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So...anyone read book 4? It was great!!! The best one yet.
i heard it was...got to get it when i get off work
So...anyone read book 4? It was great!!! The best one yet.
The X-Men (or rather, Greymalkin Industries) is a deputized nonprofit business that specializes in mutant affairs. The only thing that's stopping the US government from shutting them down is the support of the city-county of San Francisco. The last thing Scott needs is a private squad of assassins. The moment X-Force is discovered, there's a huge risk that Mayor Sinclair could pull out her support, and the Last Action Governor could shut them down.
It's just not practical when your team/business partially depends on public relations. Hell, improved public relations between themselves and humans is one of their goals. If Scott wants the X-Men's enemies dead, he should kill them in the heat of battle when no one will question his motives. Killing in defense of yourselves/the city/the world is easily qualified as self defense non-criminal homicide. What X-Force does is murder, and that makes Scott Summers (head of Greymalkin Industries, the last positive force for good in the mutant community that isn't a private detective agency) a second degree murderer.
Right now, trusting the government is exactly what the X-Men are doing, and it's working out just fine. Granted, they're only trusting a few local city governments (San Francisco, Oakland, Marin). The federal government is easily forgetful, stupid, and borderline evil in the Marvel Universe.That touches one of the sensitive points in the mutant/government relationship, the mutants never really trust the government that much. The government will flip on them for one reason or another, so until then, one dead enemy is one less enemy.
It's not like X-Force has killed someone who didn't deserve it, it's better than the passive "slap the bad guys around a bit, then patch them up, wave at them, sit at home for the next attack, and curse the bad guys when they actually come knocking again" routine.
Within the context of the stories, it's Scott's fault. In real life, of course, it's KY's fault. They had the "brilliant" (see: stupid) idea to write a comic about a secret squad of killer X-Men under the familiar (and not entirely inappropriate, considering the original team) name of X-Force. This meant every X-writer was going to have to write a version of Cyclops they could believe was running a secret black ops group. This has led to stories by different writers with Cyclops portrayed at varying levels of *****e bagginess. Guggenheim's Cyclops in Young X-Men was overall decent, but also sneaky and manipulative enough to have an invisible spy he wasn't telling anyone about (Alisa/Cipher). Fraction's Cyclops in Uncanny is openly admitting to the mayor of San Francisco that the X-Men are less like a militia and more like an army. Brubaker's Cyclops during Messiah CompleX was brushing off Charles for his past immoral decisions while simultaneously trying to kill his own son.
Meanwhile, KY themselves are writing stories where Cyclops is aborting X-Force out of missions to rescue children so they can time travel to the future to help Cable, even though the very nature of time travel means they wouldn't have to abort the rescue mission at all.
I dont think its simply KY's fault. This "new" Scott started with Morrison and has been followed through with subsequent writers, like Whedon, Fraction and of course Yost. X-force is just displaying a different side of this darker Scott. Scott pre- New X-men wouldnt have been involved with this team but Ive seen him do alot of things he normally wouldnt have since then. I dont think its too out of character for the person he has become todayWithin the context of the stories, it's Scott's fault. In real life, of course, it's KY's fault. They had the "brilliant" (see: stupid) idea to write a comic about a secret squad of killer X-Men under the familiar (and not entirely inappropriate, considering the original team) name of X-Force. This meant every X-writer was going to have to write a version of Cyclops they could believe was running a secret black ops group. This has led to stories by different writers with Cyclops portrayed at varying levels of *****e bagginess. Guggenheim's Cyclops in Young X-Men was overall decent, but also sneaky and manipulative enough to have an invisible spy he wasn't telling anyone about (Alisa/Cipher). Fraction's Cyclops in Uncanny is openly admitting to the mayor of San Francisco that the X-Men are less like a militia and more like an army. Brubaker's Cyclops during Messiah CompleX was brushing off Charles for his past immoral decisions while simultaneously trying to kill his own son.
well they did. The way the story was written, they only had a limited amount of time to use the time devices. It was either nor or never which resulted in them having to abort their current mission in order to use the devices. Its a moot point anyway, considering they traveled back into the past and ended saving those children anywayMeanwhile, KY themselves are writing stories where Cyclops is aborting X-Force out of missions to rescue children so they can time travel to the future to help Cable, even though the very nature of time travel means they wouldn't have to abort the rescue mission at all.
Within the context of the stories, it's Scott's fault. In real life, of course, it's KY's fault. They had the "brilliant" (see: stupid) idea to write a comic about a secret squad of killer X-Men under the familiar (and not entirely inappropriate, considering the original team) name of X-Force. This meant every X-writer was going to have to write a version of Cyclops they could believe was running a secret black ops group. This has led to stories by different writers with Cyclops portrayed at varying levels of *****e bagginess. Guggenheim's Cyclops in Young X-Men was overall decent, but also sneaky and manipulative enough to have an invisible spy he wasn't telling anyone about (Alisa/Cipher). Fraction's Cyclops in Uncanny is openly admitting to the mayor of San Francisco that the X-Men are less like a militia and more like an army. Brubaker's Cyclops during Messiah CompleX was brushing off Charles for his past immoral decisions while simultaneously trying to kill his own son.
Meanwhile, KY themselves are writing stories where Cyclops is aborting X-Force out of missions to rescue children so they can time travel to the future to help Cable, even though the very nature of time travel means they wouldn't have to abort the rescue mission at all.
This is the best post to sum up everything I hate about Kyle and Yost, yet some people eat that **** up, I face palm everytime I see someone say X-Force is the best X-Men book out right now. It's far from the best book and the talent behind it is seriously lacking.I'm sure K&Y have had some great ideas.
But sometime during the development stage they still revert back to "STAB STAB KILL KILL X-23!!!!11!!!@(#$*@#()"
I'd be willing to be the idea of a black ops squad was only conceived so they could have a book where they axed more people. It's what they love.
What's odd however is if you break Yost away from Kyle, he's actually decent, his recent Storm mini was fun, and his story he's telling on DC'S Red Robin is interesting. It's like Kyle's the one that's all ''DURHHH DURHHH KILL THAT ONE!"
those actually should be parts of their job description. it sounds to me like keep all the writers in check and make sure all stories and characters keep in line with whatever direction they and the company have planned for a particular book.So, what do the editors in Marvel actually do anyway?
They don't edit spelling mistakes, nor coloring ones,...
Haha. That quote in your signature Javi. I can't help but feel that Necrosha won't even come close to the quality that Johns will put into Blackest Night.![]()
hmmmm a Blackest Night was a series that is well thought out and built on years of stories.
Necrosha is made by two guys whos claim to fame is their ability to kill characters without warning
Ah, but there's a difference you see, Johns has some resembelance of talent.Geoff Johns is not exactly a stranger to killing and maiming either judging by his last few years of work.
Ah, but there's a difference you see, Johns has some resembelance of talent.![]()
Exactly.
It would have been better if K&Y admitted the real reason behind Necrosha... Marvel realized that, based on the mortality rate in K&Y comics, there would ZERO mutants left by 2012.
i just put cuz it was funny as hell. the whole room busted out laughing and cheered. i have no preference to either story.Haha. That quote in your signature Javi. I can't help but feel that Necrosha won't even come close to the quality that Johns will put into Blackest Night.![]()