One Scene that I know X2 screenwriters would have done better

[Gilpesh]

I have seen it. I just forgot how hot she was in it and that outfit.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

For the most part, we'll never know what Bryan Singer and his writing team (Michael Dougherty, David Hayter, or Dan Harriswould) have made X3. However, from listening to DVD commentary on X2, I do believe they would have written a better conclusion to the "Dark Phoenix Saga" that was both respectful of the original comic book and make it even better. Here's a quote from one of the X2 screenwriters on the DVD commentary:

“In the [comic] book, it’s such a beautiful moment where it’s just her and Cyclops. And she says ‘I got too much power; I can’t handle it; I have to go.’ She basically uses a giant gun to kill herself right in front of Cyclops. I wanted to take that one step further and have her bring Cyclops up to her. And say, “I can’t be allowed to live; I can’t allow this to go on.” She uses Cyclops’s own beams to destroy her – which I think is what made the studio nervous about doing it because it was really disturbing, upsetting, and psychologically scarring for Cyclops; but I knew it would kick ass for the X-Fans. So like I said it got cut along the way.”

The X2 screenwriters cut this scene from X2 because they felt that "Dark Phoenix Saga" was too soon in the movieverse and because of Fox's hesitation. I do think this would be a great ending for Jean destroying herself rather than have Jean ALLOW wolverine to kill her.

that would have been very powerful.. but at the same time, i dont see movie cyke EVER being brave enough to do that

 

[TheVileOne]

That would've been the PERFECT ending for X-men 3.

And it involves CYCLOPS.

Singer and crew at least understood that Jean loves Scott.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

they had a bad way of showing jean loving scott before... and ya that would be a great ending.. but none the less singer left.. and pissed fox off

 

[LastSunrise1981]

You know after reading these threads, it's become ultimately depressing thinking about what should've/could've been.

What should've been:

Instead we got this.

We got the latter with Wolverine brooding over a woman he's known for what? A week?

I hate Rothman.

 

[WorthyStevens]

that would have been very powerful.. but at the same time, i dont see movie cyke EVER being brave enough to do that

Although it sounds corny, Cyke loves Jean enough that he's willing to overcome any obstacle that's in his way.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Although it sounds corny, Cyke loves Jean enough that he's willing to overcome any obstacle that's in his way.

not movie cyke.. he'd do anything for her.. but not kill her.. ooooo imagine if he couldn't kill her.. and wolvie did... !!!!! imagine his hatred

 

[ginny_weasley]

Although it sounds corny, Cyke loves Jean enough that he's willing to overcome any obstacle that's in his way.

Yep

*sigh* whever I see that cover, another piece of my soul breaks off and dies.

 

[WorthyStevens]

Yep

*sigh* whever I see that cover, another piece of my soul breaks off and dies.

Too many pieces of bad news these past couple days...

Confirmation by Zak that Cyke never had a chance in hell of have a starring role... and now I read from the same post, today, that Angel was written to fight in the final battle, but "it didn't make it past the powers that be".

I hate Fox so ****ing much right now.

 

[Kmack]

I think they would have done the entire movie much better

 

[Mike059jig]

Incredibly and amazing....that scene would of been so memorable for both cyclops and jean fans...

 

[BMM]

that would have been very powerful.. but at the same time, i dont see movie cyke EVER being brave enough to do that

As noted in the interview, she wouldn't have given him a choice (just like she didn't give him a choice in the comics) . . . that's the point . . . Jean was the only one who could ultimately stop herself . . . and in the comic, as well as the above scenario, Scott would have simply been helpless and left to watch the love of his life die in front of him--hence the reason it's so powerful.

they had a bad way of showing jean loving scott before... and ya that would be a great ending.. but none the less singer left.. and pissed fox off

What was she supposed to do--fornicate with him on screen? It's not as though she is some googley-eyed teenager who has a crush on a boy she just met. She's not going to blow kisses at him from across the room just to remind people she loves Cyclops. She's a grown woman . . . she was draped across him the entire time they were together in X2. She flat out denies Wolverine . . . not to mention she flat out displays her true feelings for Cyclops while they're coddling each other on the ground, "I thought I'd lost you . . . I love you so much . . ." Besides, the Dark Phoenix Saga is the ultimate arc in which they display the nature of their relationship. If FOX would have allowed it, they could have followed up on Jean and Scott's story just fine.

 

[jcykeson]

hmm, but i guess we'll never see that scene.. unless there would be a re-make and it's just titled THe Phoenix Saga.. that would kick ass

 

[The Watchman]

Funny, because Wolverine having to kill Jean was the one part of this movie I actually liked...but for it to work properly Cyclops would still have had to take his rightful place in the Phoenix saga inthat while they both love Jean, either Scott loves Jean too much to kill her for the greater good or you could debate that Wolverine has a truer kind of love or understanding by being the one who is actually capable of it...it creates an interesting situation none the less, though I think overall Singer and crew would have done the Phoenix saga more justice. (and not crammed the cure storyline into the movie either)

 

[spideyboy_1111]

As noted in the interview, she wouldn't have given him a choice (just like she didn't give him a choice in the comics) . . . that's the point . . . Jean was the only one who could ultimately stop herself . . . and in the comic, as well as the above scenario, Scott would have simply been helpless and left to watch the love of his life die in front of him--hence the reason it's so powerful.



What was she supposed to do--fornicate with him on screen? It's not as though she is some googley-eyed teenager who has a crush on a boy she just met. She's not going to blow kisses at him from across the room just to remind people she loves Cyclops. She's a grown woman . . . she was draped across him the entire time they were together in X2. She flat out denies Wolverine . . . not to mention she flat out displays her true feelings for Cyclops while they're coddling each other on the ground, "I thought I'd lost you . . . I love you so much . . ." Besides, the Dark Phoenix Saga is the ultimate arc in which they display the nature of their relationship. If FOX would have allowed it, they could have followed up on Jean and Scott's story just fine.

yadda yadda yadda... its one thing to kill the woman you love.. its another to have her kill herself while your fighting it and have her forcefully rip your classes up and use her mind to hold your eyelids open...thats a bit disturbing.. not saying it isnt good.. but its probably a bit too disturbing

and sorry but esp to the general public the majority wanted logan and jean together.. why? because we really saw alot of how much logan loved jean.. and when we saw cyclops he lacked in personality.. he was stern.. quite and like wolverine said.. sort of a "D!(k" so the general audience didnt gravitate torwards him because the movies hardly showed any character for cyke.. we needed more scenes of him opening up (like the scene with xavier unconcious) for the most part though, Scott came off like a highschool jock whos dating the girl of every guys dream, and she comes off as a possession "stay away from my girl"... too many people i think get the heart of the charcters in the comic mixed up with whats really happening in the movie

 

[TheVileOne]

they had a bad way of showing jean loving scott before... and ya that would be a great ending.. but none the less singer left.. and pissed fox off

Which just shows how much Fox doesn't deserve the X-men brand if they are going to take out their pissiness on their best franchise.

 

[BMM]

yadda yadda yadda... its one thing to kill the woman you love.. its another to have her kill herself while your fighting it and have her forcefully rip your classes up and use her mind to hold your eyelids open...thats a bit disturbing.. not saying it isnt good.. but its probably a bit too disturbing . . .

It sounds no more disturbing than a woman mercilessly tearing scores of people apart piece by piece (in what can be described as Hell on Earth) only to have a man struggle to approach her while she rips portions of his flesh off with her mind . . . moreover, to have that same man plunge three claws into her chest/heart, while watching her as she dies in front of him . . . Anything can be written to sound disturbing--it's another thing when it's actually shown.

. . . and sorry but esp to the general public the majority wanted logan and jean together.. why? because we really saw alot of how much logan loved jean.. and when we saw cyclops he lacked in personality.. he was stern.. quite and like wolverine said.. sort of a "D!(k" so the general audience didnt gravitate torwards him because the movies hardly showed any character for cyke.. we needed more scenes of him opening up (like the scene with xavier unconcious) for the most part though, Scott came off like a highschool jock whos dating the girl of every guys dream, and she comes off as a possession "stay away from my girl"... too many people i think get the heart of the charcters in the comic mixed up with whats really happening in the movie

That's great, but the scenario that people are wanting to see doesn't end with Cyclops getting the girl. Again, that's not the point. No one "gets" her.

Furthermore, the general public doesn't seem to mind that Wolverine doesn't get the girl in X2 . . . they don't seem to mind that in the end, Jean chooses Scott over Wolverine or that Scott was the one Jean would share her last words with.

Sometimes I think people get mixed up with the notion the Cyclops fans wanting Scott to get his proper dues in the Dark Phoenix must entail that X3 be "The Cyclops Saga" . . . which isn't the case. The entirety of the Dark Phoenix Saga focuses on the team's relationship with Jean while maintaining intermittent periods of emotionally heavy moments with Scott (kind of like at the end of X2, which again, doesn't seem to bother the general audience).

If the writing is good enough, the audience will enjoy it . . . it's not as though people are only wanting the movie to be about Cyclops, or that he and Jean run off together and live happily ever after while leaving the cash cow behind . . . fans simply want to see Cyclops get his due in a story that should have been able to give people more insight into his character and his place among the X-Men.

 

[chaseter]

I think that Scott should have been there to see her die but I do not think Scott should kill Jean. I think that Phoenix's powers should have over came her and she disentegrated like the rest of those poor losers. Cyclops should have been there to see it happen and try to run to her side but Storm stops him.

 

[BigMac]

"But but but, X3 was amazing. You guys are just Ratner bashers."

Sigh.

 

[chaseter]

"But but but, X3 was amazing. You guys are just Ratner bashers."

Sigh.

NO I loved X3 I just wish some things had been changed. FOX did this and ruined a lot of great opportunities. I am in no way agaisnt Ratner and company.

 

[gambitfire]

God i hope your joking BigMac

That ending sounds incredible and very loyal to the source.

Spideyboy defends this movie way too much im now convinced he's Tom Rothman.

BTW i saw the movie again today (again not paid for) third time isn't the charm still hated it.

 

[Retroman]

For the most part, we'll never know what Bryan Singer and his writing team (Michael Dougherty, David Hayter, or Dan Harriswould) have made X3. However, from listening to DVD commentary on X2, I do believe they would have written a better conclusion to the "Dark Phoenix Saga" that was both respectful of the original comic book and make it even better. Here's a quote from one of the X2 screenwriters on the DVD commentary:

“In the [comic] book, it’s such a beautiful moment where it’s just her and Cyclops. And she says ‘I got too much power; I can’t handle it; I have to go.’ She basically uses a giant gun to kill herself right in front of Cyclops. I wanted to take that one step further and have her bring Cyclops up to her. And say, “I can’t be allowed to live; I can’t allow this to go on.” She uses Cyclops’s own beams to destroy her – which I think is what made the studio nervous about doing it because it was really disturbing, upsetting, and psychologically scarring for Cyclops; but I knew it would kick ass for the X-Fans. So like I said it got cut along the way.”

The X2 screenwriters cut this scene from X2 because they felt that "Dark Phoenix Saga" was too soon in the movieverse and because of Fox's hesitation. I do think this would be a great ending for Jean destroying herself rather than have Jean ALLOW wolverine to kill her.

Wow....i didn't know about this.

 

[tonytr1687]

yadda yadda yadda... its one thing to kill the woman you love.. its another to have her kill herself while your fighting it and have her forcefully rip your classes up and use her mind to hold your eyelids open...thats a bit disturbing.. not saying it isnt good.. but its probably a bit too disturbing

and sorry but esp to the general public the majority wanted logan and jean together.. why? because we really saw alot of how much logan loved jean.. and when we saw cyclops he lacked in personality.. he was stern.. quite and like wolverine said.. sort of a "D!(k" so the general audience didnt gravitate torwards him because the movies hardly showed any character for cyke.. we needed more scenes of him opening up (like the scene with xavier unconcious) for the most part though, Scott came off like a highschool jock whos dating the girl of every guys dream, and she comes off as a possession "stay away from my girl"... too many people i think get the heart of the charcters in the comic mixed up with whats really happening in the movie

Ummm...who the **** cares what the general public wants? Most of the general public have zero taste when it comes to film anyway.

 

[Slimfro01]

FOX messed up X3 even before they started filming when they told Ratner "No Cyclops". If Singer directed X3, everyone would have got the movie they were told they were gonna do on the X2 DVD. Ratner just gave in to FOX stupid demaded thinking they know what the fans want. Wolverine, Wolverine, Wolverine! What idiots.

The movie would have worked so much better if they didnt kill Cyk in the first 25 minutes. Instead of killing him, he could have been knocked out and they would have found him next to Jean. Then there would have been more conflict with Cyk and the X-men over having to kill Jean. Then it would have been him string to get to Jean at the end, but Jean wouldnt try to disintegrate him when she sees him the good Jean would break though and they would run and hug each other. But then Jean would tell Scott to kill her now but Cyk would refuse so then the Phoenix would take over and kill Scott and his died words would be "I love you". Then, Al of a sudden Wolverine, who was near bye, charges at her when he sees what she did to scott and... u know the rest.

 

[Radagast_Prime]

I think they would have done the entire movie much better

Agreed 100%