Comics One More Day Discussion Thread

[DACrowe]

Well I liked how Peter gave Iron Man a whopping, but other than that the issue was blah.

He whined too much. He just came off as whiney and stupid. And it got to the point that Iron Man for the first time since before Civil WAr came off as the sympathetic one where Peter just came off as a prick. Peter was cool in BIB to an extent, but here hw as just boring.

MJ had nothing to do and the art style itself with Joey Q drawing makes me dislike this even more. He obviously doens't care for the marriage and as this story will likely dissolve it the couple are written as bland and are drawn even moreso.

Speaking of art, the Peter Parker art is attroticous. As is MJ. In fact only Iron Man looked good. Again, weird.

Bad art, bad writing, bad characterization.

We're only 1/4 through and the story already sucks. Even Sins Past didn't fall apart this quickly.

 

[DACrowe]

Has anyone noticed how Peter, MJ, May, etc. no longer act like characters for the most part in the 616 universe? Really right around the time of the Clone Saga where they were trying to reach their ulterior motives (erasing Peter and MJ and supplanting Ben as the real Spider-Man) the character felt fake. Then when JMS began for the first time in years he felt real, which between that and the very real-feeling style of Paul Jenkins the books were selling hotly again.

But then came when Jenkins left and JRjr left and beginning with Sins Past and all these "arcs," the storylines feel all contrived and so plot driven character's perspectives and personalities change with the wind to suit the current storyline and "Event" at hand.

This story is the epitomy of that. Aunt May's death in ASM #400 felt real. This feels so manufactured that it makes soap operas feel natural.

Bad storytelling.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

We're trapped in The Matrix and none of this is real.

 

[antonydelfini]

Peter said this in amazing 544: '' the problem is that we don't have any money, and we need some fast. so i'll get it one way or another. i'm a criminal already, so what difference does it make?''

Does this mean Peter is capable of stealing money? I know his aunt is in grave danger, but what makes superheroes really inspiring is their ability to resist doing evil stuff even when facing big problems. That's what Jesus, superman, and even matt murdock would say.Even I wouldnt do crimes if my mom is dying (even if it is because of me), w/c means im stronger morally than the Peter portrayed in JMS' story. And i don't like that, Peter is a very moral guy in my opinion. Yes, Peter makes mistakes, but not like this, not to the point that he'll want to kill someone (Back in Black) and do whatever it takes or sell his soul to save aunt may(One More Day).

 

[Captivated]

Peter said this in amazing 544: '' the problem is that we don't have any money, and we need some fast. so i'll get it one way or another. i'm a criminal already, so what difference does it make?''

Does this mean Peter is capable of stealing money? I know his aunt is in grave danger, but what makes superheroes really inspiring is their ability to resist doing evil stuff even when facing big problems. That's what Jesus, superman, and even matt murdock would say.Even I wouldnt do crimes if my mom is dying (even if it is because of me), w/c means im stronger morally than the Peter portrayed in JMS' story. And i don't like that, Peter is a very moral guy in my opinion. Yes, Peter makes mistakes, but not like this, not to the point that he'll want to kill someone (Back in Black) and do whatever it takes or sell his soul to save aunt may(One More Day).

Peter has threatened... or "thought" about deviating from the path of "righteousness" before, but he always holds onto to his principles in the end, which is part of what makes him "real" and inspiring at the same time.

They screw that up and the character is NOT enhanced... (remember the "this makes Gwen more human" crock of BS?)... it is LOST.

 

[Kevin]

But it did make her more human. In fact, it actually got me to like her.

 

[Captivated]

But it did make her more human. In fact, it actually got me to like her.

Kid.

You're either being sarcastic...

Or pretty pathetic.

 

[Kevin]

Kid.

You're either being sarcastic...

Or pretty pathetic.

Think what you need to think, don't really care. Gwen was always a boring character to me. That, in my eyes, made her way less boring.

 

[shinlyle]

Think what you need to think, don't really care. Gwen was always a boring character to me. That, in my eyes, made her way less boring.

So....being ****ty makes a woman less boring?

Gwen wasn't the msot interesting character, but making her into a **** off-panel 20 years ago isn't "making her interesting"...it's stupid. Not to mention the storyline didn't even come close to fitting into continuity.

 

[Dangerous]

I never found Gwen boring, she was the greatest. She was pretty hardcore in my book- she did not let anyone insult Peter.

MJ was just being a **** or party girl to forget about her family life and make people like her. Not that I have anything against MJ either.

 

[Kevin]

So....being ****ty makes a woman less boring?

Gwen wasn't the msot interesting character, but making her into a **** off-panel 20 years ago isn't "making her interesting"...it's stupid. Not to mention the storyline didn't even come close to fitting into continuity.

****ty would mean she threw herself at everyone at everytime. She made a mistake. And if I always paid attention or cared about every story that didn't "fit into continuity" I wouldn't read a lot of comics. They gave us a timeframe, I accepted it. I didn't over think it, I accepted it. I can Accept a lot of things, as long as It told a story I can accept. I accepted sin past as it was, and the ONLY thing I didn't accept was MJ lying to Peter.

I'm sorry if you have to have everything in a perfect little package, that everything has to fit your needs, but people liked Sins Past. People hated Gwen before sins past, and people liked sins past because it made her seem more human. Whether you see that or not is no ones fault, you just don't see it. It's a fact. Not everyone thought it was a god awful story, and people like me who did like it are not wrong. We just accept it for many reasons that we choose to.

Do I understand why people hated it? Off course I do, but that doesn't change the fact that your dislike is just a feeling that you and others, well, feel. Do you know how I'd feel if they got Rid od MJ during OMD? I wouldn't like it at all, but I'm still going to be here. And honestly, if they did get rid of Mj I'd be happy, because it shows that anything can happen in comics. ANYTHING. they can kill Gwen and have her have kids with norman. That they can kill aunt may, then tell us that it really wasn't her who died, then years later shoot her in the gut. They can give peter a clone and, well, you get my point. And if you don't, I'm saying that they have the right to do what they want with any character they choose, just like you have the right to not buy what you don't like.

 

[luke1234]

I never found Gwen boring, she was the greatest. She was pretty hardcore in my book- she did not let anyone insult Peter.

MJ was just being a **** or party girl to forget about her family life and make people like her. Not that I have anything against MJ either.

i do agree that gwen had a little more spark then mj even though i love both and i hate what one more day is doing to pete and mj

 

[Kevin]

I never found Gwen boring, she was the greatest. She was pretty hardcore in my book- she did not let anyone insult Peter.

MJ was just being a **** or party girl to forget about her family life and make people like her. Not that I have anything against MJ either.

And that's ok, but I'm sure some people disliked Gwen in the 60's-70's for many reasons, just as I am sure some people dislike MJ now. That's how people are, they're opinions differ and that's ok.

No one is is wrong on how they feel about a character and how they are characterized.

 

[shinlyle]

****ty would mean she threw herself at everyone at everytime. She made a mistake. And if I always paid attention or cared about every story that didn't "fit into continuity" I wouldn't read a lot of comics. They gave us a timeframe, I accepted it. I didn't over think it, I accepted it. I can Accept a lot of things, as long as It told a story I can accept. I accepted sin past as it was, and the ONLY thing I didn't accept was MJ lying to Peter.

I'm sorry if you have to have everything in a perfect little package, that everything has to fit your needs, but people liked Sins Past. People hated Gwen before sins past, and people liked sins past because it made her seem more human. Whether you see that or not is no ones fault, you just don't see it. It's a fact. Not everyone thought it was a god awful story, and people like me who did like it are not wrong. We just accept it for many reasons that we choose to.

Do I understand why people hated it? Off course I do, but that doesn't change the fact that your dislike is just a feeling that you and others, well, feel. Do you know how I'd feel if they got Rid od MJ during OMD? I wouldn't like it at all, but I'm still going to be here. And honestly, if they did get rid of Mj I'd be happy, because it shows that anything can happen in comics. ANYTHING. they can kill Gwen and have her have kids with norman. That they can kill aunt may, then tell us that it really wasn't her who died, then years later shoot her in the gut. They can give peter a clone and, well, you get my point. And if you don't, I'm saying that they have the right to do what they want with any character they choose, just like you have the right to not buy what you don't like.

People liked Sins Past? That's news right there.

As for the "****ty" thing...you and I have different versions of ****ty. I think a girl tha tMIGHT be 20 throwing herself at a 45 to 50 year old man who is the father of one of her close friends is about as "****ty" as it gets....especially when it's behind her boyfriend's back. Yeah. Pretty ****t, IMHO. Was it a mistake, sure....but it's still ****ty.

If you like Sins Past, that's fine. You don't need things to fit into continuity, that's fine. I like a little more substance and time put into the stories I read. I'm not into the whole "It's this way because I say it is despite what originally happened" thing.

 

[Kevin]

People liked Sins Past? That's news right there.

As for the "****ty" thing...you and I have different versions of ****ty. I think a girl tha tMIGHT be 20 throwing herself at a 45 to 50 year old man who is the father of one of her close friends is about as "****ty" as it gets....especially when it's behind her boyfriend's back. Yeah. Pretty ****t, IMHO. Was it a mistake, sure....but it's still ****ty.

If you like Sins Past, that's fine. You don't need things to fit into continuity, that's fine. I like a little more substance and time put into the stories I read. I'm not into the whole "It's this way because I say it is despite what originally happened" thing.

And all of that is perfectly fine. What we've proven is that we are two very different people who happen to like the same characters for very different reasons, i'm sure. Doesn't make either of us wrong, just differen't.

 

[Dangerous]

No one is is wrong on how they feel about a character and how they are characterized.

Unless, they are characterized wrong in the comic. Then the reader would be wrong to think they are reading an accurate take of that character.

 

[Kevin]

Unless, they are characterized wrong in the comic. Then the reader would be wrong to think they are reading an accurate take of that character.

Again, no. People jumped into spider-man in very different ways at ddiffernt times. Movies, TV, comics. Peter is different to everyone, even if they were reading a comics in the samre era. You may see peter as the lovable guy who loves his aunt and and tries to make up for his uncle and protects his friends. I can see him as a loser who can't grow up, and a liar who puts everyone in danger.

Everyone, from the same point of view, see characters in differet ways for the smallest reasons sometimes, and they can feel that the characters are characterized perfectly fine. (Same Poimt of view, different train of mind.) And anyway, there is no "characterized incorrectly or correctly," just characterized the way you pefer and/or way you've always personally seen. (Again, people see peter in different ways)

 

[farmernudie]

While i can find enjoyment in knowing "anything" can happen in a Spidey comic....(and that this is good).....

But at the same time.... "anything" should not always be written in.

Sometimes, people need to show restraint around the brainstorming table, because while it may be "exciting" to have some really "out there" ideas thrown into Spidey-world....not all the ideas make sense....or they may only make sense if you really force them into place.

Sometimes, imo, i feel like JQ and others have taken puzzle pieces that would not normally fit into the last piece of the puzzle, and violently HAMMERED THEM IN to MAKE them fit.
(how i'd feel if they DO seperate PEte and MJ...it'd be VERY forced...and feel like it was JQ's personal CRUSADE or AGENDA....not a story...)

Spidey is my favorite comic, has been from the get-go, and I always want to be around, collecting it...but there are times i've had to totally step away (Clone Saga, Sins Past) shaking my head...while there are other times i grinned and beared it (The Other)...even tho that wasn't "great" either. It just didn't reach the level of revolting as other stuff had.

Side note: I might add i can find the Clone Saga semi interesting nowa-days, as i am more detached...but i still find it both hilarious and insulting that Marvel tried telling us fans the guy we read for all those years was the fake. (clone).

This is quite similar in the way that I now enjoy watching X-Files Season 8 and 9 with my wife, yet when it first came out, we were both not able to get over the fact that Mulder was not there. They are still not my favorite seasons, and they clearly pale in comparison to having Mulder and Scully (the real deals)....but i can like them now.

So, while i can find stuff to "like" in hindsight relating to the clone saga....Sins Past was just.....garbage...imo....but i am fine for those that liked it. I feel however that it in no way featured the Gwen i grew up reading. Sure, writers can write down words and actions to any character...but it doesn't mean they would "really" (haha) do or say that.

Same with the unmasking...sure MJ and Aunt May were written to say ..."Yes, i support you to unmask to the world Pete"...doesn't mean i read those lines and didn't laugh out loud at how ludicrous they were and how the whole scenario was clearly forced to gain momentum (and free publicity) for an event called civil war. Aunt May and MJ know that this would be unwise and dangerous and foolish. No matter where they lived at the time. Things have gotten hairy enough at times with the whole world crashing in on them WITHOUT everyone having full knowledge of Pete's identity, they (MJ and MAy)darn well KNOW that from their past.

Again, as i've said before...JQ gets credit from an advertising standpoint, he drummed up lots of publicity for his company and storyline. Brilliant. Did he do it while respecting this great character and Pete's history. Not at all. IMO.

 

[freemadison]

Again, no. People jumped into spider-man in very different ways at ddiffernt times. Movies, TV, comics. Peter is different to everyone, even if they were reading a comics in the samre era. You may see peter as the lovable guy who loves his aunt and and tries to make up for his uncle and protects his friends. I can see him as a loser who can't grow up, and a liar who puts everyone in danger.

Everyone, from the same point of view, see characters in differet ways for the smallest reasons sometimes, and they can feel that the characters are characterized perfectly fine. (Same Poimt of view, different train of mind.) And anyway, there is no "characterized incorrectly or correctly," just characterized the way you pefer and/or way you've always personally seen. (Again, people see peter in different ways)

You have earned my respect. Let's be friends!

 

[Kevin]

Hey, I'm cool with everyone. I just try to point out that not everyone feels the same about spider-man at times.

 

[USMC]

****ty would mean she threw herself at everyone at everytime. She made a mistake. And if I always paid attention or cared about every story that didn't "fit into continuity" I wouldn't read a lot of comics. They gave us a timeframe, I accepted it. I didn't over think it, I accepted it. I can Accept a lot of things, as long as It told a story I can accept. I accepted sin past as it was, and the ONLY thing I didn't accept was MJ lying to Peter.

I'm sorry if you have to have everything in a perfect little package, that everything has to fit your needs, but people liked Sins Past. People hated Gwen before sins past, and people liked sins past because it made her seem more human. Whether you see that or not is no ones fault, you just don't see it. It's a fact. Not everyone thought it was a god awful story, and people like me who did like it are not wrong. We just accept it for many reasons that we choose to.

Do I understand why people hated it? Off course I do, but that doesn't change the fact that your dislike is just a feeling that you and others, well, feel. Do you know how I'd feel if they got Rid od MJ during OMD? I wouldn't like it at all, but I'm still going to be here. And honestly, if they did get rid of Mj I'd be happy, because it shows that anything can happen in comics. ANYTHING. they can kill Gwen and have her have kids with norman. That they can kill aunt may, then tell us that it really wasn't her who died, then years later shoot her in the gut. They can give peter a clone and, well, you get my point. And if you don't, I'm saying that they have the right to do what they want with any character they choose, just like you have the right to not buy what you don't like.

Wow, CB, what a liberal crock of ****. Sometimes (quite often, actually) there are situations that ARE black and white and right and wrong.

And you're wrong.

Sorry dude. But hey, don't get mad, cause my opinion is different. heh.

 

[Kevin]

Your opinion is different and I'm not mad. And it's perfectly ok that you feel I'm wrong. There's nothing wrong with you disagreeing with me.

 

[USMC]

Your opinion is different and I'm not mad. And it's perfectly ok that you feel I'm wrong. There's nothing wrong with you disagreeing with me.

I know there isn't.

I like ya, CB, but reading your posts make me laugh cause it just sounds so "bleeding heart, everyone is right, no one can ever be wrong, liberal" crap! If my kid grew up to be that way, I'd knock is ****in head off. :heart:

No offense, of course.

 

[Kevin]

None taken, but not everything in life is black and white, and I can never see anyone's opinion as right or wrong, no matter how much I disagree. And that's mostly because I can see or/and understand both sides.

 

[USMC]

Good luck navigating the real world with that philosophy.

Nite, CB. :heart: