and powers way out of proportion. This should come as no surprise.

 

[katie_girl09]

Its awesome though. I always thought that Storm could do waaay more than she allowed herself to. I don't think he's blowing her powers out of proportion at all. In fact, I think that writers often underestimate and stifle Storm's powers. Its nice that she's really aggressive here. Welcome change for me, personally.
And I hate Sabertooth (of course, we are supposed to) so I was a little bit glad.

 

[SDawg]

I also think they often underestimate Storm's abilities as well. But that's a whole different discussion. Issue 3 was just as interesting and I can't wait for the fourth now. At least it's only two weeks!

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I must say I am not happy to see what Kitty did to Storm, real or fake LOL! And who is the little troop at the beginning? This Storm might be something other than nanny's doing. Do you think it was the real Storm in the closet?

 

[iamlegend]

Its awesome though. I always thought that Storm could do waaay more than she allowed herself to. I don't think he's blowing her powers out of proportion at all. In fact, I think that writers often underestimate and stifle Storm's powers. Its nice that she's really aggressive here. Welcome change for me, personally.
And I hate Sabertooth (of course, we are supposed to) so I was a little bit glad.

You think Storm's powers have been underestimated? Did you read Claremont's various run's on the X-Men when he had Storm? Did you? Because if you did you'd understand completely what I was talking about.

He made Storm an unstoppable, indomitable will, never wrong mega-powerhouse Mary-Sue.

 

[SDawg]

So what he did the same thing for many other characters including the one he boosted most of all Jean Grey. She all of a sudden became God like after being the damsel in distress for most of her early years. I don't get why there is so many complaints about what Storm did under Claremont, I wonder if it is because she was really one of the first female powerhouses in comics during a time when females were a step above sidekicks. But this is a totally different discussion.

 

[katie_girl09]

You talk about Claremont, but I am talking about other writers.
And say what you will about Claremont, I have personally found that he is better than a lot of writers (especially the X-writers of today, who only seem to care about Scott, Emma, Jean and Wolverine for the most part) at giving every character his/her time to shine. Yes, he has favourite characters (what writer doesn't?), but I find him better in that respect.

 

[Manic]

Didn't Chris Yost write that miniseries where Storm used lightning to take down an X-jet from the other side of the planet without even knowing the jet's location?

 

[iamlegend]

So what he did the same thing for many other characters including the one he boosted most of all Jean Grey. She all of a sudden became God like after being the damsel in distress for most of her early years. I don't get why there is so many complaints about what Storm did under Claremont, I wonder if it is because she was really one of the first female powerhouses in comics during a time when females were a step above sidekicks. But this is a totally different discussion.

You do realize you're talking about one of the most revered storylines in COMIC BOOK HISTORY, right?

He created the Phoenix and killed Jean... the first time. Most of what happened after that was out of his control.

And no, no one hates on Storm for some sexist reason. Most folks that hate on Storm do it because she was hammered down their throats by types like Claremont. Just like people currently hate on Wolverine because he's essentially been portrayed as indestructible and unstoppable.

 

[Silver Samurai]

I just read #3. Awesome, awesome book. This ish managed to answer a lot of questions and left some very big ones yet unresolved. I am very optimistic about this title and will continue to buy for the foreseeable future.

Storm owning Sabes in #2 was epic. I don't care what anyone says. Just shows you Storm can basically press anyone up against a wall and fry them, and

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now we know she was holding back a lot since she basically disintegrated Wolverine, minus the adamantium of course. It is always possible that her powers are being amplified, however, by whatever evil agency seems to be calling her shots.

 

[terry78]

I confess I enjoy reading these books, because Claremont just has that type of writing style where every ****ing thing is exposition, but he doesn't come off as tired cliche.

 

[Silver Samurai]

I confess I enjoy reading these books, because Claremont just has that type of writing style where every ****ing thing is exposition, but he doesn't come off as tired cliche.

Claremont appreciates the medium for what it is and doesn't try to make it into a movie script or something else it's not. He actually gives you a mag with substance that you can sit down and spend a little time actually reading. A superhero comic is just not quite a superhero comic without loads of melodrama, thought bubbles, fight dialogue, et cetera; and Claremont delivers - and in an intelligent way. The plot development is actually interesting, unpredictable, and action-driven.

 

[TheVileOne]

Sabretooth referred to Logan as his son and seemed quite upset about his death. Either that or he wanted to kill Logan himself.

Jean called Logan "THE MAN SHE LOVED." Uh oh. Not only that, Scott's reaction to it was hilarious. "She said what? Ok, got to keep focus on what's happening right now." Maybe if Scott was messing around with Psylocke that would've made more sense, like Cyclops and Jean had drifted apart.

Still since Wolverine is dead now, its sort of meaningless.

 

[Silver Samurai]

Sabretooth referred to Logan as his son and seemed quite upset about his death. Either that or he wanted to kill Logan himself.

Jean called Logan "THE MAN SHE LOVED." Uh oh. Not only that, Scott's reaction to it was hilarious. "She said what? Ok, got to keep focus on what's happening right now." Maybe if Scott was messing around with Psylocke that would've made more sense, like Cyclops and Jean had drifted apart.

Still since Wolverine is dead now, its sort of meaningless.

Jean's feelings for Wolverine are not a total surprise to Scott. I can understand Scott's situation, because my ex was a crazy (like Jean) who had feelings for this other, "bad" guy (like Logan) for years and finally left me for him. When I found out, it's not like I thought, "What the almighty hell? How could this be?" It was more like, "Damn it, I knew this was going to happen."

Also, understand that he and all his friends are in a life-threatening situation and they all just witnessed some really epic stuff. If I was in that situation, I don't think I would be mulling over my relationship status.

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't think Scott is as level headed and rational as you are.

Also, Wolverine's not a totally bad guy. And Jean's not a totally good woman.

 

[Silver Samurai]

I don't think Scott is as level headed and rational as you are.

Also, Wolverine's not a totally bad guy. And Jean's not a totally good woman.

Scott has to be level-headed. The Professor wouldn't appoint him team leader unless he was, and he is. Wolverine is a "bad guy," in the sense that he's an edgy, mysterious loner with rage issues, not necessarily in the sense that he is evil. And I would agree with you about Jean, which is why I called her a crazy.

All this aside, I would naturally expect Scott to confront Jean about it some time in the next couple of issues, assuming they get a breather.

The really pressing question, in my mind, after reading #3 is:

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How did Wolverine's claw manage to graft itself to Kitty's arm and how did she develop the musculature to retract it? Looking back at issue #1, it's pretty obvious that the claw transfer happened when Kitty, Logan, and Cortez got mixed up in a power criss-cross of sorts, but I hope Claremont goes a little more in depth on this.

 

[roach]

You think Storm's powers have been underestimated? Did you read Claremont's various run's on the X-Men when he had Storm? Did you? Because if you did you'd understand completely what I was talking about.

He made Storm an unstoppable, indomitable will, never wrong mega-powerhouse Mary-Sue.

well if you read issue 3 you'd see how is Mary Sue is doing

 

[SDawg]

You do realize you're talking about one of the most revered storylines in COMIC BOOK HISTORY, right?

He created the Phoenix and killed Jean... the first time. Most of what happened after that was out of his control.

And no, no one hates on Storm for some sexist reason. Most folks that hate on Storm do it because she was hammered down their throats by types like Claremont. Just like people currently hate on Wolverine because he's essentially been portrayed as indestructible and unstoppable.

1. The fact that the Phoenix storyline is revered does not change the fact that Jean Grey is the number one beneficiary when it comes to Claremont's "exaggerations". She still went from being a side chick to God like in power. Also, remember it wasn't Claremont's idea to kill Jean Grey. That was the editor's. It is quite possible that these powerful feats would have continued in the future. The whole storyline about Storm losing her powers is what Claremont wanted to do with Jean initially. If Jean wouldn't have died maybe she would have been "shoved down our throats" but that happened anyway.

2. Many of the XMen have been portrayed without flaws or as all powerful at some point. Initially it was Professor X saving the day with his mental powers, then Cyclops with his powerful beams, Alex and the whole Monolith thing, Jean with Phoenix powers, Wolverine with his healing (and didn't he possess cosmic powers at one point), Iceman somehow being an Omega mutant, Nightcrawler being able to seemingly escape every thing thrown his way. Rachel taking out Galactus and the Beyonder, Psylocke coming back from the dead and all the other invulnerabilities she has now, Dazzler seems to be stronger than I remember now too, Sage going up against the Fury in hand to hand combat, anyone with the last name Summers being the most powerful mutant ever. Again, Storm has not been the only one and her exaggerations have not been nearly as bad or even shoved down our throats as much as others IMO. (You made this point by stating that all of the Phoenix manipulations were post-Claremont, the same people that downplayed Storm's powers, that's also close to 20 years of history.)

IIt's a comic book and overtime abilites get stretched I mean look at Superman, what once was super isn't anymore and he was boosted big time from his beginning days.

Ultimately, what works for a story is what the writer does and sometimes they downscale characters and sometimes they upgrade, its just a matter of what they need.

BTW, I am done with this discussion...this book has been really good and I would rather turn my attention to it.

 

[katie_girl09]

The Jean-Logan crap is the only thing that I don't like about this title. In the 616 universe, I always got the sense that Jean was just kinda infatuated with Logan but was in love with Scott. She liked Logan because he was the exact opposite of Scott. Claremont making them like secret longing lovers just doesn't sit right with me.

 

[squeekness]

I've read enough of the old stuff to buy the Jean/Logan story or the fantasy of it anyhow, I just think Claremont's pacing is making it all seem so abrupt and unexpected. There's been a lot of Jean/Logan near misses for a long while in normal continuity for this to be not so on a whim. It's just a bit overpowering, the way he's written it.

 

[roach]

I've read enough of the old stuff to buy the Jean/Logan story or the fantasy of it anyhow, I just think Claremont's pacing is making it all seem so abrupt and unexpected. There's been a lot of Jean/Logan near misses for a long while in normal continuity for this to be not so on a whim. It's just a bit overpowering, the way he's written it.

i do agree. Although it didnt bother me as the Emma/Scott coupling came out of nowhere too and everyone is fine with it.

 

[squeekness]

Yeah, I mean Emma has pretty much awlays been a villian. It's as inexplicable as how the Green Goblin dude is running things at HAMMER now. That would never happen in real life.

 

[Manic]

Yeah, I mean Emma has pretty much awlays been a villian.

Give or take that half-decade where Xavier hired her to teach his students.

 

[iamlegend]

Yeah, I mean Emma has pretty much awlays been a villian. It's as inexplicable as how the Green Goblin dude is running things at HAMMER now. That would never happen in real life.

Well, they are comics... t:

But, I agree with you. Obviously these books are meant to fun and fictional and stretch your beliefs (there are demons, cosmic entities, alternate universes that are rather freely explored, etc.) but Norman's rise to power was a bit of moment, no matter how much the writers try to back it up.

 

[terry78]

Half of the characters in the book are even still like, "you're letting a home grown terrorist have run of the free world?!"