Comics Official X-Men Forever Thread

[Havok83]

they also popped up in the X-men vs Alpha Flight mini also titled Asgardian Wars.

I think people were upset how he handled both of them. You dont abandon a wife and kid unless she is a succubus and his name is Grendel.
Scott didnt tell Jean he was married when she got back and she had to get it out of the others

if Im not mistaken Asgardian Wars occurred before UXM 201. That was the story that revealed that Maddie was pregnant

Jean wasnt all that upset when she found out that Scott was married with a kid. He did think she died and she would have wanted him to move on. She was understanding. She was more disappointed that he felt that he had to keep that hidden from her, but she didnt hold it against him. She put her feelings aside, and stood by him as a friend. She didnt quite get hurt or burned by him, and came out unscathed, at least in comparison to Madelyne

 

[TheVileOne]

None of those things make it right or make Scott less of a *****ebag.

 

[UraniaChang]

So? Name one person who hasn't don anything wrong/stupid in their life, Jesus doesn't count, not that I think he never did anything wrong.

At least he acknowledged those mistakes, that's more than a lot of people ever did.

 

[Mad Ones]

I don't think Scott is the same person anymore, anyway. He's not infatuated with Jean in that way anymore (as in the marrying her clone way), and I seriously doubt he'd act that way for Emma. The great thing about Scott now is that the people he used to depend on so much are out of his life, and he's now totally independent and out of the "leaving wife and baby" stage of his life.

It was an awful thing to do, but I think he's a better character now, and we should move on.

 

[UraniaChang]

I suppose he's over the fairy-tale stage of "I'll die without her/How can I live without her", and that's a good news, because really, nobody will simply die without someone.

 

[iamlegend]

I don't think Scott is the same person anymore, anyway. He's not infatuated with Jean in that way anymore (as in the marrying her clone way), and I seriously doubt he'd act that way for Emma. The great thing about Scott now is that the people he used to depend on so much are out of his life, and he's now totally independent and out of the "leaving wife and baby" stage of his life.

It was an awful thing to do, but I think he's a better character now, and we should move on.

Well, finally losing his dependence on Jean was good.

However, as a whole, Scott's character is, um... a bit radical at the moment in 616. And Marvel keeps pushing him.

Which is why Forever just may last.

 

[roach]

if Im not mistaken Asgardian Wars occurred before UXM 201. That was the story that revealed that Maddie was pregnant

Jean wasnt all that upset when she found out that Scott was married with a kid. He did think she died and she would have wanted him to move on. She was understanding. She was more disappointed that he felt that he had to keep that hidden from her, but she didnt hold it against him. She put her feelings aside, and stood by him as a friend. She didnt quite get hurt or burned by him, and came out unscathed, at least in comparison to Madelyne

Im not sure how it falls in as Cyclops was not with the X-men and was flying planes in Alaska when he was "attacked". Infact the loadmaster on the plane mentioned that Scott just joined the outfit.

Jean was pretty upset with Scott. She ran off and didnt respond to the team or go on the team mission at the time. However their story was on the backburner when the Mutant Massacre happened and Warren had his wings cut off

 

[roach]

So? Name one person who hasn't don anything wrong/stupid in their life, Jesus doesn't count, not that I think he never did anything wrong.

At least he acknowledged those mistakes, that's more than a lot of people ever did.

plenty of people make mistakes especially now in the Marvel U. The fact is however is that he didnt own up to it immediately. He left a wife and child to go play hero. He didnt tell a woman who was madly in love with him that he was married.

 

[roach]

Well, finally losing his dependence on Jean was good.

However, as a whole, Scott's character is, um... a bit radical at the moment in 616. And Marvel keeps pushing him.

Which is why Forever just may last.

thats why I love Scott's line in XMF #1..."We're X-men we dont kill."

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Haha. Forever won't last AT all. It's written by Claremont, everything he touches dies, even when a better writer steps on it and improves it. (Exiles. )

 

[UraniaChang]

plenty of people make mistakes especially now in the Marvel U. The fact is however is that he didnt own up to it immediately. He left a wife and child to go play hero. He didnt tell a woman who was madly in love with him that he was married.

But then again, not many people own up to their mistakes immediately, lost of people struggle with the simple word "sorry" for a long time before they utter the magical word, and there're the ones who never feel the need, not to mention the ones when don't really mean it.

Everyone does what they think it's the best for them when making a decision, however, it doesn't mean the decision is always right, they might take a second, minute, week, year, decade to learn that life lesson. It doesn't make them perfect, but it's very human so I won't hold it against them.

Besides, there are far worse things these characters can mess up.

 

[roach]

But then again, not many people own up to their mistakes immediately, lost of people struggle with the simple word "sorry" for a long time before they utter the magical word, and there're the ones who never feel the need, not to mention the ones when don't really mean it.

Everyone does what they think it's the best for them when making a decision, however, it doesn't mean the decision is always right, they might take a second, minute, week, year, decade to learn that life lesson. It doesn't make them perfect, but it's very human so I won't hold it against them.

Besides, there are far worse things these characters can mess up.

I think having an assassination squad is Scott's worst mistake and one that may(if intelligent writeres were writing this) bite him in the @$$.

 

[UraniaChang]

I never think what's wrong with the black op, extreme methods are required sometimes, just like I support the existence and necessity of death penalty (and hope those human rights idiot would spend more time on cleaning the streets), I've seen some people keep whining about how some enemies just won't go away, since they won't drop dead on their own, and you're sick of being a sitting duck all the time and to top with that, every once in a while, the government/other superhero team/some idiot decides that your DNA is too dangerous to let you breathe, despite having gods and aliens walking among the average crowds, I won't hesitate to assemble one if I were him. (Though I probably would rather keep to myself than worry myself with other people's fate)

But then, I grow up in one of the most tension-filled possible timebomb, I might need to be more practical, and extreme than average people.

 

[roach]

I never think what's wrong with the black op, extreme methods are required sometimes, just like I support the existence and necessity of death penalty (and hope those human rights idiot would spend more time on cleaning the streets), I've seen some people keep whining about how some enemies just won't go away, since they won't drop dead on their own, and you're sick of being a sitting duck all the time and to top with that, every once in a while, the government/other superhero team/some idiot decides that your DNA is too dangerous to let you breathe, despite having gods and aliens walking among the average crowds, I won't hesitate to assemble one if I were him. (Though I probably would rather keep to myself than worry myself with other people's fate)

But then, I grow up in one of the most tension-filled possible timebomb, I might need to be more practical, and extreme than average people.

I dont see a problem with a black ops team either...however this is the world of the superhero. They have to stand for something more. Wouldnt it be more heroic to have all these people gunning for you and you still maintain your morality in the face of adversity???
Should Superman start killing 'cause Lex aint gonna die on his own????
A story arc they should explore is that Scott sends the team to kill someone and it goes wrong and now the X-men have a new foe or that the old ones now fight to the finish cause they know the X-men mean business now. Why wouldnt a villain crash a plane into the X-compound while everyone is sleeping???
What if Scott sends them to kill the wrong person or they kill someone who may have been working with the government???

but we wont see these storylines as they show Scott in a bad light.

 

[UraniaChang]

I don't think it's fair to compare DC characters to Marvel ones, the later are more focused on the fact that "heroes aren't perfect", while DC ones always give me more of a fictional feeling.

And among all of the Marvel superheroes, the X-men are the only ones who fight because they have no other choice, they need to protect their own as much as other people. Yes, it's definitely more heroic to have all these people gunning for you and you still maintain your morality in the face of adversity, but then words can be real pretty too, that's why reality sucks but you still have to bear with it even if it's ugly.
And Scott is suffering from the decisions he makes (otherwise he wouldn't try to keep it a secret and angst about it), every mission can always go wrong, but that doesn't mean he should find a way to make him look good instead of what's necessary. Like I always said, some people have to make the sacrifice to let others keep their dreams, it might worth of the efforts in the end or maybe not, but sometimes the intention matters the most.

 

[roach]

so here is my question...what happened that now Scott feels that its time to put bodies in the ground???

 

[UraniaChang]

Huh? Sorry, I don't understand what's "put bodies in the ground"? Can you kindly explain it for me?

 

[roach]

Huh? Sorry, I don't understand what's "put bodies in the ground"? Can you kindly explain it for me?

sorry i was trying to be cool....."put bodies in the ground" means to kill people

 

[UraniaChang]

Oh, I thought it couldn't be that simple. XD

Back on topic, I suppose part of him is regret that he needs to resort to this method, which has sidetracked so far from what he once believed in ; but the other part is probably glad that he is the one to pull the trigger and the blood is on his hands.

You know he's paranoid-ly conflicting in that way sometimes, and also sometimes thick as a brick like average guys.

 

[Mad Ones]

He feels it's time kill the X-men's enemies because there are only around 200 left in the world. So if one mutant dies at the hands of some petty villain, than it's a pretty big deal. No mutants are being born, and they can't have mutants dieing, so Scott's doing the best he can to keep mutants alive long enough for M-Day to somehow reverse itself.

The thing I like about Scott is that he always makes decisions, and it isn't his place to be liked. I don't like the death squad either, and can't defend it because I think killing is wrong, but he's making the hard decisions that may or may not benefit mutants (but he believes they will benefit).

 

[Manic]

The X-Men (or rather, Greymalkin Industries) is a deputized nonprofit business that specializes in mutant affairs. The only thing that's stopping the US government from shutting them down is the support of the city-county of San Francisco. The last thing Scott needs is a private squad of assassins. The moment X-Force is discovered, there's a huge risk that Mayor Sinclair could pull out her support, and the Last Action Governor could shut them down.

It's just not practical when your team/business partially depends on public relations. Hell, improved public relations between themselves and humans is one of their goals. If Scott wants the X-Men's enemies dead, he should kill them in the heat of battle when no one will question his motives. Killing in defense of yourselves/the city/the world is easily qualified as self defense non-criminal homicide. What X-Force does is murder, and that makes Scott Summers (head of Greymalkin Industries, the last positive force for good in the mutant community that isn't a private detective agency) a second degree murderer.

 

[roach]

The X-Men (or rather, Greymalkin Industries) is a deputized nonprofit business that specializes in mutant affairs. The only thing that's stopping the US government from shutting them down is the support of the city-county of San Francisco. The last thing Scott needs is a private squad of assassins. The moment X-Force is discovered, there's a huge risk that Mayor Sinclair could pull out her support, and the Last Action Governor could shut them down.

It's just not practical when your team/business partially depends on public relations. Hell, improved public relations between themselves and humans is one of their goals. If Scott wants the X-Men's enemies dead, he should kill them in the heat of battle when no one will question his motives. Killing in defense of yourselves/the city/the world is easily qualified as self defense non-criminal homicide. What X-Force does is murder, and that makes Scott Summers (head of Greymalkin Industries, the last positive force for good in the mutant community that isn't a private detective agency) a second degree murderer.

actually since he probably ordered the murders he'd get a conspiracy to commit murder charge

 

[Manic]

Right. Thanks. I always get my murder definitions mixed up.

 

[SDawg]

So...anyone read book 4? It was great!!! The best one yet.

 

[roach]

but you are right. How long would shield or hammer or screwdriver or whatever its called nowadays let the X-men run unchecked if they knew he had a hit squad