Out of curiosity, is there anyone around here who disliked Michael Keaton's Batman?

[WhiteRat]

This thread keeps getting even more pointless and stupid...

Indeed it has.yeah how the hell did this thread turn into a discussion about if Michael Keaton wore a bowtie in Batman?

 

[El Payaso]

The thinking is nothing. The will is everything.

 

[captain_jimbo]

KEATON FOR JIGSAW IN PUNISHER 2 !
KEATON AND CAVIEZEL FOR DARK KNIGHT RETURNS !

Now you're talking bud!

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I love Keaton. He's one of the greatest over achievers anywhere....and I admite that.

Apart from physically....there were a few things that bothered me about his Batman. The fact that he hardly spoke, and when he spoke...his voice.

 

[captain_jimbo]

I love Keaton. He's one of the greatest over achievers anywhere....and I admite that.

Apart from physically....there were a few things that bothered me about his Batman. The fact that he hardly spoke, and when he spoke...his voice.

Just out of curiosity, what didn't you like about his voice?

 

[Bat Attack]

Oh no...

 

[captain_jimbo]

Oh no...

No I'm not trying to start anything, seriously, I just wondered.

 

[LongDong]

Indeed it has.yeah how the hell did this thread turn into a discussion about if Michael Keaton wore a bowtie in Batman?

ONE guess my friend, one guess.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

Micheal Keaton may not have been as big as Bale, but, Keaton is the BEST Batman ever!!! He just got the voice and spirit of Batman right.

Really...? I think he got Burton's Batman right. Which is not necessarily a bad thing thing. It worked for the movie.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Just out of curiosity, what didn't you like about his voice?

Just to let everyone know.....I'm not here to be a prick or anything. Just putting that out there.......

Keaton's voice sounded more like a whisper to me......it seemed like if it wasn't very quiet, it could be hard to hear him. He did speak up, though, but when he did...I felt his voice was too recognizable. One scene that comes to mind is the scene after the chase with Joker's henchmen. After Vicki comes down, it sounded like Bruce with the "You weigh a little more..." line.

That would be my only gripe with his performance, honestly. I'm a huge fan of Keaton......he was the first Real Batman, I think.

Which, is why I don't make such a big deal about it.....before Keaton, there never was a "Batman" voice.....just Bruce in a mask. That's one of the reason's it's not a big deal to me. I know through Tim's commentary on the SE that the voice was something they had to think about.

I guess I'm saying it'd be hard for me to see Mike use the voice with another type of dialouge.

Really...? I think he got Burton's Batman right. Which is not necessarily a bad thing thing. It worked for the movie.

I'll say this....Bale is exactly like the Batman I know from the comics.

 

[mister Lennon]

Serioulsy, i dont know what the people see in Keaton's performance. The guy played another thing , not Bruce Wayne. I want see a Bruce Wayne with two or three super models in a party and that kind of things, not some dork insecure with women.

And totally agree with whiterat. He is totally right. Batman is supposed to be tall and scary and impossing, not some short guy in a bat costume. Keaton was totally misscasted.

 

[El Payaso]

Serioulsy, i dont know what the people see in Keaton's performance. The guy played another thing , not Bruce Wayne. I want see a Bruce Wayne with two or three super models in a party and that kind of things, not some dork insecure with women.

Why?

Bruce spent his whole life training and never had a normal life dating women and such until he was an adult, therefore he most probably is insecure about social skills.

The thing with Bale's Bruce is that he must pretend he's a womanizer and a playboy and such.

That doesn't destroy the excellent Burton/Keaton approach.

And totally agree with whiterat. He is totally right. Batman is supposed to be tall and scary and impossing, not some short guy in a bat costume. Keaton was totally misscasted.

That's like saying, Batman should wear an bullet-proof suit, not some rubber suit. It is rubber in real life. In the movies is bullet-proof.

Your reasoning reminds me that SNL gag where Donner (Belushi) was casting a Superman and the actors should have x-rays in their eyes and being able to actually catch a bullet in mid air to fit the role.

If I see Bale in his bat-suit in the middle of the city I'd probably laugh. Thanks to movie making magic, he looks scary.

Keaton's Batman was all what you say the same way Chris Reeve was able to fly.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

Well there is a balance. Keaton doesn't have to be imposing in real life, to be intimidating and scary in a Batman movie...but what I think the TRUE argument is...is that you want the LOOK of character from the source to be true to the on screen version of the character. Would it be totally acceptable with you, Payaso, if they put a middle aged fat guy, who can act...and told him to play Peter Parker? People want, and deserve the look of the character to be similar to the character of the comics. It's like casting a short blonde hair dude, as Superman. It doesn't seem right, and doesn't seem TOTALLY believeable.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Serioulsy, i dont know what the people see in Keaton's performance. The guy played another thing , not Bruce Wayne. I want see a Bruce Wayne with two or three super models in a party and that kind of things, not some dork insecure with women.

See....that's the thing. His Bruce Wayne.....it's alot like Micahel is. He's a funny guy, and his "lighter" Bruce showed that. His darker Bruce, though, was pretty cool....although....seemed very much crazy. IMO.

And totally agree with whiterat. He is totally right. Batman is supposed to be tall and scary and impossing, not some short guy in a bat costume. Keaton was totally misscasted.

Well, listening to the commentary from Burton.....it's part of the reason he cast Keaton.

The way Tim saw it, Bruce NEEDS the batsuit for a reason.....to scare people. His concept wasn't as deep as Nolan's......but he got the idea right. Bruce needs the suit to intimidate people. Tim saw that idea as an opportunity to cast someone who would REALLY REALLY need the suit badly......which, a 5'9 140 lbs (soaking wet) Keaton fit into.

I agree though...Bats should be atleast 6'0....but, listening to Tim plead his case on the SE....sense for what he was approaching.

Why?

Bruce spent his whole life training and never had a normal life dating women and such until he was an adult, therefore he most probably is insecure about social skills.

Try and understand where he's coming from.......the Bruce Wayne from the source material doesn't behave that way. It seemed more in tune with Clark Kent, than Bruce Wayne. That's all.

The thing with Bale's Bruce is that he must pretend he's a womanizer and a playboy and such.

Yup. That's the way.

That doesn't destroy the excellent Burton/Keaton approach.

Agreedd......but, it does not make it faitful to the source either.

That's like saying, Batman should wear an bullet-proof suit, not some rubber suit. It is rubber in real life. In the movies is bullet-proof.

You might have a point there. Mike's height/size didn't really bother me throughout the film......it bothered me sometimes....but the film was shot in a way that it didn't really matter.

If I see Bale in his bat-suit in the middle of the city I'd probably laugh. Thanks to movie making magic, he looks scary.

In the middle of the city.....yeah.

But, at 3 am in a dark dampy, ill lighted alley.....that's another.....

Well there is a balance. Keaton doesn't have to be imposing in real life, to be intimidating and scary in a Batman movie...but what I think the TRUE argument is...is that you want the LOOK of character from the source to be true to the on screen version of the character. Would it be totally acceptable with you, Payaso, if they put a middle aged fat guy, who can act...and told him to play Peter Parker? People want, and deserve the look of the character to be similar to the character of the comics. It's like casting a short blonde hair dude, as Superman. It doesn't seem right, and doesn't seem TOTALLY believeable.

Yes, your right.

 

[WhiteRat]

Well there is a balance. Keaton doesn't have to be imposing in real life, to be intimidating and scary in a Batman movie...but what I think the TRUE argument is...is that you want the LOOK of character from the source to be true to the on screen version of the character. Would it be totally acceptable with you, Payaso, if they put a middle aged fat guy, who can act...and told him to play Peter Parker? People want, and deserve the look of the character to be similar to the character of the comics. It's like casting a short blonde hair dude, as Superman. It doesn't seem right, and doesn't seem TOTALLY believeable.

Well said,that doesnt seem to be a concept that Payaso seems to be able to grasp though.

 

[The Kid]

Well I see it as being dependent on how they do it in the movie. Ian Mckellen is a old man who loves men, and you'd think he wasn't a threat, but in the movies i've seen him in, he's imposing, powerful, even scary at times, unrecognizable from his pink sweater-wearing real self. So if they cast a chunky guy to play spidey and somehow on film he didn't seem so chunky and exactly captured the spirit of our sharp witted webhead, that's cool with me. Most of his part's really played by a stunt double or computer graphic anyway, heh... ;-)

 

[Whack Arnolds]

You are a lying bastard Wesyeed(j/k)...

You are lying through your teeth if you say you'd completely believe that. Let's get Drew Carey or another heavy, wrong aged person to to play Spider-Man...and let's say he actually played him decently... you know damn well no one would believe it (including you). And it would be a direct slap in the face of the true fans of the character by not even trying to have someone cast that represents the look of the character. Ian Mckellen's sexuality has nothing to do with ANYTHING. Ian Mckellen LOOKS like your typical Magneto drawing...he doesn't LOOK like someone completely different. Regardless of how good the actor is, you have to have a balance when potraying these characters on screen. Good actor? Yes... but he also has to at least resemble the character, and Michael Keaton's Bruce Wayne / Batman (while being pretty cool)...didn't resemble the character in the slightest. Michael Keaton looked like the only battle he SHOULD be fighting is the traffic to get to his 10 year old's soccer game. He didn't look like a young, handsome, strapping, athletic playboy who just spent years honing his body and skills in an effort to wage an all out "War on Crime" in the most corrupt city IN THE WORLD.

There is a difference, please believe that. No can argue about Keaton's performance, itself. It was actually pretty good, but he still can't entirely represent the character, without having ANY simalrities in terms of look to the comic book counterpart.

 

[The Kid]

eehh... i'm not lying or even trying to. OK it'd be a really loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong stretch to believe a fat spidey could do whatever a fat spider can, but it's not cumpletely impossible... I think...That's what my opinion is. The fatness can be somehow made to look less fat on film like mckellen's old age and body (who doesn't very much look like the big guy with the bulging muscles in the comics and has so many wrinkles...) and we'd see him come close enough, I'd be ok with it. That's my personal view. I'm ok if others don't share it. I wouldn't say Keaton from 89 looked too far off from wayne or bats in the books. His biggest lack was the bulging biceps and such, but I didn't care. He acted like batman, had the jaw and the suit had the muscles so it was fine for me. I don't know what more I can say.

 

[Dr. Fate]

And now for something completely different - can you imagine Christopher Reeve wearing the black body armor Batman suit?

 

[DocLathropBrown]

"Arguing on the internet is just like winning the special olympics. Either way, you're still ******ed."

That's a quote you should all keep in mind.

 

[El Payaso]

Well there is a balance. Keaton doesn't have to be imposing in real life, to be intimidating and scary in a Batman movie...but what I think the TRUE argument is...is that you want the LOOK of character from the source to be true to the on screen version of the character. Would it be totally acceptable with you, Payaso, if they put a middle aged fat guy, who can act...and told him to play Peter Parker? People want, and deserve the look of the character to be similar to the character of the comics. It's like casting a short blonde hair dude, as Superman. It doesn't seem right, and doesn't seem TOTALLY believeable.

Yes, you have to keep the basics. Don't hire a woman for Superman, don't hire a dead guy for Wonder Woman, etc. Keaton was a 30 something guy as Batman is suppsoed to be. He just lacks of the handsome look. That can be surpassed in the context of the narrative.

Now... I didn't like Tobey's Peter Parker. It was nothing like the Peter I see in Spiderman comics. It was more like the 'universal' nerd. But the acting was opk, and Raimi did movies about nerds with those movies. He got really in the nerd vibe there and in that context, Maguire was right.

Same with Burton/Keaton.

Anyway, faithfulness woth the main source has proven to have no relationship with the quality of the movie once and again.

Well said,that doesnt seem to be a concept that Payaso seems to be able to grasp though.

Too good for you there was someone else able to articulate some ideas.

"Arguing on the internet is just like winning the special olympics. Either way, you're still ******ed."

That's a quote you should all keep in mind.

I'll memorize that if you keep in mind this:

"If you have nothing to do, don't do it here."

 

[Dcknight]

The thinking is nothing. The will is everything.

j't'ai cassé!

 

[mister Lennon]

Lets see, first of all, i want to clear something that i posted before. I wanted to say that Dolph Lundgren had a good Physchal and bad acting skills. And for the person who said that He was a good actor, only show me a movie with a good performance of Dolph Lundgren, only one.

Second of all, for me , the ian mackellen example is totally wrong because his sexuality doesnt matter, his phsichal yes. And he looked like magneto , he is little older as magneto is, but he looked the part much more than keaton did.

Third and about the main issue of the thread, for me, to say that Keaton and Burton wanted to do his own thing and version of batman isnt valid. For me, and for a lot of fans batman and bruce wayne should be tall and athletich and handsome, and if they dont bring me that, that character isnt batman or isnt bruce wayne. I dont want to see a tim burton version of batman and a michael keaton playing batman, i want to see batman on screen and batman himself. That was what nolan did and christian bale did, not burton and keaton.

 

[LongDong]

Yes, you have to keep the basics. Don't hire a woman for Superman, don't hire a dead guy for Wonder Woman, etc. Keaton was a 30 something guy as Batman is suppsoed to be. He just lacks of the handsome look. That can be surpassed in the context of the narrative.

Now... I didn't like Tobey's Peter Parker. It was nothing like the Peter I see in Spiderman comics. It was more like the 'universal' nerd. But the acting was opk, and Raimi did movies about nerds with those movies. He got really in the nerd vibe there and in that context, Maguire was right.

Same with Burton/Keaton.

Anyway, faithfulness woth the main source has proven to have no relationship with the quality of the movie once and again.



Too good for you there was someone else able to articulate some ideas.



I'll memorize that if you keep in mind this:

"If you have nothing to do, don't do it here."

Out of curiosity where are you from dude? WHat other languages do you speak?

 

[LongDong]

"Arguing on the internet is just like winning the special olympics. Either way, you're still ******ed."

That's a quote you should all keep in mind.

Come on don't be an ass, this is a place where people are debating and expressing opinions, not a thread like the video game ones where scumbags throw insults at each other. Don't try to stir **** up man, if that is your game just go away and let the debate continue.