One in the eye for intelligent design

[bell110]

my point is, I just don't feel that humans could have evolved so drastically into the species we are from apes, and if we did, how come we haven't seen evidence of apes continuing to evolve into other species . . . and how come we haven't evolved into something higher on an evolutionary scale?

Apes are a broad type of animal. Humans, gorillas, chimps, and orangutans are all typs of apes. Then you have the lesser apes. They all evolved from a common ancestor yet they are all quite different from each other.

 

[The Lizard]

Then (The Lizard should love this one), the monitor-like lizards that are supposed to have evolved into today's modern snakes at one point lost the eye transitionally only to have it re-developed in modern snakes. Once again, a snake's eye differs physiologically from those of other vertebrates.

Reptilian evolution is so cool.

However, I do get pissed off when people claim that Tyrannosaurus Rex had feathers.

 

[Carcharodon]

Reptilian evolution is so cool.

However, I do get pissed off when people claim that Tyrannosaurus Rex had feathers.

Haha, yeah...that one seems unlikely, especially given the dimensions of T-Rex...then again, the original function of feathers is thought to have been insulation. When you have a large ectothermic (cold-blooded) animal that may have needed to accelerate rapidly...bah, I know very little about dinos.

 

[Sun_Down]

So what does this have to do with intelligent design? Isn't the whole idea of intelligent design that evolution happens but God or someone else is pushing it forward?

 

[Carcharodon]

So what does this have to do with intelligent design? Isn't the whole idea of intelligent design that evolution happens but God or someone else is pushing it forward?

Nope. Intelligent Design is at exact odds with evolutionary theory: every organism on earth was put here directly by an, "intelligent agent."

 

[bell110]

So what does this have to do with intelligent design? Isn't the whole idea of intelligent design that evolution happens but God or someone else is pushing it forward?

"Intelligent Design" is just a thin cover word for the literal explaination in the bible.

 

[SuBe]

Saying apes shouldn't be around is indeed ingnorant, and despite what I wrote in my first post, that wasn't really what I was getting at . . .

in terms of the scope of life on earth, the apparent evolution of man from ape was in the blink of an eye . . . because we don't have the 'missing link'

my point is, I just don't feel that humans could have evolved so drastically into the species we are from apes, and if we did, how come we haven't seen evidence of apes continuing to evolve into other species . . . and how come we haven't evolved into something higher on an evolutionary scale?

something just doesn't make sense . . . every other living animal on earth is in tune with their environment except people, which leads me to believe that we aren't exclusively evolved from one thing of this earth

we came from aliens . . . and by that I mean that I seriously feel the aliens had a hand in creating modern man . . .

Do you not understand how basic Evoulutionary theory works? It takes thousands of generations to produce change. And, we can see it. Look at the Canine Breeds.

 

[Carcharodon]

Do you not understand how basic Evoulutionary theory works? It takes thousands of generations to produce change. And, we can see it. Look at the Canine Breeds.

I'm not sure how they're divided/classified (subspecies?), but they're all the same species (well, the domesticated breeds).

 

[Steve Rogers]

I never understood why where we come from is so important. We are here and we are now. Is there really anything else that you need to know about your existence?

 

[Dope Nose]

 

[kainedamo]

LOL, I love how that comic makes you think "oh no, a propeganda comic" and then it just starts taking the piss.

 

[Gilpesh]

Why does it get hot or cold? Why does fire produce heat instead of cold?

When something is 'on fire' it is actually going through a process known as combustion where the oxygen atoms in something react with a fuel and combine with carbon or hydrogen. This chemical reaction is such a significant one that loads of energy is produced, and with energy comes lots of motion of particles and what-not and temperature is just the slowing down or speeding up of particles so that it lets off or takes in heat. Guess which is which.

The reaction speeds up particles and thus, HEAT is created instead of cold.

Why do living organisms evolve at all?

Random mutations in DNA that eventually prove either useful or not. When it is useful, the organism slowly becomes more and more prominent in nature until it takes over and the older less adapted organism dies out.

Why does it get hot or cold?

Said it earlier. When particles move faster = heat. When they move slower = cold.

Why does gravity exist?

Look that one up yourself. But I do remember something about how everything has a draw to another but when the mass difference gets great enough, you actually feel it and get gravity.




But really. God and Science do not mix. Especially because with science there is the scientific method where you start with a question and slowly test until you come across the answer and with religion, the answer is God and you slowly twist until the answer is God. Now you could say God created science to then create the universe (because they can both co-exist) but there is no way that anyone will or should take you serious when you start saying God for reasons that things happen in science. That's just wrong.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Funny. I like it, nice twist at the end.

 

[JTIZZLEVILLE]

I'm with the group that believes that evolution is real, but why can't we be created by God and then evolve? I mean, we change a lot depending on our circumstances.

I just got done taking an Astronomy class which only opened up more questions and made me believe more in a divine creator. We all know that Earth is in the perfect position for life. We are called the "exception" but we were basically in the right place at the right time in the right conditions for intelligent life. Yet, astronomers look at how our world works to determine how the universe works.

That's a hole. Let's look at the exception to determine the rule.

Also the fact that our entire universe evidently formed from intersteller clouds like how stars form. But now one is sure how those clouds got here. And the fact that our universe is expanding, so it isn't infinite. What is out there beyond the walls of our universe?

And also the fact that there is "dark matter" in space that is effecting how everything works. For those that don't know, dark matter is something out in space that effects the gravity on stars and it makes up 96% of the universe. That's right! We only know about 4% of what is out there.

Something made things happen the way they do. I don't believe that out of the trillions of stars and galaxies in space, and the billions of planets that there is one that is in the perfect condition to produce intelligent.

And this happened by chance?

I don't think so.

 

[Winter Spleen]

I'm always a little confused by "god" arguments. Our reality is very complex, and many people believe this infers the existence of a divine creator. But a source that is powerful and intelligent enough to create our universe would be infinitely more complex than anything we have knowledge of, and so I don't understand why people are so willing to accept the arbitrary existence of a cosmic entity but can't accept the existence of this world. It begs the question who created the creator? Also, almost all conceptions of an intelligent designer are somewhat personified and obviously biased by our culture and egocentric personalities. In fact, the limit to our imaginations is apparent by the fact that we have such a hard time grappling with the beginning of existence, when we have no reason to believe there was a point of birth for our reality. It could have always been here, and will always be, in some shape or form. I honestly don't believe we can overcome the constructs of our brain to advance such answers, and so it's much more reasonable to accept what we can prove and not jump to any specious, implausible conclusions.

 

[bullets]

i believe that would be the case if god did exist he would be too complex to understand and the human mind would not be capable of finding the answers.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

I believe in a thing called love

 

[bell110]

Poor Keith

 

[Dope Nose]

I love when he breaks the fourth wall at the bottom of the third page.

 

[Sandman138]

Hey, Wall Crawler, what do you think of the theory that human beings are actually neotenous apes?

 

[sithgoblin]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that scientists theorised time or spacial time as it is most commonly called was created after the "Big Bang" Space & time are considered a single construct and the probability of one existing without the other is impossible. I think they call this hypothesis... " Relativistic " theory of time, which ties time to the velocity of an object with the speed of light principles and how gravity distorts and slows down time.

So when we say we don't know where the Big Bang came from, we're applying poor interpretation to a theory that cannot support this notion.

There cannot be a place the Big Bang came from because that would imply space and time existed before it was created. I beleive from what I remember of this the singularity from which this universe was created could not support time or space.

So maybe there was nothing before our universe sprung to life, no time, no space, nothing.

Scrap that last line...there is no such thing as before our universe.

Unless the Big Bang/Big Crunch Cycle theory turns out to be true, and there was another universe before ours.

 

[sithgoblin]

I believe in evolution to a certain extent . . . but I also believe in a higher power; I'll tell you this much; I don't think people evolved from apes, that's for damn sure . . . we're too drastically different . . . and if people evolved from apes, why would apes still be around they would have no purpose in the evolutionary food chain . . . .

now, people evolving from apes because aliens came and spliced ape DNA with theirs, that's a different story

We didn't evolve from apes. Apes and Humans evolved from the same ancestor.

 

[Gilpesh]

Funny. I like it, nice twist at the end.

I didn't want to get dragged into a theological debate. So I just had to say that Religion and Science are apples and oranges. That's why people hate intelligent design. It is a blatant offense of the rules of science and therefore should not be taught in a classroom for 'equal coverage' in a science class.

 

[jks]

why? please . . . 'educate' me

I was just expressing my personal opinions, anyway . . . I wasn't really trying to have a debate about the scientific implications of evolution . . .

I'm just saying if I were mother nature, and there was such a thing as evolution, why would I keep a lesser life form around if it 'evolved' into something 'better'?

some peoples have larger hearts, to pump more oxygen into their blood because they live in higher altitudes, etc., etc., I can see people evolving in those lesser degrees, but to think a completely different species evolved from apes in the blink of an eye in a historical sense just doesn't seem to make sense . . .

Well for starters if you had any clue as to the theory of evolution, you'd know that NOWHERE does it say humans evolved from apes. The theory states that the apes and humans share a common ancestor. Your understanding [or lack thereof] the theory is equivilant to saying your cousin is also your great-grandfather.

 

[Carcharodon]

Hey, Wall Crawler, what do you think of the theory that human beings are actually neotenous apes?

What, beginning as altricial and not undergoing change? I'm not sure neoteny can apply without a larval stage.

I'd be interested to hear more, though...I've always heard that neoteny played a huge role in the development of modern chordates (i.e., going from cessile sea-squirts to a permanent, sexually mature larval form).