Comics One More Day Discussion Thread

[Cullen]

An internet brohaha over a bad Spider-man story and I'm not at the heart of it, fighting tooth and nail over my position.

God, it feels good!

 

[Themanofbat]

An internet brohaha over a bad Spider-man story and I'm not at the heart of it, fighting tooth and nail over my position.

God, it feels good!

I always thought it was a broohaha...

 

[moraldeficiency]

Bob Harras was fired for not being able to take advantage of the "movie rush." So yeah, I think I can give Quesada credit for pulling Marvel out of the crapper. He was the one responsible for putting so much top-level talent on many of Marvel's books, after all.



For the moment? Try "since issue #1", which was released over 3 years ago. The quality of the book is subjective; my point is that New Avengers is a top seller despite so many people swearing off the book after Disassembled.



I don't remember who wrote this, but I remember one reviewer who said that Bendis was able to take something as conceptually stupid as House of M and sell it because of his writing.



I think many people would disagree with you there, mostly on the characters of Reed Richards and Iron Man.



All of which is your opinion...well, except for Black Panther. I don't think anyone will argue it isn't terrible. Looking at things from an objective lens (i.e. sales and talent), Quesada has done far more good than bad for the company.



That's disturbing to you?

yes, but marvel did capitalize on the rush didn't they? I already agreed and commented that Joey's one good thing was his hires.

I don't remember so many swearing off the book. It sells well but honestly, they stopped telling avengers stories in NA entirely, and mighty, well mighty just sucks.

Some people like bendis a lot. I liked his work on USM a great deal, manly cause his dialogue is annoying and all over the place which fits a high school Peter Parker, as for him writing adults? Not so much.

Reed and Tony did have their reasons. Reed from his future calculations and Tony from the confession. I admit there was issues there, but basically it's them doing what they think is best even if it costs them their friends or family. So they're still heroes doing the hard thing. I can buy it.

No it's all fact (at least in my head). I just don't think you should be putting up the Joey Q for president banner yet. A lot of his changes are just coming about, maybe seeing how the stories pan out (and they're off to a craptacular start of patronizing and ridiculing any long time fan) before you start attributing marvel's current trends as winners.

From my stand point marvel had no where to go but up in 2000 (especially with hollywood knocking) and Joey was in the right place at the right time. All his early success came from letting writers run amok with ideas and giving them freedom (ultimate line, marvel knights) but now he seems to have reversed this to the point of absurdity (you have to admit the smoking thing is just weird) except for bendis, the one guy I would never give free reign because he's a notorious character raper.

I respect that you're taking the unpopular position here.

 

[Cullen]

I always thought it was a broohaha...

It's not nice to be right, ya know.

 

[UltimateJustin]

Hey, I just read BND issue #1 and it was good except for the brief, lame appearance of Jackpot. Then there was a little Jackpot story at the end and I started reading it but it was too embarressing and sad. So that left it on a down note for me. Other than that I'd say its pretty decent, maybe as good as issue 50-100 of USM, which really wasnt all that good, but better than I thought it'd be.

 

[Brand]

I always thought it was a broohaha...

Well, it's technically spelled "brouhaha" . . .

Hey, I just read BND issue #1 and it was good except for the brief, lame appearance of Jackpot. Then there was a little Jackpot story at the end and I started reading it but it was too embarressing and sad. So that left it on a down note for me. Other than that I'd say its pretty decent, maybe as good as issue 50-100 of USM, which really wasnt all that good, but better than I thought it'd be.

While I disagree with you about the quality of BND (Peter's whining would have been enough to keep me from buying it even if OMD hadn't made up my mind), I completely agree that Jackpot wasn't all that impressive in the 20 seconds of fame she was given. There just isn't anything there that impresses me. It's practically a given that Jackpot is MJ, and that's a poor fate for the character IMO.

 

[UltimateJustin]

Well, it's technically spelled "brouhaha" . . .



While I disagree with you about the quality of BND (Peter's whining would have been enough to keep me from buying it even if OMD hadn't made up my mind), I completely agree that Jackpot wasn't all that impressive in the 20 seconds of fame she was given. There just isn't anything there that impresses me. It's practically a given that Jackpot is MJ, and that's a poor fate for the character IMO.

Who, besides everyone, wouldnt want a masked MJ running along saying nausiating things like "this is only my second night out on patrol (out on patrol, how cool is that?)" and making Mastercard "Priceless." references in TWO THOUSAND AND EIGHT, Y'ALL. What I mean by BND was good is that it does have a lighter, less bogged down vibe (but what do you expect by casually wiping away continuity with a ******ed story to get there) that for me made the story more enjoyable than recent ASM.

The Russo-Bischoff era also had that same feeling in the begining and it didnt work out there, so I'm not suggesting that ASM is really on the right track.

 

[kainedamo]

There really isn't any reason why they couldn't have done this 3 issue a month thing with Slott on board, etc, without the ridiculous continuity wipe that went on in OMD.

There is no reason why we can't have good stories that don't re-write 20 years of important character progression and events.

I dunno. I think self-respecting Spidey fans are doing the character a disservice. It's not an exaggeration to say people buying BND are accessories to the crime.

You're partly respoonsible for whatever becomes of the character in a few years time if things don't change back quickly.

 

[stillanerd]

As though we need more commentary on One More Day, I found this spoof that I thought was pretty funny:

http://www.figures.com/databases/ac...=actionfigures&topic=124&show_article=14&nl=1

 

[farmernudie]

stillanerd: As though we need more commentary on One More Day, I found this spoof that I thought was pretty funny:

http://www.figures.com/databases/act...rticle=14&nl=1

LOL....thanks for sharing that...very true! Sadly, you don't even have to alter the actual situation to make it "Funny"...

 

[ragingdemon155]

There really isn't any reason why they couldn't have done this 3 issue a month thing with Slott on board, etc, without the ridiculous continuity wipe that went on in OMD.

There is no reason why we can't have good stories that don't re-write 20 years of important character progression and events.

I dunno. I think self-respecting Spidey fans are doing the character a disservice. It's not an exaggeration to say people buying BND are accessories to the crime.

You're partly respoonsible for whatever becomes of the character in a few years time if things don't change back quickly.

I have bought the first two issues.

First issue was decent. The second one was much better.

However, I do agree with you. There really isn't any reason why we couldn't have had Dan Slott on board to write the marriage with this whole 3 times a month thing. The way I see it though, is that 3 times a month simply means that Peter and MJ will be back together again that much sooner.

I have to try and forget about OMD as soon as possible for my own sanity. There's no way to defend it. It's the worst Spider-man story I've ever read hands down. I'm not completely sold on BND. FAR FAR from it.

But the second issue was good. I'll enjoy it for that.

 

[Blader5489]

I have to try and forget about OMD as soon as possible for my own sanity. There's no way to defend it. It's the worst Spider-man story I've ever read hands down.

Eh...I'd still take OMD over any Hackie story any time. Its bad plot aside, OMD was at least nicely written and the art was good. Whereas I have nothing remotely positive to say about any story credited to Howard Mackie, especially "The Final Chapter." Ugh.

EDIT - LOL, I just noticed I wrote his name as "Hackie." That wasn't intentional at all. Talk about a Freudian slip... t:

 

[DoomRulz]

You guys really need to stop wailing on Mackie, seriously. There are reasons that he clearly explained as to why things happened the way they did. They hold up much better than "It's magic".

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

You've lost your credibility now by calling Mackie "Hackie"!!! LoL
That wasn't a Freudian slip... It was MAGIC!!

 

[kakashi]

Has anyone seen this?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22698290/

 

[Blader5489]

You guys really need to stop wailing on Mackie, seriously. There are reasons that he clearly explained as to why things happened the way they did. They hold up much better than "It's magic".

Oh? There were reasons why Mackie's storytelling and character writing were absolute ****?

I'll take "One More Day" over "The Final Chapter" any day.

 

[DoomRulz]

Oh? There were reasons why Mackie's storytelling and character writing were absolute ****?

I'll take "One More Day" over "The Final Chapter" any day.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=251601&page=3

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=251601&page=5

See? VALID EXPLANATIONS. I have yet to hear Joe Q defend himself in the same manner.

 

[ragingdemon155]

Oh? There were reasons why Mackie's storytelling and character writing were absolute ****?

I'll take "One More Day" over "The Final Chapter" any day.

Well I can't agree with you there.

Was Mackie great or even decent?
No.

Would I have taken his work over OMD?

Yes without question.

 

[Blader5489]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=251601&page=3

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=251601&page=5

See? VALID EXPLANATIONS. I have yet to hear Joe Q defend himself in the same manner.

I don't care if editorial was dictating what he wrote; the man just simply can't write, period. JMS took editorially mandated plots and made them at least readable. Mackie's writing, no matter how editorially influenced it may have been, was completely devoid of decent writing or characterization; there was absolutely no thought given to meaningful plot or character development. Writers like JMS and PAD were able to rise above what they were given (i.e. plots that were forced upon them) and produce something decent, which is more than I can say for Mackie. His basic storytelling skills were just complete garbage.

 

[DoomRulz]

I don't care if editorial was dictating what he wrote; the man just simply can't write, period. JMS took editorially mandated plots and made them at least readable. Mackie's writing, no matter how editorially influenced it may have been, was completely devoid of decent writing or characterization; there was absolutely no thought given to meaningful plot or character development. Writers like JMS and PAD were able to rise above what they were given (i.e. plots that were forced upon them) and produce something decent, which is more than I can say for Mackie. His basic storytelling skills were just complete garbage.

I don't know what's more appalling, the fact that you're willing to defend a man who has just erased at least 20 years of Spidey continuity and bash a man that simply screwed the main character, or if you just feel like kicking up some **** coz you're bored.

If you really think Mackie can't write good stories, I suggest you back and read his run on Ghost Rider Vol. 2. It was thanks to him (mainly) that GR gained the level of popularity he did. At least Mackie had the guts to admit he screwed Spidey up. Whereas your God Joe Q simply said "I don't like the marriage...it's magic"

 

[Kanon]

Well I can't agree with you there.

Was Mackie great or even decent?
No.

Would I have taken his work over OMD?

Yes without question.

Agree

OMD is simply the worst spidey story ever... The clone saga is like a cameo of the spot next to OMD

 

[iloveclones]

... the fact that you're willing to defend a man who has just erased at least 20 years of Spidey continuity...

Except that that didn't happen.

Agreed about Mackie, though. At one time, he was the Golden Boy at Marvel.

 

[Blader5489]

I don't know what's more appalling, the fact that you're willing to defend a man who has just erased at least 20 years of Spidey continuity and bash a man that simply screwed the main character, or if you just feel like kicking up some **** coz you're bored.

If you really think Mackie can't write good stories, I suggest you back and read his run on Ghost Rider Vol. 2. It was thanks to him (mainly) that GR gained the level of popularity he did. At least Mackie had the guts to admit he screwed Spidey up. Whereas your God Joe Q simply said "I don't like the marriage...it's magic"

1) I don't care how good Mackie's Ghost Rider was, I'm talking about Spider-Man. John Byrne has written some good stories before, that didn't stop his Spider-Man: Chapter One from being total crap.

2) Quesada doesn't write ASM; JMS did. So you should be comparing Mackie to JMS, not Quesada. If you want to compare Quesada to someone, it'd be Bob Harras...in which case Quesada wins.

3) 20 years of continuity weren't erased, so stop throwing that around.

 

[Shockdingo]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=251601&page=3

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=251601&page=5

See? VALID EXPLANATIONS. I have yet to hear Joe Q defend himself in the same manner.

Woah, thanks for the link. I never knew about this! Man, I feel bad about some of the things I said, guy seems pretty nice and polite. And he even said something very important:
"Best thing tyo do is vote with your pocketbook/wallet. If you do not like a direction a book is taking... do not keep buying it.

Howard"

edit:I for one can't believe I didn't remember the work he did on GR! He's the reason I loved that book. Man, interesting how one post can change your entire outlook on someone.

 

[moraldeficiency]

3) 20 years of continuity weren't erased, so stop throwing that around.

Actually it would be twenty years in May.