Outsourcing

Outsourcing

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You try having a conversation with someone named Datu or Dalisy or Benjie or Banalay (real names). They're told to give American names to make the conversation easier.

What do you mean try? We already are having a conversation with somebody named benjay, domi, or banalay. And the name joe doesn't get rid of their accents.

One of the biggest corps in my city outsourced some of their jobs about 10 years ago, but rather than send the jobs over there they brought a bunch of indians over here. The layoffs cause a couple suicides, and what used to be a welcoming complex got changed to security checkpoints and anti-scaling fences. I don't want to sound racist, but they smelled. Seriously a coworker fainted cause one of them was so bad.
 
What do you mean try? We already are having a conversation with somebody named benjay, domi, or banalay. And the name joe doesn't get rid of their accents.

Exactly. So why complain that they don't use their brith names?

One of the biggest corps in my city outsourced some of their jobs about 10 years ago, but rather than send the jobs over there they brought a bunch of indians over here. The layoffs cause a couple suicides, and what used to be a welcoming complex got changed to security checkpoints and anti-scaling fences. I don't want to sound racist, but they smelled. Seriously a coworker fainted cause one of them was so bad.

Uhm... If they were brought over to the US then they weren't outsourced they were imported. Unless your company was doing something illegal they would've had to pay those workers at least minimum wage.

Also, the American nostril is not used to exotic smells and culturual differences. I refuse to accept ignorance as a good enough reason to not outsource.
 
Statistically international representatives in the fields of sales, billing, and techincal support have higher levels of productivity and on average have higher quality scores.

They have a better ability to follow instructions. I don't know if you've worked in a call center before but imagine having 900 agents that do exactly what you say when you say it and the way you say it should be done.

Now imagine having to pay 4 times the amount that you paid those 900 foreign agents for 300 American college kids who spend all their cash on smoking weed and can't even remember who their supervisor is on a day to day basis. :huh:

I'm not saying that Americans are worthless I'm saying that international call centers make the numbers look good and that is what CEOs like. Numbers.

Indeed it may look good but the reality is my Indian counter parts are useless....
 
Indeed it may look good but the reality is my Indian counter parts are useless....

Walrus is talking about the overall picture....not people you or someone else might work with individually
 
Exactly. So why complain that they don't use their brith names?

cause it insulting to be lied to like that and actually expect us to believe that is their name.
Uhm... If they were brought over to the US then they weren't outsourced they were imported. Unless your company was doing something illegal they would've had to pay those workers at least minimum wage.

Also, the American nostril is not used to exotic smells and culturual differences. I refuse to accept ignorance as a good enough reason to not outsource.
correct they received at least minimum wage, but the company that was used was based in India (you know to keep them from getting tricky things like benefits) So the corp. paid the indian company which in turn paid it's workers in a contract labor kind of thing. i believe it was still outsourcing because while i think it still would keep the money in our GNP. We'd still lose it from our GDP
 
cause it insulting to be lied to like that and actually expect us to believe that is their name.

correct they received at least minimum wage, but the company that was used was based in India (you know to keep them from getting tricky things like benefits) So the corp. paid the indian company which in turn paid it's workers in a contract labor kind of thing. i believe it was still outsourcing because while i think it still would keep the money in our GNP. We'd still lose it from our GDP

but we're not talking about GDP or GNP....the crux here is a private company doing things to maximize profit...they might be actions you or I do not agree with, but they are legal and they have the right to do them
 
but we're not talking about GDP or GNP....the crux here is a private company doing things to maximize profit...they might be actions you or I do not agree with, but they are legal and they have the right to do them

No he said they that the company was importing not outsourcing. While its true the workers were brought over here, the country still lost the money. Which is where the GDP/GNP came in. I hate that there's supposedly a difference in importing jobs and outsourcing. While yes you bring workers here money is still lost that wouldn't be if you kept it in American's hands to begin with
 
No he said they that the company was importing not outsourcing. While its true the workers were brought over here, the country still lost the money. Which is where the GDP/GNP came in. I hate that there's supposedly a difference in importing jobs and outsourcing. While yes you bring workers here money is still lost that wouldn't be if you kept it in American's hands to begin with

The company itself still makes a profit because they are saving money on labor

People tend to see a company as a person that should act a certain way and that is totally never the case
 
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The company itself still makes a profit because they are saving money on labor

People tend to see a comapny as a person that should act a certain way and that is totally never the case

Indeed

Which is terrible because companies that are not bound by a person, or rather human moral compass frack everything up for selfish gain. :csad:
 
The company itself still makes a profit because they are saving money on labor

People tend to see a comapny as a person that should act a certain way and that is totally never the case

you still don't understand I'm not arguing "outsourcing bad" I'm saying "Importing has almost (keyword almost) the same effect as outsourcing" And i don't think people should say they are different. It should be called outsourcing and outsourcing lite.
 
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I'd like to hire a small Asian or Indian child to do my posts which would include but not limited to jokes at other poster's expense, picture posts and the occasional sexual innuendo, as I've been kind of busy and not around the last few days. :up:
 
Americans are lazy. Selfish gain? What else is gain though?
 
I'd like to hire a small Asian or Indian child to do my posts which would include but not limited to jokes at other poster's expense, picture posts and the occasional sexual innuendo, as I've been kind of busy and not around the last few days. :up:

you should get one of those kids from the spelling bee. I was watching it on ESPN earlier today and the majority of the kids are Asian or Indian.
 
Indeed

Which is terrible because companies that are not bound by a person, or rather human moral compass frack everything up for selfish gain. :csad:

Just don't forget that we as consumers reap the benefits of that selfish gain.
 
I'll have to dig for the article I read, but someone did a breakdown of what a Dell or HP laptop would cost if it was completely produced in the US...it was something like 3 or 4 thousand dollars....Ill see if I can find it and post it here
 
In our society we do not pay the real cost or producing and distributing consumer goods. There is a very interesting presentation about it at storyofstuff.com, i highly recommend it.
 
In our society we do not pay the real cost or producing and distributing consumer goods. There is a very interesting presentation about it at <a href="http://www.storyofstuff.com/" target="_blank">storyofstuff.com</a>, i highly recommend it.

Corporations are a necessary evil. They are obviously needed for the economy to continue to thrive as it is.
And while I appreciate her grossly biased liberal viewpoints that don't take anything into consideration... They aren't practical. They are gross misrepresentations of actual facts and they never, ever, posit a practical solution to this "evil system" that blames the government for every one of our problems. She explains that extraction is wrong because we take more than "our fair share" as though the world was an equal playing field were we're given a "share" of the Earth.

She goes on to speak about production and complains about evil addititves that make us sick... Which don't seem to be bothering me all that much. :huh: Then she goes on to explain that the costs of our goods are being paid for by 3rd world nations.
It's because there's such a gross double standard and she proved my point, although I doubt she intended to.
The double standard?

Third World countries pay with there "lives" by dedicating themselves to a job that they hate. Well me too.
The benefit is that we get cheaper products... and you know what. We do! It's a good benefit. I like my products cheaper. I'm just thinking you like them too. She talks about our "disposable economy" and makes some errors about upgrading computers and talks about making people throw junk away so that new stuff can be purchased.

You know what. I'm okay with that. I'm okay with us continuing to produce and consume and produce and consume. You know why? Because when the consumption shops and we are no longer throwing stuff away... People are no longer producing stuff. Guess what... That means your jobs get place in a situation of jeopardy. This is basically an attempt to attack capitalism by telling us how we should be less concerned with spending and shopping and making money flow around. OUR economy is run by money though without spending and shopping corporations don't make money, and if they don't have money they start laying US off. You didn't shop and now you don't have a job.

She makes it seem like what we should be doing is "just stop"ing that viscious circle of work, spend, work, spend. In reality though you spend to have jobs available and you work to be able to pay for things that you need. Baby formula costs. Clothes cost. The economy as it is now NEEDS your spending and my spending so that we all have jobs.

Now, I'm not saying that she should be so easily dismissed she does bring up interesting points, some that are halfway truthful. :whatever: What I am saying is that her opinion is so obviously biased towards a world that doesn't exist and cannot pratically exist and it is painfully obvious that her hatred is really aimed at the basic economic structure of our society.
The big problem is in her "ANOTHER WAY" section. She wants us to remove "disposal" and she lists all kinds of great new ways to fix the problem in the last 40 SECONDS of a 20 minute and 40 second video. She complained for 20 minutes about how horrible the system was and attempted to fix the problem with the last 40 seconds of her chat there.

This is the problem, she is okay with presenting the problems in the current system but won't even mention the new idea long enough to find its flaws, which I assure you are many.

I'm all for a new way of the world working, but liberally biased slash-media isn't going to get that done.
 
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you should get one of those kids from the spelling bee. I was watching it on ESPN earlier today and the majority of the kids are Asian or Indian.

Those guys can take a paper clip and a AA battery and turn it into a thermo reactor.
 
I think both are true, but I sympathise more with 4.

-- FunBob
 
I went with 6. I mean, I'm not a fan of outsourcing, especially with so many people here without work but at the same time, if I was running a corporation, it makes too much ****ing sense.
 
okay i don't give a damn about the definitions, so haven't read them. here's how i see outsourcing.

people who work outsource jobs aren't slaves. the job is preferable to other jobs in their country and reletively well paid. it spreads the wealth to those countries, but it also takes money from the lower classes of the companies home country. now eventually unions will start in the country being outsource to as they get wealthier. companies will then move on to an other country untill there's no countries left. this is if free markets are allowed to be free markets ofcourse. bottom line is owners and share holders get more money then the will ever spend. money gets devalued. poor get poorer but get cheaper goods and services. they can only hope the market in their country has moved to the point where they can still get a job.
 
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