One Scene that I know X2 screenwriters would have done better

[JokerNick]

Totally disagree with Spidey about X2, the end of X2 just screams to me that Jean wanted Scott and turned down Logan. Scott was shouting and panicking when Jean was outside the jet. Jean flat out turned Logan down outside the jet. And she told both Logan and Scott himself that she loves Scott, i dont remember her ever in the movie saying she loved Logan. So please, explain, how the **** did the movie push Logan and Jean as a couple?

also logan told Scott at the end of X2, that the reason Jean sacrificed herself was to save Scott, he basically told scott that Jean chose him over himself

 

[J.Howlett]

Spidey,

Jean choose Scott at the end of X2. Logan goes off to find Stryker. Jean looks on at his ear piece. It goes back to the moment when Logan and Jean kiss. Jean specifically states at "the good guys sticks around."

Seeing that earpiece on the ground confirmed that Logan could probably never do that.

When Scott regained himself out of that trance, she tells Scott that she loves him. Their love is confirmed in that sequence between them.

When Jean, using Xavier, tells Scott goodbye, it's that. She heard his words. She made the decision.

We see the pain of both Scott and Logan. We see the pain of both of them when they return to the mansion. It's more focused on Scott and Xavier than Logan during those moments.

Again, in the moments of X-Men and X2, it's clear that she chooses Scott, eventhough a part of here wants to explore Logan. But, when Logan made his choice to find Stryker, Jean made hers. It was Scott.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

how does it scream it? because wolvie said so? and because scott was screaming? lol we know scott loves jean, its just not clear as glass what jean feels, the last piece you have of jeans point of view on the subject is "you marry a good guy" wich she said smiling.. (before or after the kiss, i cant remember, same thing either way)

Jean pulled away from the kiss and walked away, then later told Scott "I love you so much." And at the end Logan tells Scott that Jean chose Scott over Wolverine, how much clearer can it be made, also look at what JokerNick said above that was another point. Watch the movie again and the come back.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

ummm she didnt sacrafice herself to save scott.. she sacraficed herself to save EVERYONE... and no logan never says it was to save scott..

and just because logan says jean chose scott and just because scott loves jean DOES NOT show how jean feels...

the movies were very misguided on that and concentrated much more on the Logan/jean aspect of the triangle then the Jean/Scott part..

 

[crappymovie]

Jean pulled away from the kiss and walked away, then later told Scott "I love you so much." And at the end Logan tells Scott that Jean chose Scott over Wolverine, how much clearer can it be made, also look at what JokerNick said above that was another point. Watch the movie again and the come back.

Exactly. Watch the last half hour of X2, and then watch X3. You can liken Jean and Scott to an "adult love." In X3, all you see is how much Jean makes Logan feel "happy in the pants", and Phoenix likes messing with his head. That's all. haha

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Spidey,

Jean choose Scott at the end of X2. Logan goes off to find Stryker. Jean looks on at his ear piece. It goes back to the moment when Logan and Jean kiss. Jean specifically states at "the good guys sticks around."

Seeing that earpiece on the ground confirmed that Logan could probably never do that.

When Scott regained himself out of that trance, she tells Scott that she loves him. Their love is confirmed in that sequence between them.

When Jean, using Xavier, tells Scott goodbye, it's that. She heard his words. She made the decision.

We see the pain of both Scott and Logan. We see the pain of both of them when they return to the mansion. It's more focused on Scott and Xavier than Logan during those moments.

Again, in the moments of X-Men and X2, it's clear that she chooses Scott, eventhough a part of here wants to explore Logan. But, when Logan made his choice to find Stryker, Jean made hers. It was Scott.

Exactly, although to me she had chose Scott before that. What was the first thing she said when Logan asked how she was outside the Jet? "I'm just worried...about Scott." Then when Logan grabs her, what is the first thing she says? "I love him." meaning Scott.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

i get the points, but the movie still focuses on jean and logan more so, plus wich is one of my problems with X2, since scott was hardly in it, he lost character development.. we can see why jean is attracted to logan, but we never see a side of scott that makes us think she should be with him.. and thats why the general public didnt pic up on it.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

ummm she didnt sacrafice herself to save scott.. she sacraficed herself to save EVERYONE... and no logan never says it was to save scott..

and just because logan says jean chose scott and just because scott loves jean DOES NOT show how jean feels...

the movies were very misguided on that and concentrated much more on the Logan/jean aspect of the triangle then the Jean/Scott part..

So, Jean saying to Scott in the damn "I thought i'd lost you........i love you show much!" And also telling Logan "I love him." meaning Scott and pulling away from kissing him doesnt show her feeling???? Are you joking?

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Spidey,

Jean choose Scott at the end of X2. Logan goes off to find Stryker. Jean looks on at his ear piece. It goes back to the moment when Logan and Jean kiss. Jean specifically states at "the good guys sticks around."

Seeing that earpiece on the ground confirmed that Logan could probably never do that.

When Scott regained himself out of that trance, she tells Scott that she loves him. Their love is confirmed in that sequence between them.

When Jean, using Xavier, tells Scott goodbye, it's that. She heard his words. She made the decision.

We see the pain of both Scott and Logan. We see the pain of both of them when they return to the mansion. It's more focused on Scott and Xavier than Logan during those moments.

Again, in the moments of X-Men and X2, it's clear that she chooses Scott, eventhough a part of here wants to explore Logan. But, when Logan made his choice to find Stryker, Jean made hers. It was Scott.

Wow... That is so true. Thats exactly how I thought of it.

Maybe I should change my avatar back to Jean hugging ...a lot. I love that scene. My fave J&S moment.

 

[crappymovie]

i get the points, but the movie still focuses on jean and logan more so, plus wich is one of my problems with X2, since scott was hardly in it, he lost character development.. we can see why jean is attracted to logan, but we never see a side of scott that makes us think she should be with him.. and thats why the general public didnt pic up on it.

It doesn't matter what the focus is. Think of it this way: If there was a movie about Pitt, Jolie and Anniston, what part would they focus? Say Pitt and Aniston HAD stayed together, would they show how much they love each other? Hell no. I'll all be about Jolie and Pitt, and them gettin it on. I think the point of X2 was that it took the love triangle to a new level: Wolverine desperately wanted Jean. While Jean was definitely tempted, she chose Scott. Makes for a better, more interesting movie (showing Logan and Jean flirting), then Jean and Scott just talking about how much they love each other or at couples' bingo night haha. I think Singer wanted to show that part of Jean wanted Logan, but in the end, she knew she loved Scott. Which is probably why they had that scene where Jean and Scott kept saying they loved each other. And why Scott broke down when Jean died, not Wolverine. That was supposed to further build up the "poor Logan" angle. The films were basically told from his point of view, so it made sense. So the general public felt for Logan, but now, they feel for Cyclops after Wolverine basically stole her away right after Cyke died haha

 

[spideyboy_1111]

i forgot about the damn part.. but the problem though is the fact we dont see why jean loves scott.. maybe it has to do with character chemistry? i dont know. In a directors point of view, they guide jean/logan over scott/jean plus the movie makes you feel for logan, wanting him to get the girl.. so i think its a mix of both of those. Wich is why the GP thought that, and why fox ran with it

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

i get the points, but the movie still focuses on jean and logan more so, plus wich is one of my problems with X2, since scott was hardly in it, he lost character development.. we can see why jean is attracted to logan, but we never see a side of scott that makes us think she should be with him.. and thats why the general public didnt pic up on it.

Well i would count my dad, my friends, and my brothers as the general public as all of them except my brothers had never heard of the X-men before the movies, and they picked up on it.

 

[JokerNick]

it focuses on that because wolverine is the fan favorite,

I guarentee that Singer had it in mind to have logan get rejected by Jean, making him become more of an outcast in his X3, instead of the candy cane version Ratner gave us...... we would have saw cyclops be the leader in x3, and logan be the strong badass type if Singer did it, instead we got a dead cyclops and a lolipop wolverine....

 

[spideyboy_1111]

It doesn't matter what the focus is. Think of it this way: If there was a movie about Pitt, Jolie and Anniston, what part would they focus? Say Pitt and Aniston HAD stayed together, would they show how much they love each other? Hell no. I'll all be about Jolie and Pitt, and them gettin it on. I think the point of X2 was that it took the love triangle to a new level: Wolverine desperately wanted Jean. While Jean was definitely tempted, she chose Scott. Makes for a better, more interesting movie (showing Logan and Jean flirting), then Jean and Scott just talking about how much they love each other or at couples' bingo night haha. I think Singer wanted to show that part of Jean wanted Logan, but in the end, she knew she loved Scott. Which is probably why they had that scene where Jean and Scott kept saying they loved each other. And why Scott broke down when Jean died, not Wolverine. That was supposed to further build up the "poor Logan" angle. The films were basically told from his point of view, so it made sense. So the general public felt for Logan, but now, they feel for Cyclops after Wolverine basically stole her away right after her died haha

actually it does matter what they focus on, because if the GP wants it, the studio usually runs with it.. (point in case X3)

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well i would count my dad, my friends, and my brothers as the general public as all of them except my brothers had never heard of the X-men before the movies, and they picked up on it.

exactly.. your stating men.. i was stating for the most part, women...

and for some god forsaken reason i know alot of women who love hugh over marsden anyway... dont ask me why, cuz marsden is who i find attractive

 

[spideyboy_1111]

it focuses on that because wolverine is the fan favorite,

I guarentee that Singer had it in mind to have logan get rejected by Jean, making him become more of an outcast in his X3, instead of the candy cane version Ratner gave us...... we would have saw cyclops be the leader in x3, and logan be the strong badass type if Singer did it, instead we got a dead cyclops and a lolipop wolverine....

its not ratner's fault logan got with jean and lost jean in X3.. its fox's

 

[crappymovie]

actually it does matter what they focus on, because if the GP wants it, the studio usually runs with it.. (point in case X3)

Fox liked Jean and Wolverine, and they thought more Wolverine = more money. I'm not sure if the general public really wanted them together, and I don't think we can make that assumption without doing some kind of poll...But I think Cyk'es death definitely pushed it towards the "jean & scott" end...

 

[JokerNick]

its not ratner's fault logan got with jean and lost jean in X3.. its fox's

sorry, as you can see with x1 and x2, Singer had the most input about what would happen story wise, so don't give me that crap about it not being Ratners fault, yes, he hd input and could have made cahnges, that's what a director does, they change things around so the movie turns out better, so I will blame it on Ratner, Penn, Kinberg, Avi, Rothman and the Rest of Fox

it was Ratners idea to put that stupid Xavier scene in at the end, so he has creative control

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Fox liked Jean and Wolverine, and they thought more Wolverine = more money. I'm not sure if the general public really wanted them together, and I don't think we can make that assumption without doing some kind of poll...But I think Cyk'es death definitely pushed it towards the "jean & scott" end...

well its kinda late for a poll considering most who've seen x2 have already seen X3.. and poll on comic boards would be inacurate as well..

 

[spideyboy_1111]

sorry, as you can see with x1 and x2, Singer had the most input about what would happen story wise, so don't give me that crap about it not being Ratners fault, yes, he hd input and could have made cahnges, that's what a director does, they change things around so the movie turns out better, so I will blame it on Ratner, Penn, Kinberg, Avi, Rothman and the Rest of Fox

it was Ratners idea to put that stupid Xavier scene in at the end, so he has creative control

actually X1 singer had ALOT of restrictions.. but since it was the first he did have a say in story.. in X2 he had alot more freedom, but ratner didnt, the script had already been made, 2 cast members already picked, and 2 directors had came and went... he had some say, and changed what he did (like rolo, thank god) and the writers helped bring scott back into the movie.. but essential he had no say in what the studio wanted

 

[crappymovie]

well its kinda late for a poll considering most who've seen x2 have already seen X3.. and poll on comic boards would be inacurate as well..

Well then, maybe the box office numbers will work? haha jks, I don't think we'll ever know. Maybe Singer will talk about what he wanted to do with X3 one day, and we'll really know what he was trying to set up...but you're right, he could have done it either way.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well, the reason i was arguing with you Spidey is because you earlier claimed that it was heavily indicated in X2 that Jean and Logan would get together, were as me and it seems a few others on this thread think the opposite.

Now, i know quite a few women, but i dont really talk to them about movies at all actually. Of the few that i do, only my aunty thought that Logan and Jean should get together, but she also thought that Van Helsing was a fantastic movie, guess why?

 

[Angry Sentinel]

I once believed that Singer may have had a hand in Wolverine's "boostings", but After X3 I clearly see who truly drew these depiction specifications. Singer probably initially went along with Wolverine as the Focal point because he knew it would be an interesting story, but once the story was told, he was ready to move on.

For me, this is a clear case of the studio's hands. All of the 'spotlighting' Wolverine had is due to business decisions. X1, and X2 had to have them, I would have been real interested in how things were turning for the future.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

-sighs- I still would have preferred if there was more of a balance between J&S relationship and J&L's... but make J&S's relationship dominate over J&L. ?? What do you think? ... I would have liked that but damn it.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I am convinced that Singers X3 would have had much more Scott and Jean.