Comics One More Day Discussion Thread

[stillanerd]

I didn't give in to the spoilers but the genius who decided to say, "It's what we suspected all along..." before the spoilers should be shot with a 12 gauge shotgun and then have his corpse desecrated by angry monkeys. Seriously. It should happen.

Well, not to spoil anything, but quite a lot of people had a very good idea what the basic premise of the story of "One More Day" was going to be, even though they may have gotten the specific details wrong, much like many people realized that "The Other" was essentially "Spider-Man battles Morlun, dies, and then comes back to life with new powers" but didn't know very little detail that causes or leads up to these events. All I can say is that it's the same case here with "One More Day."

 

[Sloth7d]

Anyone else hoping they atleast bring back the web-shooters?

 

[Dangerous]

I think that's a given.

 

[Sloth7d]

I don't know. Joey Q might want Peter's powers to continue resembling the movie. Just look at the gimmicky gimmick that is B&B. Anything that happens in the movies, Joey Q wants to have identical in the comics.

 

[mre]

SIAT- let me ask you something- do you not care or feel cheated that perhaps the last 20 years of continuity and comics are about to be wiped? Do you not think it sucks that JQ seems unable to let PP age past 25?

Maybe he's right to keep him young though. I read somewhere Ditko really stressed that Peter should never graduate highschool. I mean, look around. The Simpsons have been around for 18 years. Yet Maggie Simpson is still a baby.

 

[Spidergurl4302]

IMO I much prefer a Peter that ages. The Simpsons are completely different. It's just a comedy. Someone doesn't watch the Simpsons for a great story or great characterization. They watch it for a good laugh and it delivers. But most readers want to see Peter's life. See him go through the different stages of life like college, marriage, and children. To make him stay one age forever, sooner or later the storylines might start to feel repetitive and redundant.

 

[Dangerous]

Yup, Ditko was wrong, the Peter Pan thing is totally lame.

 

[Dangerous]

I don't know. Joey Q might want Peter's powers to continue resembling the movie. Just look at the gimmicky gimmick that is B&B. Anything that happens in the movies, Joey Q wants to have identical in the comics.

Oh yeah, forgot about that other problem of his for a sec.
I was just going on the assumption of the 20 year ret con thing..

 

[Redwoods Wolf]

So basically, Spider-Man has now splintered off into his own little parallel universe of altered continuity. (At least, I assume so, if they are erasing 20 years of history--or is this a time travel thing? In which case, same, only more so) Brilliant. Joe Q. has no idea how much work he has just made for himself.

On the other hand, it's just going to make me all the more excited when the next editor in chief laughs all this crap away and takes the job seriously again.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Read my post again- I said 'perhaps' NOT definately.

I see, I did not quite understand what you were getting at in that part.

Heheh, I can deal w/ your opinion fine.
Maybe some others here can't, but I can. I just wanted to know how you would feel IF this possible 20 year ret con does happen. That, and what you would then think about JQ not being able to let PP age past his mid twenties.

Are you going to share your thoughts on this, or do I have to sing for it?

So, there is supposedly going to be a 20 year retcon? And who would believe a rumor like that? If they retconned 20 years of Spider-Man comics then they would have to retcon 20 years of the entire Marvel Universe because nobody's storylines would make sense. But this, however, is a comic book and everything is imaginary so I guess they can do whatever they feel like doing.

Well, if Peter doesn't age past his mid-twenties I don't really care, hahaha. Why not keep the guy around a certain age for a while? Look how long Peter Parker has been in high school over in Ultimate Spider-Man and those stories are always good to great, at least in my opinion. Peter Parker is a fictional character and you can do whatever you want with the characters. Whether Quesada ages him at a normal rate or keeps him at the tender age of 25 to 29 it's not really going to matter. What really matters is that the writers and artists sit down and do good stories. If he's in his mid-twenties still, So what? Keep up the good storytelling and you don't have to worry about aging a character. And the same can be said for aging him. If you age him...make the stories solid and if they are it doesn't matter whether or not he's aging.

It's not like Peter Parker really exists, you know? I don't think he's going to be complaining anytime soon about how a fat guy named Joe who basically divorces him and keeps him at 25. Do you know how many people on planet Earth would love to be kept 25 forever? HA! It's like a dream come true.

 

[Themanofbat]

Ever since some big JMS reveal came out, I now have to avoid these threads, and the one in the Marvel comics forums for about a month.

 

[farmernudie]

Keeping Spider-Man young (at 25 or any age) is kinda silly to me personally.

Progression (slowed, not real time) makes the character more relatable.

If Pete had never graduated high school, went to college, gotten a job, dated, gotten married...etc...i prolly wouldn't have stuck with him nor would have many other fans who kinda "grew up" with him.

And now, instead of wanting to portray Pete in a good marriage & continuing his "normal path in life"....JQ has been adament in wanting to make Pete "young and hip again", "stuck in love triangles",...all to help draw in "young kids".

But that seems to me why we have a choice in "USM". I read it too, and it is good sometimes...but i don't want regular world Pete regressed now also...for the sake of earning 10 new little kids yet losing the majority of the fans that have always been there buying it.

I feel bad for Pete, and his Aunt being ill, deathly, etc...like she has been in many scenarios over the years. Yes, Pete has always worried greatly about his aunt.

However, to force a storyline to save her from death, resulting in ending the marriage so the Parkers don't know they're married anymore, is just a new way for JQ to try and get Pete single again. AND, JUST BECAUSE THEY DON"T KNOW THEY"RE MARRIED DOESN"T MEAN THEY ARE NOT. That is a major point.. i don't want to see a mindwiped Parker DATING anyone else...oy yoy yoy. It'll FEEL wrong...because i'll still KNOW they're MARRIED whether Marvel mentions it or not.

And they'll lose MANY MANY fans by doing so. I know JQ is banking on the fact that some fans are gonna be oblvious to his agenda & not care since he makes big anouncements to devert their attention to the bologna he is cranking out. Some fans will be too mesmerized with the title/wording of AMAZING 3X slapped on their covers & the special ARC art teams announcements he'll continue to promote...thus taking attention away from the story >ahem< agenda. (I might add, I like some of these announcements too, but i want them writing and drawing good stuff, not bound and chained to promote an agenda.)

Some will think the "Story" is swell and will keep reading. That is fine too. Everyone has their right to like whatever.

But for me, I see it as silly/unwise to TAMPER with time and reality, forsake your wife and life and EVERYTHING, for a dying OLD women who has lived her life...even if it IS AUNT MAY, whom I have the greatest respect for as a character. Where is Pete's respect for his WIFE in this scenario tho???? His marriage? Why do the writers have no respect for marriage and only disdain for it? (as in the Wizard Interview?) There is SO much great stuff they COULD do with it.
I know some will say, as they've pointed out in "preview spoilers", that MJ will be IN on this "tough" decision. HA, that is a hilarious statement. Yes, any character in any medium can be written any way... to force ahead an agenda.

SIAT: It's not like Peter Parker really exists, you know? I don't think he's going to be complaining anytime soon about how a fat guy named Joe who basically divorces him and keeps him at 25. Do you know how many people on planet Earth would love to be kept 25 forever? HA! It's like a dream come true.

I personally would HATE to be 25 forever, if you truly think about the ramifications...! And at any rate, my 30's so far are much better!! t:

Nor, would i want to read about Pete being 25 forever. Relationships and everything else for that matter in that scenario would be futile and pointless. Everything would be frozen in time, per say...WITHOUT PROGRESSION.

 

[USMC]

OK, what exactly does that mean?- Not much as far as I can make out.
'Peter is a ***** blah blah' I get it, and yes he has been written as being weaker than he actually is durring JMS' horrible run, but this is Aunt May's life we are talking about. You might not like her that much, but guess what?- she is pretty important to Peter Parker.

Right, so 'everyone' has been responsible for the death of their father figure, and then years later have been on the verge of being responsible for the imminent demise of their other parent figure? 'Things' as you say, are not quite on the same level.

Er.. yeah good one. You seem to have a good understanding of PP (sarcasm).

I hate JMS and JQ as much as the next poster here. I also think ASM since #509 has been one disaster after the next. However, despite the seemingly inevitable and deplorable outcome of OMD, the fact is that PP doing anything to save May under these circumstances IS in-character.

You don't like that, then you don't like who PP/SM is.

I know exactly who Peter Parker is, my friend. In my opinion, his character has been **** on repeatedly in the last few years.

Sorry if you see it different, but that's your right to do so.

Your "explanations" as to why Peter's direction in the story is A-OK and in character are fine... for YOU. I've given up buying this trash a long time ago. (although I did pick up OMD part 1 to give it a chance. My mistake.)

And Peter deciding Aunt May over MJ? There is NO explanation that would ever make sense for that.

 

[Dangerous]

Yeah, Peter is now roughly 26-29, but for him to go back and be stuck at 25 forever, or more like 19 is just crap.

Kids won't buy ASM any more than the present rate, just because PP is a few years younger.
Killing the marriage sucks big time, but (and I guess this is all 'if' right now) freezing PP at one age is just so unappealing and unrelatable. JQ just seems to think that success for ASM is getting it as close to the movies or USM as possible, but those things are just imitations, not the real thing. He is such a dickweed, I wish someone would bi*ch slap him.

Of course PP has never aged in realtime, but you can go on TMOB's 50 x issues = one Parker year, then you can see that he has aged.

 

[Dangerous]

I know exactly who Peter Parker is, my friend. In my opinion, his character has been **** on repeatedly in the last few years.

Sorry if you see it different, but that's your right to do so.

Your "explanations" as to why Peter's direction in the story is A-OK and in character are fine... for YOU. I've given up buying this trash a long time ago. (although I did pick up OMD part 1 to give it a chance. My mistake.)

And Peter deciding Aunt May over MJ? There is NO explanation that would ever make sense for that.

Fair enough.
I too think PP's character has been inaccurately portrayed over the last couple of years in quite a few situations.

As for PP doing anything to save May's life, and even choosing to save her over his marriage- that does make sense considering Peter is responsible for her condition. If it were both MJ and May in comas on deaths door from his errors, maybe it would be different.

 

[farmernudie]

Dangerous: As for PP doing anything to save May's life, and even choosing to save her over his marriage- that does make sense considering Peter is responsible for her condition. If it were both MJ and May in comas on deaths door from his errors, maybe it would be different.

I understand Pete wanting to do ALMOST anything to save his Aunt...but NOT "anything".

The thing is...i'd argue, the unmasking is what caused this problem. It was a big event (Civil War) that featured Pete out of character to begin with. (unmasking).

And as JQ points out in his latest interview (see that thread)...this ALL has been planned out in steps thru-out all these events and arcs....leading up to this OMD. He says the unmasking and other stuff all were points that needed to be hit to get us where they're going now with OMD.

So, imo, it IS out of character for Pete to do "anything" to save his aunt in this particular dilemma of hers (how many times HAS she been at deaths door possibly...lol...??..) because the entire thing has been a progression to achieve an end result of the marriage being broken up without having a divorce or widower, as JQ has put it. (which would age Pete he says) JQ has had a vision and goal in mind the entire time, it has been very public and no secret.

So, while Pete does indeed love his aunt and would prolly do almost anything for her in a typical storyline over the years....but what we're going thru in Spidey-Land right now doesn't have the feel of a typical storyline. (many of the recent arcs haven't). They are all parts of a whole LEADING TO A MARRIAGE BREAK UP.

Instead, we're all seeing an even more whiney Pete being set up to most likely be forced to make a mystical timesweeping mindwiping decision to save his aunt and GIVE UP EVERYTHING ELSE that is ALSO DEAR TO HIM.
JQ has set it up..either your AUNT or your MARRIAGE. And we all KNOW he doesn't WANT the marriage.

I hope this explains why i personally, any way, feel it is out of character for Pete in this one instance. In fact, it is gonna kind of make him look selfish and like a heel to stretch out aunt may's life this way at the expense of his wife and their life together, so that aunt may can just die next year....not to be mean, but she IS old.

Even more so, can Pete or anyone save their loved ones now at Marvel under JQ by going this route...?...so....Anyone with a wife can barter her and her "knowledge of marriage" in exchange for old lady immortality??
Sarcastic but serious point.

 

[KangConquers]

I'd honestly much rather see May Parker croak than the marriage end.

 

[nick_horror]

Best thing Quesada ever did: Ultimate (fill-in-the-blank). Revamping the univerise in the new millennium was brilliant and got young readers interested in the old characters.

Worst thing Quesada ever did: Screw with Spidey/kill Cap/Civil War. The disintegration of beloved characters is a no-no, and especailly turning them on each other. There was never good blood between all of them, but Civil War was just wrong.

 

[mre]

And Peter deciding Aunt May over MJ? There is NO explanation that would ever make sense for that.

Ever thought that Peter also believes that ending the marriage will also put MJ out of harms way as well? I mean, his aunt just got shot because of Spider-Man. Do you think Peter wants that to happen to MJ as well?

 

[USMC]

Fair enough.
I too think PP's character has been inaccurately portrayed over the last couple of years in quite a few situations.

As for PP doing anything to save May's life, and even choosing to save her over his marriage- that does make sense considering Peter is responsible for her condition. If it were both MJ and May in comas on deaths door from his errors, maybe it would be different.

Yeah, I guess we at least agree on the main points...

Plus I don't believe Peter is responsible for May's decision, simply because JMS and JQ wrote the stories for Peter to behave in ways that he normally wouldn't have. So I'm not going to lay the responsibility of May's condition on Peter. That responsibility lies with Marvel.

JQ could learn a little something about Great Power needing Great Responsibility. Know what I'm sayin'?

 

[USMC]

Ever thought that Peter also believes that ending the marriage will also put MJ out of harms way as well? I mean, his aunt just got shot because of Spider-Man. Do you think Peter wants that to happen to MJ as well?

If they wrote that into the storyline, then maybe it would be a valid point (but not really, since Peter has been written out of character for some time now.)

But since we haven't "read" those kinds of thoughts from Peter, then I'm not going to make the assumption. He only seems to care about May's welfare now... not MJ's. And he certainly didn't give a damn about either one of their safety when he took off that mask, now did he?

Every storyline after Morlun has been contrived and forced to get to this point in time: the end of the marriage. :heart:

 

[SpideyInATree]

I personally would HATE to be 25 forever, if you truly think about the ramifications...! And at any rate, my 30's so far are much better!! t:

Nor, would i want to read about Pete being 25 forever. Relationships and everything else for that matter in that scenario would be futile and pointless. Everything would be frozen in time, per say...WITHOUT PROGRESSION.

Well, when your in your forties we'll see if you change your mind. Heh.

But I see what you're saying. And, as I said, depending on the writing it could be futile and pointless. But also if you've got a solid writing team and people willing to put some thought into things...whether he stays at 25 or not would be irrelevant because you're no longer thinking, "Oh, he's still 25". You're thinking, "God damn this story is awesome". But that's up to Marvel at this point.

I don't remember what poster it was but they brought up The Simpsons. Bart, Lisa, and Maggie have not aged ONE BIT in that show and it's still as popular and watched as it was when it was first released. Why? Because it's GOOD. The same could be done with ANY comic book character it's just up to the head honchos what will be done.

We all know how the comic book industry is. Right now Quesada is in charge and he sees things one way. Now who is to say that five years down the road we don't get a change in leadership and all of a sudden we go back in a different direction.

In my opinion, the character can stay 25 and there can be good storytelling. But I do see your point about progression.

 

[Themanofbat]

Stop talking....

 

[farmernudie]

SIAT: Well, when your in your forties we'll see if you change your mind. Heh.

But I see what you're saying. And, as I said, depending on the writing it could be futile and pointless. But also if you've got a solid writing team and people willing to put some thought into things...whether he stays at 25 or not would be irrelevant because you're no longer thinking, "Oh, he's still 25". You're thinking, "God damn this story is awesome". But that's up to Marvel at this point.

I don't remember what poster it was but they brought up The Simpsons. Bart, Lisa, and Maggie have not aged ONE BIT in that show and it's still as popular and watched as it was when it was first released. Why? Because it's GOOD. The same could be done with ANY comic book character it's just up to the head honchos what will be done.

We all know how the comic book industry is. Right now Quesada is in charge and he sees things one way. Now who is to say that five years down the road we don't get a change in leadership and all of a sudden we go back in a different direction.

In my opinion, the character can stay 25 and there can be good storytelling. But I do see your point about progression.

Yeh, i agree with you that some things in certain media have been handled very well without having a specific sense of progression. I think it can work better in comic STRIPS & cartoons than comic books per say. In general i would not want to see The Simpsons age, or Charlie Brown get married. Progression in those situations would feel dumb to me.

I remember tho, Savage Dragon i thought sometimes progressed way TOO fast. Spidey tho, imo, typically has progressed just about right thru the years.

Batman never seems to progress, and that's prolly why i don't like him anyway near as much as Spidey. I mean, besides the current Robin in his life, (And which one has died or moved on)...he doesn't change much. He is just plugged into his stories...in fact, a lot of DC characters feel timeless...which is a good thing at times, but often not. But i still do enjoy picking some of them up off and on.

The problem with different editors at MArvel (i mean, what COULD happen is...) say that JQ takes Spidey backwards and ends progression...what's to say the next editor doesn't throw him forward or what-have you....then we have spidey degressing, regressing, and progressing all within continuity of the core title.

Then instead of BND, we'll have Back to the Future at some point.

That's where i can see it getting messy, because we have the continuity of him slowly progressing, so to stop now would be/could be disasterous on the character and in sales. No matter how good the writers are that come on to do whatever editors bidding is at the time...we are used to moving forward in Spidey. (except for retcons here and there!)

 

[mre]

If they wrote that into the storyline, then maybe it would be a valid point (but not really, since Peter has been written out of character for some time now.)

But since we haven't "read" those kinds of thoughts from Peter, then I'm not going to make the assumption. He only seems to care about May's welfare now... not MJ's. And he certainly didn't give a damn about either one of their safety when he took off that mask, now did he?

Every storyline after Morlun has been contrived and forced to get to this point in time: the end of the marriage. :heart:

But he hasn't even been given the choice between the marriage and aunt May yet... So how can you say that for sure?