One More Day Discussion Thread

[DoomJester]

Well, one thing Marvel never really does is give concrete dates or time periods. Take X-men's MC vs Astonishing X-men continuity. It is dificult to tell when anything takes place. Same thing with Thor and Brand New Day. I already posted this, and I was half-joking half-serious. But Marvel's time periods are so out of whack you'll see a few big books taking place after Secret Invasion. My guess is that Thor, BND Spider-man and maybe even Astonishing X-men take place after Secret Invasion.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

He was part of the Avengers before the demasking, but chances are he wouldn't have been so down on his luck financially or job wise without MJ due to financial things. Then again, he'd probably have been just as messed up.

Either way, he probably would've then gone anti-registration when the SHRA hit, so that would've self corrected.

 

[Blader5489]

So, how can Spidey be in Avengers currently?

And all the Avengers don't remember anything now?

They don't know who he is now?

Spidey has been a part of the New Avengers since the beginning, before he unmasked.

 

[farmernudie]

Well, i know he's gone on many past missions with the Avengers when i was growing up (have the issues)...and he always stated he'd help them out but wasn't a "Team guy".

Recently...the house burned down and mj and him moved into avengers tower. Wolverine hit upon his wife...etc etc...that is the actual history.

So, is Avengers history altered? do they know he is Pete?

Does Wolverine remember anything? Does anyone?

DId he join under different circumstances then...and what were they?

Civil War couldn't have happened...MJ wasn't there....and Aunt May doesn't know he is Pete...so can't encourage him to (stupidly) unmask..?

Or now no one knows he unmasked and changed the tide and an instrument of registrative change? I mean, what does anyone know about anything, in Marvel's own recent events...? Everything, not just spidey-world stuff, has been made bizarro-world confusing....all to cement JQ's agenda. I don't get it at all.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Chances are, the ONLY unmasking the thing undid was his public one. Probably one or two others, but for the most part, everybody who knew about him before, probably knows him now.

 

[T'Jai]

the other OMD thread in the spidey forums has spoilers if anyone's interested...

 

[Blader5489]

Well, i know he's gone on many past missions with the Avengers when i was growing up (have the issues)...and he always stated he'd help them out but wasn't a "Team guy".

Recently...the house burned down and mj and him moved into avengers tower. Wolverine hit upon his wife...etc etc...that is the actual history.

That's not how Spidey joined the Avengers. Cap recruited him after the prison breakout at the Raft back in NA #3.

 

[Kevin]

Oh my god.

 

[Kraven]

One of the things I just can't buy about this is that not a single person remembers who Spidey is. Not even Norman Osborn, the one who killed his girlfriend. This messes up so much history between those two that it's not even funny. The Clone Saga, the Death of Gwen Stacy, the time he put Flash in a coma, etc. I mean, just to single it out... if Norman didn't know Parker=Spidey why did he go after Gwen and cause her death?

 

[Darthphere]

Spidey has been a part of the New Avengers since the beginning, before he unmasked.

He also lived with them in Avengers Tower where they all knew his identity.

 

[Blader5489]

One of the things I just can't buy about this is that not a single person remembers who Spidey is. Not even Norman Osborn, the one who killed his girlfriend. This messes up so much history between those two that it's not even funny. The Clone Saga, the Death of Gwen Stacy, the time he put Flash in a coma, etc. I mean, just to single it out... if Norman didn't know Parker=Spidey why did he go after Gwen and cause her death?

"It happened, but nobody remembers it"

Do you know what that means? It's not a retroactive change (so technically, not a retcon) but rather the characters' present day memories were altered.

 

[farmernudie]

Blader: That's not how Spidey joined the Avengers. Cap recruited him after the prison breakout at the Raft back in NA #3.

Right, my point STILL is,...who in avengers history moved into the tower?

MJ...no?

NO one hit on her.

AUnt May?

No.

She doesn't know anything about Spider-man.

JArvis and May have a history now??

No.

So...that's been my whole point..that Avengers history is different now, the process of joining...how did it happen?? What does anyone know about it if anything...??

And one of the spoilers state on the other thread.....

Spoiler

That people remember someone unmasked, they remember "a" unmasking in civil war...but people can't remember the unmasking, as who it actually was. (wrap your mind around that new silly marvel explanation.)

And why did Pete unmask then?? Just because TONY told him to solely?
I mean, it was weak before, to say aunt may and mj told him to also. that's what people argued that tried to rationalize the unmasking. If mj and aunt may are out of the picture...now marvel is trying to tell me Pete did it soley on Iron-Man's say so. Uh-huh.

And now Norman as Green goblin doesn't remember his own life's motivations, because he doesn't remember Pete. No one does. So he can remember Gwen, and her death, but not the why. Kinda dippy.

Venom?? Black Cat, Human Torch...i can go on and on about how history(s) have been totally toileted here with OMD/BND.

 

[Kraven]

I get it, so he did that stuff but he just doesn't know why he, for example, singled out Gwen. Still, altering everyone's memory of Spider-Man's identity seems like enough of a retcon. I would've preferred if at least some of the people who knew his identity from way back then (the 60's and 70's) would remember who he is, for history's sake.

 

[farmernudie]

Blader: "It happened, but nobody remembers it"

If that is soley the case, which is not entirely true, since MJ NEVER MARRIED PETE here in this new series i'll call.."Ultimate Ultimate Spider-Man"...but let's just say that is true.....so, why should any of us fans CARE anymore??

Who cares about a bunch of stories that NO ONE SUPPOSEDLY REMEMBERS...?? It makes them a moot point either way.

 

[Kevin]

The one person who HAS to know Peter is Spider-man is MJ. If they dated for years, and he never told her, then he's an idiot. But you know what, he did they same thing with Gwen. Dated her for a long time, and never told her. She died still not knowing. What an idot.

And if MJ never figured it out, then SHE's and idiot TOO. Come the hell on marvel. It'd be ok it MJ always knew his secret, but never told Peter she knew. That way, he'd be the only idioy for not telling her.

Also, I have to stay away from the Spidey forums. I want to be surprised when I read my book on wednesday.

 

[The Geek Vault]

Wow... I hate this!

 

[BrianWilly]

"It happened, but nobody remembers it"

Do you know what that means? It's not a retroactive change (so technically, not a retcon) but rather the characters' present day memories were altered.

Which is, for all intents and purposes, the same exact thing as a retcon.

Oh wait, I guess there's a constant veil of DEVIL MAGIC hanging over the 616 clouding everyone's memories and rendering logic obsolete so, hey, that's different right?

 

[BrianWilly]

I don't know if this was posted; high quality image of that Romita nonsense.

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Spider-Man/BND/Statusquo.jpg

So he's just...unregistered, period, and Tony and SHIELD just let him be. Just because.


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Devil magic trumps all dramatic significance of Civil War any day!

 

[Themanofbat]

So he's just...unregistered, period, and Tony and SHIELD just let him be. Just because.

That's not what it said... he's an illegal vigilante... therefore, SHIELD will try and get him.

Apparantly, it's why he hasn't appeared as Spidey for the last few months...

 

[BrianWilly]

SHIELD has known Peter's identity for ages. Of course now they don't, but they figured it out with ridiculous ease the first time around. There's nothing, repeat nothing stopping them from figuring it out again and marching up to Aunt May's house right this minute to get him registered.

Oh wait, except magic.

Unless we're saying now that superpowered people don't have to register if they're not actively using their powers. Which is just more SHRA inconsistency.

Besides, how could Peter have not been Spider-Man for months if he was running around being Spider-Man with the New Avengers for all this time?

Oh wait, damn, I keep forgetting about that pesky devil magic.

Remember, it doesn't have to make sense!

 

[yenaled]

The "no-one quite remembers who was under the mask" is such a Wally West Flash style get out clause.

 

[farmernudie]

Plus think about it...they state that people remember that he unmasked but can't remember who he was.

If other heroes tho, remember he unmasked...does PEte remember he unmasked???

Think about THAT.

Because if Pete knows he unmasked, and that people don't know who he is....he'd find that very odd logically, and investigate why people don't know who he is after taking his mask off in front of them all.

ANd then he'd also possibly remember making deals with devil, and being married...so i don't think pete can be allowed to remember he unmasked, even tho others do, or else it'd jog his memorya nd cause a paradox.



great storytelling has defintely returned.

 

[Themanofbat]

SHIELD has known Peter's identity for ages. Of course now they don't, but they figured it out with ridiculous ease the first time around. There's nothing, repeat nothing stopping them from figuring it out again and marching up to Aunt May's house right this minute to get him registered.

Oh wait, except magic.

Unless we're saying now that superpowered people don't have to register if they're not actively using their powers. Which is just more SHRA inconsistency.

Besides, how could Peter have not been Spider-Man for months if he was running around being Spider-Man with the New Avengers for all this time?

Oh wait, damn, I keep forgetting about that pesky devil magic.

Remember, it doesn't have to make sense!

You know, while I won't disagree with you that it could end up being stupid, I'd like to give Dan & Co. the benefit of the doubt of thinking up valid courses of action to explain everything that the grumbly-pants people are complaining about... because while we're all conveniently using the "it's magic... it doesn't have to make sense" button, it's all mere speculation because there could be valid reasons that WILL (I hope) be explained in the months to come.

So you can be a frowny pants and make all kinds of pesky devil magic jokes all you want.. I'll wait and see what they come up with, and if they don't within a reasonable amount of time, I'll make the jokes right there with you.

Sound fair?

Cheers...

 

[Dread]

I don't know if this was posted; high quality image of that Romita nonsense.

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Spider-Man/BND/Statusquo.jpg

So he's just...unregistered, period, and Tony and SHIELD just let him be. Just because.


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Devil magic trumps all dramatic significance of Civil War any day!

Yeah, this all really makes no ****ing sense. In some twisted way, I can understand the philosophy here. No, it isn't just being afriad of change, especially changes that were completely mishandled from the start, such as the new powers, being a high school teacher, even joining the Avengers (if handled right, Spider-Man might have become the equalivent of DC's Flash; I feared that because I doubted Marvel would want him to move beyond the "everyman", or schmuck, angle that far, and time proved me right). Many events have gotten Spidey off the rails, so this was seen as a deck-clearing manuver. The problem is it created as many hassles as it seemingly erased, even moreso because of the ridiculous nature of the story. It turned the run by Dan Slott, anticipated for about 2-3 years since SPIDER-MAN/TORCH, into a hate-fest with the worst ill will from the audience imaginable. Literally no part of this "event" has worked on any level before, unless causing internal strife and irking JMS was a desired goal.

Apparently because it was a slow news day, the NEW YORK POST had an article about BND this week, which has some spoilers:

SPIDEY'S SMOOCH SCANDAL
by Dareh Gregorian

Spider-Man, you dog!

The first issue of the Amazing Spider-Man to feature a single Spidey in 20 years hits comic book stores this week, and the first page shows the web-bed wonder's alter ego Peter Parker

Spoiler

locking lips with a woman who isn't wife Mary Jane Watson.

"The first page is a real shocker and it's done on purpose. It's a bit of a slap of reality to longtime readers," said Marvel editor in chief Joe Quesada.

Those readers are still reeling from the company's move in the most recent issue, where the friendly neighborhood wall-crawler and his missus had their marriage wiped out.

The supernatural split has enraged many spider-fans who'd invested years in following the relationship and were offended by the split. Some have been venting their anger online, organizing campaigns to send Marvel torn-up Spider-Man comics and threatening boycotts.

Again, forgive me if this was already posted.

I love how after all this, Joe Q still feels the need to "slap" his "longtime readers". One wonders when this sort of adversarial EIC-ing from both Marvel & DC will implode upon itself.

 

[BrianWilly]