Comics One More Day Discussion Thread

[UltimateJustin]

Well, Secret Wars is better than OMD and Civil War, so can I conclude that Jim Shooter is better than quesada?

Probably yes.

 

[kainedamo]

2) Quesada doesn't write ASM; JMS did.

We all know who had the most say in how OMD went.

In fact, all of JMS' most criticized Spidey books had heavy interference from Joe Q.

3) 20 years of continuity weren't erased, so stop throwing that around.

How do you figure???

We've had a massive continuity wiping event that has...

1) Gotten rid of the marriage. The characters were never married. It's like reading 1984, where the past is constantly altered.

2) Harry is back. In fact, Harry never died. Again, past altering on the level of the book 1984.

3) Nobody remembers Spider-Man's true identity.

4) Peter looks younger.

For all intents and purposes and quite deliberately, the past has been altered. If not deleted, things just didn't happen the way our actual books in the last 20 years say they did.

 

[DoomRulz]

Woah, thanks for the link. I never knew about this! Man, I feel bad about some of the things I said, guy seems pretty nice and polite. And he even said something very important:
"Best thing tyo do is vote with your pocketbook/wallet. If you do not like a direction a book is taking... do not keep buying it.

Howard"

edit:I for one can't believe I didn't remember the work he did on GR! He's the reason I loved that book. Man, interesting how one post can change your entire outlook on someone.

It's amazing what can happen when an person opens their mind up to different views.

Isn't it Blader5489?

 

[DACMAN]

No one likes smug.

 

[Blader5489]

For all intents and purposes and quite deliberately, the past has been altered. If not deleted, things just didn't happen the way our actual books in the last 20 years say they did.

I'm not saying the past hasn't been altered (as it obviously has), but it hasn't been completely erased. Mostly everything is still in tact.

It's amazing what can happen when an person opens their mind up to different views.

Isn't it Blader5489?

What is your problem? I already said I don't care if editorial was force feeding Mackie plot ideas because Mackie's basic writing skills were non-existent.

Look at Peter David. The man had absolutely no control over the direction of Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, but he still managed to make good stories out of forced plots--because he's a good writer. Mackie, on the other hand, was given bad plots and did nothing to improve them with his own skill--because he's a bad writer. Maybe he does a good job on Ghost Rider, but he did an awful job on Spider-Man and did nothing to make lemonade out of the lemons he was given.

 

[iloveclones]

I have to disagree with you Blader. Editorial mandates can make it a very tricky thing to tell the stories that you want. That's no excuse, as you say, he should've made lemonade out of lemons, and he didn't. But that doesn't invalidate his previous efforts (on GR) and suddenly turn him into a hack. No more than Chapter One turned John Byrne (one of the most accomplished writer/artists in comics history) into a hack. To say so is a oversimplification in the extreme.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I'm not saying the past hasn't been altered (as it obviously has), but it hasn't been completely erased. Mostly everything is still in tact.

Such as?

 

[Blader5489]

I have to disagree with you Blader. Editorial mandates can make it a very tricky thing to tell the stories that you want. That's no excuse, as you say, he should've made lemonade out of lemons, and he didn't. But that doesn't invalidate his previous efforts (on GR) and suddenly turn him into a hack. No more than Chapter One turned John Byrne (one of the most accomplished writer/artists in comics history) into a hack. To say so is a oversimplification in the extreme.

Fair enough.

 

[Venom 1988]

I already said I don't care if editorial was force feeding Mackie plot ideas because Mackie's basic writing skills were non-existent.

Look at Peter David. The man had absolutely no control over the direction of Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, but he still managed to make good stories out of forced plots--because he's a good writer. Mackie, on the other hand, was given bad plots and did nothing to improve them with his own skill--because he's a bad writer. Maybe he does a good job on Ghost Rider, but he did an awful job on Spider-Man and did nothing to make lemonade out of the lemons he was given.

Ok, Chapter One sucked and the Reboot sucked. Having said that tho, he had some pretty decent and fun stories. Especially this particular issue

 

[Themanofbat]

For all intents and purposes and quite deliberately, the past has been altered. If not deleted, things just didn't happen the way our actual books in the last 20 years say they did.

Nope... they did indeed happen, and the way it's being represented is that the marriage did not occur, and obviously, Harry survived in the ambulance ride at the end of Spec. #200...

Everything could occur the way it's been presented... with those minor changes.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Nope... they did indeed happen, and the way it's being represented is that the marriage did not occur, and obviously, Harry survived in the ambulance ride at the end of Spec. #200...

Everything could occur the way it's been presented... with those minor changes.

Can I by some blinders from you?

 

[iloveclones]

Can I by some blinders from you?

How about some nice, fresh Willing Suspension of Disbelief? Now on sale in the frozen food section.

 

[moraldeficiency]

How about some nice, fresh Willing Suspension of Disbelief? Now on sale in the frozen food section.

They have that? I thought it was only FORCEFUL Suspension of Disbelief Mavel was offering. Like mind rape.

 

[kainedamo]

Nope... they did indeed happen, and the way it's being represented is that the marriage did not occur, and obviously, Harry survived in the ambulance ride at the end of Spec. #200...

Everything could occur the way it's been presented... with those minor changes.

What the **** are you talking about?

How can events possibly be the same if...

There have been a gazillion references in the Spidey books to Harry's death, Peter confronting Norman over Harry's death numerous times, and Peter even met Harry in this weird afterlife thing in one issue.

What the ****, man? Don't pretend that you've been reading comics over the last 20 years if you haven't been.

 

[Kanon]

Everything could occur the way it's been presented... with those minor changes.

OK...

 

[JayTee]

If someone can give me one good reason the last 2 pages of Spectacular 200 happened the way they did, I'll be nice and pissed off about Harry's return too.

 

[T'Jai]

If someone can give me one good reason the last 2 pages of Spectacular 200 happened the way they did, I'll be nice and pissed off about Harry's return too.

uh... how bout in the interest of good storytelling and character building by way of experienced consequences...

 

[JayTee]

uh... how bout in the interest of good storytelling and character building by way of experienced consequences...

That's so vague it could've come from a new age comic writer's blog.

You're not building on Harry if you kill him.

Harry's overdose was a consequence of him being the Green Goblin and tied to his ages old drug problem, but he could've rode out on that ambulance injured to return later. The death felt so tacked on from the moment he fainted.

It's dumb to kill off Spider-Man's main supporting cast, and unless you read Spider-Girl, Normie is a completely useless character.

 

[T'Jai]

That's so vague it could've come from a new age comic writer's blog.

You're not building on Harry if you kill him.

Harry's overdose was a consequence of him being the Green Goblin and tied to his ages old drug problem, but he could've rode out on that ambulance injured to return later. The death felt so tacked on from the moment he fainted.

It's dumb to kill off Spider-Man's main supporting cast, and unless you read Spider-Girl, Normie is a completely useless character.

You don't need to build on Harry or on Norman having an eternal arch nemesis is certainly cool and the mess brought on by making his son the characters best friend is better. I think they picked a good time and character to make a point Spidey has/(was) always been grounded in real type issues complicated by his mask at the time drugs was a pretty pertinent subject and I felt it was a good way to keep the 'ole Spidey/Peter issues going

you know kind of like the Jason Todd.. oh wait. Well more like Captain Mar... hold on. Well... hell

 

[JayTee]

Blech, Jason Todd is Batman's Gwen Stacy. Before I get a barrage of uninspired gay jokes, what I meant is that the books would've been better off if they weren't STILL being mentioned ages after the death.

 

[T'Jai]

Blech, Jason Todd is Batman's Gwen Stacy. Before I get a barrage of uninspired gay jokes, what I meant is that the books would've been better off if they weren't STILL being mentioned ages after the death.

'cept Todd is back... so is Marvell thus the... nevermind

 

[JayTee]

'cept Todd is back... so is Marvell thus the... nevermind

Yeah but he's beck because writers couldn't let it go.

Same reason Gwen clones are still running around and Sins Past happened.

 

[T'Jai]

Yeah but he's beck because writers couldn't let it go.

Same reason Gwen clones are still running around and Sins Past happened.

Sins Past Gwen was a Clone... I've said it before and I'll say it again every time that crapfest of a storyline is mentioned...

 

[farmernudie]

T'jai: It's dumb to kill off Spider-Man's main supporting cast

Yeppers, that is just one of the reason's I do not like BND, because it gets rid of way too much of his supporting cast.

 

[iloveclones]

They have that? I thought it was only FORCEFUL Suspension of Disbelief Mavel was offering. Like mind rape.

No-one's forcing anyone, man. Get a sense of humor, you'll live longer.