One More Day Discussion Thread

[TheCorpulent1]

You're never going to get answers for this stuff. Just deal with it and move on.

 

[shapeshifter]

i'm fine with it, I was just agreeing.

 

[Doc Destruction]

You're never going to get answers for this stuff. Just deal with it and move on.

Or abandon the whole book.

 

[Miss Webb]

Which is not right as sorceror supreme he should know if an entity has released a global spell of such magnitude.

Well, maybe he's too busy living out his "orgy" fantasy with two women. (It was referred to in his series! Lol)

After all, he is Stephen STRANGE...

And if the Other still happened, maybe that's why SPidey's shooters keep falling off/get stolen, etc...the Spider God is interfering with Mephisto's plans! A hack theory I know, but as good as any at this point.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Or abandon the whole book.

What did you think I meant by "move on"?

 

[Xofenroht]

The direction Slott or other creative teams isn't why people are upset and dropping the book. It was magic undoing of the marriage and near-reboot of the series

That's exactly why I think you all are being silly. You're angry about a single moment in the story. I admit, it was the precedent for what's going on now, but just because Mephisto did what he did, doesn't mean that the stories spinning out of that are going to be equally as bad as that plot device so many of us hate.

And despite what anyone says, the concept of "good and bad" is relative. It's all just a matter of perception.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I perceive making deals with the devil as bad 10 times out of 10. Stupid, too. Anyone with even the most basic knowledge of literature knows that those things never, ever turn out well. So Peter's a morally questionable idiot now and he always will be. Kind of hard to "get back to the core" of the character when the core has changed via OMD.

 

[shapeshifter]

I agree with you corp. Dealing with the devil is a lose lose no matter who you are or where you are. It was a stupid thing to do at best.

 

[Anubis]

I really hope that at the end of the first arc that robber guy kills May. If he doesn't then this whole thing is a waste.

 

[Xofenroht]

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.2253.Spider-Man_Faces_An_All-New_Menace_(Literally!)

Well, if we're talking about patterns with making deals with the devil, it goes like this: 1) Guy has desire. 2) Makes deal with Devil to attain desire 3) Receives what he most desires under very twisted conditions. 4) Regrets the decision and is ultimately screwed over in the end.

On top of that, Peter Parker displays a particular pattern of behavior that would tell you that he'd do something like this. I think I remember him or other heroes believing that he was selfish, impulsive and naive. Remember, Spider-Man is supposed to be a flawed hero?

 

[fifthfiend]

I perceive making deals with the devil as bad 10 times out of 10.

Unless you're John Constantine.

I think I remember him or other heroes believing that he was selfish, impulsive and naive. Remember, Spider-Man is supposed to be a flawed hero?

Epic fail.

 

[Gilpesh]

Unless you're John Constantine.

Which whiny Parker isn't.

At least Constantine comes out on top and everyone cheers when he does it.

 

[Tron Bonne]

That's exactly why I think you all are being silly. You're angry about a single moment in the story. I admit, it was the precedent for what's going on now, but just because Mephisto did what he did, doesn't mean that the stories spinning out of that are going to be equally as bad as that plot device so many of us hate.

And despite what anyone says, the concept of "good and bad" is relative. It's all just a matter of perception.

You missed what I was saying, I don't think it's about being good or bad writing/stories to a lot of people. It's what's been done, deal with the devil to soft reboot the franchise, a lot of people are disagreeing heavily with this de-evolving of the character and feel that is simply the wrong step for the franchise, in the same way they felt The Scarlet Spider taking over for Peter was in the aftermath of the Clone Saga.

And, for the record, I am reading BND, but I can understand why others feel the way they are about what's going on.

 

[shapeshifter]

Unless you're John Constantine.

the only reason that Constantine comes out on top is because he is a bigger con man that the devil.
i like him, I just would not play cards with him

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I just listened to a Fanboy Radio interview with Dan Slott. Good stuff. It almost made me want to read BND. Slott's enthusiasm really is infectious.

 

[PhotoJones]

I just read Erik Larsen's thoughts on OMD.

I thought the actual story that saw print was incredibly stupid. There were occasional nice lines in there, but the basis of the Devil stepping in and monkeying with this marriage was just ridiculous. Peter and MJ did not have this perfect ideal marriage that was so different and special and noteworthy from everybody else that it stood out as something idyllic and ideal. That part of it just rang untrue. The two had all kinds of problems and that made Mephisto's rationale just nonsensical. When he coughed up that line of dialogue about their perfect relationship, I nearly fell out of my chair.

The whole thing was so incredibly ridiculous.

The issue itself was a jumble. Joe Quesada seemed to go from tracing photographs of ugly people or apple dolls to trying to draw characters “on model” and the end result was like stringing together a bunch of scenes from various 007 movies and trying to pretend all of the actors that portrayed Bond were the same guy, ignoring all of the physical changes that were only too apparent. It was often over-rendered or poorly lit or simply uninteresting and the story was all over the place. How sad it must have been when J. Michael Straczynski realized that his last official act was to undo everything he'd contributed over the previous six years.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

God, I love the hell out of Erik Larsen. I don't think I've seen anyone who's as consistently honest and unafraid to speak his mind about everything in the industry as he is.

 

[PhotoJones]

Yeah, he's a treasure. He went on to list how he would have changed things to go into BND, but it's too full of common sense that I didn't think the casual poster on the Hype would be able to follow it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Link me, I want to read it. I'm uncommonly sensible for the Hype.

Key words there being "for the Hype," of course.

 

[PhotoJones]

Erik Larsen tells it like it is.

 

[Themanofbat]

Yeah, he's a treasure. He went on to list how he would have changed things to go into BND, but it's too full of common sense that I didn't think the casual poster on the Hype would be able to follow it.

Erik Larsen tells it like it is.

I like everything about Larsen as a person except for his inability to draw...

His art is just too McFarlane-ish for my tastes...

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I like everything about Larsen as a person except for his inability to draw...

His art is just too McFarlane-ish for my tastes...

That might have been editorialy mandated though. Kind of like when Stan asked Romita Sr. to "draw like Ditko" after Steve quit...

 

[fifthfiend]

Erik Larsen tells it like it is.

Wow. If Larsen's usually that good I should really make his column a regular read.

The point about the divorce was particularly on the nose. I mean if the point of Peter Parker is to be a relatable everyman or whatever, well, relatable everymen don't have magical deus-exes blink their marriages out of existence; they go through some bad ****, realize they can't work things out and file with the divorce court.

...I don't really agree with the thing about how the marriage 'ruins' the character and I think the comparisons with Superman and Archie are off; specifically because of the fact that Spider-Man was supposed to be a more sincerely human kind of character I think the worst thing they could do with him is not to age him, because here in the real world of actual human beings people well, get older, and have to deal with it. It's fine to keep Archie and Jughead teenagers forever because they're stupid bull**** joke characters that nobody is ever meant to take seriously, and even in the case of Superman he's never been intended as an entirely mortal character but honestly, trying to keep Peter Parker as some kind of goddamn eternal Peter Pan kills the character surer than any brush with adult responsibility or real life could ever hope to do.

 

[yenaled]

Larsen just won too many points to tally.

 

[Xofenroht]

You missed what I was saying, I don't think it's about being good or bad writing/stories to a lot of people. It's what's been done, deal with the devil to soft reboot the franchise, a lot of people are disagreeing heavily with this de-evolving of the character and feel that is simply the wrong step for the franchise, in the same way they felt The Scarlet Spider taking over for Peter was in the aftermath of the Clone Saga.

And, for the record, I am reading BND, but I can understand why others feel the way they are about what's going on.

I understand that people feel that it's a wrong step, but I also realize what we got out of this wrong step being made (that being Slott and a change of direction). Marvel made a wrong step before the Silver Age of Comics, which is why they needed to create all of these new characters to begin with and now they have...well, you know what they have.

Look, all I'm saying is that BND is at least worth a try. Besides, how do you expect them to change what already happened? Another mindwipe or history change will only make things worse. The story already set up a way out in the last issue of OMD.