Paranormal Activity

[omid17]

No the demon will hunt the next chick who moves into the house.

Cause you know someone was brutally murdered, but they will still clean it up and auction it off. They will just leave out one minor detail. You know how those things work in the movies.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

Gimme the CarFax.

 

[Heretic]

The house is not haunted by the demon. The demon does not care one bit about that house, or who lives there.

That said, most of the people who enjoyed this movie overlooked all of the details the movie laid out, and created their own in their heads to make sense of the ending...so most people who liked this will gladly assume that the house was haunted.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

TAC is the only one who has claimed the house was haunted and he didn't like the movie. You keep insisting your opinion of this movie is right rather than what it is: your opinion.

 

[omid17]

Paramount may produce 'Paranormal Activity' sequel

 

[Heretic]

TAC is the only one who has claimed the house was haunted and he didn't like the movie. You keep insisting your opinion of this movie is right rather than what it is: your opinion.

Good, glad to see that TAC didnt like it either...my point remains that people who liked this are likely to accept any stupid excuse for a sequel...since they accepted one of the dumbest endings I've ever seen.

Actually, my opinions about this are FACTS. I can back up every opinion I have of this movie with dialogue and video straight from the film.

Can I prove that what made the demon stronger was communicating, threats and the ouija board? Of course. thats right there in the movie. Can anyone prove that the camera made it stronger? No.

However, if the camera DID make it stronger, then the demon would LOVE that camera for helping it...making the ending EVEN DUMBER. So, those of you who use the "camera made the demon stronger" argument to defend the ending make no sense.

Can I prove my theory about the ending? of course...as the final shot is clearly portraying movement in a certain direction. In order to prove me wrong you have to assume that the film was cut off, movement was stopped, a different movement was set in motion, and blah blah. I am basing my opinion SOLELY on the final image we see, not what I assume must have happened afterward. My ending is stupid, I admit...and I do contend that the movie's ending was very, very stupid. I do NOT invent something after the fact or something that happened off screen to excuse that ending.

Can I prove that the scares were given away by the commercials? Oh yeah.

Can I prove that the scares were further given away by the spooky sounds? Yep. Its right there.

The bottom line is this...if you could not figure out when something scary was going to happen, then you are a mindless movie viewer. Only once in the film does something even remotely scary happen without the following set up: Sped up film slows to normal...wait a few seconds...noises and sounds...wait a few seconds...scary thing happens. Once the film is half over, everyone knew that routine...and everyone knew from the commercials which scares hadnt happened yet...so it was easy to figure out which scare was next. If you were continuously shocked by the scares, or surprised by the events, then really...you havent seen enough horror films to critique things objectively.

 

[The Dark Defender]

I don't think that the ending was stupid, but I'm not overly interested in a sequel.

The film doesn't really lend itself to one, and it wouldn't surprise me if it bombed anyway.

Look at Blair Witch 2...and PA won't top out as high as Blair Witch 1.

 

[Crook]

Actually, my opinions about this are FACTS. I can back up every opinion I have of this movie with dialogue and video straight from the film.

That doesn't even make sense, lol.

You can have opinions on facts of the movie, but in and of itself is still a subjective viewpoint.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

Most people don't walk into theaters with checklists of what they already know, like you apparently do. Some just actually watch and experience the movie while it happens. And the fact that you've seen the scares doesn't necessarily make them less scary to see again. Seeing them in context of the film and not a clip montage has a different affect.

As has been said, the sounds weren't "give aways" for a lot of the audience. They were tension builders. Yes, you knew something was about to go down. But you didn't know what (unless you brought your checklist).

Has the "attack the audience/camera" bit been done? Yes. Do those 2 seconds completely shatter the movie? Not for me.

Honestly though, only one of your opinions has really bothered me Heretic. And that's you think this movie relied on jump scares. That just shows me how little you understood what was going on. Quick cuts, sudden movements and loud noises are the tools used to engineer those kind of scares. This movie had none of those with the exception of [blackout]Micah being thrown at the camera[/blackout] and [blackout]the loud crash before the moving chandelier.[/blackout]. The rest are simply to unsettle you and ask yourself wtf is going on to these people.

 

[Heretic]

That doesn't even make sense, lol.

You can have opinions on facts of the movie, but in and of itself is still a subjective viewpoint.

I was using the term as a lead in that my opinions are more than just opinions. My entire point was that someone calling them opinions makes no sense. Glad to know you agree.

 

[Crook]

I was using the term as a lead in that my opinions are more than just opinions. My entire point was that someone calling them opinions makes no sense. Glad to know you agree.

You've misunderstood. Saying the movie had lead-in cues would be a fact. Saying it was stupid and ruined the movie would be an opinion.

Nothing in your rant was about fact. It was entirely your subjective position on what was presented by the film.

 

[Dark Victory]

Please, my mother was there with me and my girlfriend. She claims to have played with Ouija boards throughout college and seen **** burst into flames

Spoiler

like the board did

, as well as seeing her roommate dragged through the halls in college

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much like Katie.

Even still, this movie didn't creep her out THAT much.

Atheist, Christian, Hindu, Jewish, the movie's just not that scary.

It sounds like you're trying to condescend, but I've never been scared by any supernatural film -- demons, ghosts, you name it -- with the exception of The Shining and maybe a few others I can't think of, off the top of my head.. Once I hear God or Satan in a horror film, it usually becomes off-putting.

 

[Heretic]

Honestly though, only one of your opinions has really bothered me Heretic. And that's you think this movie relied on jump scares. That just shows me how little you understood what was going on. Quick cuts, sudden movements and loud noises are the tools used to engineer those kind of scares. This movie had none of those with the exception of [blackout]Micah being thrown at the camera[/blackout] and [blackout]the loud crash before the moving chandelier.[/blackout]. The rest are simply to unsettle you and ask yourself wtf is going on to these people.

This film relied more on creating a mood than jump scares. I do recall saying that the films jump scares dont work, but that wasnt all the film was going for. My issue is that the film was all about MOOD. It wanted to put the viewer in the position of the couple because this movie is "really happening". It was quite effective at that, which is why people jumped at stupid things like blankets moving, even though the noises warned them that it would happen. The jump scares were lame...but the overall mood of the film is what sold them. My audience did jump at the blankets moving and other things that wouldnt make them jump during any other film, and the mood/reality style is what did that. My issue is that the ending takes that mood, the reality it created, and throws it all away for a cheap, cliche' jump scare. A movie should not sacrifice all it has built for one big scare...and of course the studio is to blame for that bad decision.

I will say a few good things about the movie:

I bought into the decisions. A lot of the haters of this film say that the characters did things no person would ever do. I can TOTALLY see a man making Micah's decisions. When guys feel helpless, they play tough...especially when their girl is involved...and especially if that guy is not typically considered strong. I know plenty of people who have read one book about a subject, called that "research" and assumed they were experts that knew how to tackle the issue.

I bought their relationship. The guy reminded me a lot of a friend of mine. The girl seemed like a normal chick. They looked the part and the acting was fine.

I bought the general tone. Like I said, I was sold on the mood, until the final scene blew it big time. It mixed comedy with the tension, which was good.

I like the attempt. The film has proven that a Blair Witch type hoax can happen again on the movie going public. The hype for this film is what packed theaters, and people were so ready to be scared to death that a swinging chandelier was absolutely terrifying to the crowd I watched this with. Good job on that. It was a different kind of movie, and my hope is that more attempts to go outside the box will result in this...unfortunately, the sequel will likely be a big budget CGI-fest about demons killing teenagers...

 

[Dark Victory]

No the demon will hunt the next chick who moves into the house.

Cause you know someone was brutally murdered, but they will still clean it up and auction it off. They will just leave out one minor detail. You know how those things work in the movies.

You do know that the demon was with the girl for all of her life, as if she was born with it, and that the house wasn't simply haunted, right?

 

[Crook]

Evidently not. For someone critiquing the film so harshly, it's ironically hilarious how one could miss a blatant plot point that was explicitly mentioned in the film more than twice.

 

[Heretic]

You've misunderstood. Saying the movie had lead-in cues would be a fact. Saying it was stupid and ruined the movie would be an opinion.

Nothing in your rant was about fact. It was entirely your subjective position on what was presented by the film.

Nothing abut my post was fact???

The commercials didnt give away the scares?? REALLY????

The demon didnt get stronger through communication and ouija board??? the film clearly stated that this was happening. This cannot be opinion. IT IS STATED IN THE MOVIE BY THE ONLY EXPERT IN THE FILM.

I know you want me to be wrong, but every "opinion" of mine is backed up by the film you are defending...meanwhile you have to invent scenes that didnt happen and overlook scenes that did to "prove" me wrong.

Lets stop inventing scenes and take the film based solely on what it says and shows.

 

[Dark Victory]

Evidently not. For someone critiquing the film so harshly, it's ironically hilarious how one could miss a blatant plot point that was explicitly mentioned in the film more than twice.

Haha, very true.

Though, I do agree with TAC on one thing: horror films with strong plots

 

[Poetic Chaos]

You've misunderstood. Saying the movie had lead-in cues would be a fact. Saying it was stupid and ruined the movie would be an opinion.

Nothing in your rant was about fact. It was entirely your subjective position on what was presented by the film.

Nothing abut my post was fact???
The commercials didnt give away the scares?? REALLY????

 

[Crook]

Nothing abut my post was fact???

The commercials didnt give away the scares?? REALLY????

Wow. I'm baffled. Were you trying to look like a dimwit here? This was in my SECOND sentence that you JUST quoted:

Saying the movie had lead-in cues would be a fact.

The demon didnt get stronger through communication and ouija board??? the film clearly stated that this was happening. This cannot be opinion. IT IS STATED IN THE MOVIE BY THE ONLY EXPERT IN THE FILM.

Either explain the point of your rambling or stop saying the word "opinion" in the completely wrong fashion. I don't recall anyone dismissing what happened directly in the film, so repeating it and referring to them as proof of your opinions is beyond pointless.

I know you want me to be wrong, but every "opinion" of mine is backed up by the film you are defending...meanwhile you have to invent scenes that didnt happen and overlook scenes that did to "prove" me wrong.

Lets stop inventing scenes and take the film based solely on what it says and shows.

Where the f**k did I "invent" scenes? I have not once even referred to the movie at all in this discussion. Get over yourself. I don't care enough to try and "prove" you wrong.

 

[Heretic]

believe me Poetic...Im also laughing at anyone who actually got scared by anything that happened in that movie.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

believe me Poetic...Im also laughing at anyone who actually got scared by anything that happened in that movie.

Or when people say they were shaking and scared to go to bed cause of paranoia

 

[Jennifer Walters]

As someone who has seen a ghost, experienced unexplained stuff in multiple places. This scared the living crap out of me.

I'm also an atheist, so that's that as well.

Oh, and it'd figure TAC wouldn't find this a good movie. He sported a House of Wax avatar (and not the Vincent Price one, the Paris Hilton one.)

 

[Heretic]

Wow. I'm baffled. Were you trying to look like a dimwit here? This was in my SECOND sentence that you JUST quoted:





Either explain the point of your rambling or stop saying the word "opinion" in the completely wrong fashion. I don't recall anyone dismissing what happened directly in the film, so repeating it and referring to them as proof of your opinions is beyond pointless.


Where the f**k did I "invent" scenes? I have not once even referred to the movie at all in this discussion. Get over yourself. I don't care enough to try and "prove" you wrong.

I am not calling my opinions, opinions...you are. I am calling my stance FACT. Facts that are backed up by the movie. My OPINION is that the movie is not scary, but it is a FACT that things I say happen in the film, actually happen in the film.

You are joining a discussion that is several pages long, critiquing my stance, and then backing away from what I am arguing against. if you are calling what Im saying wrong, then you believe what I am arguing against. If you dont believe these things...then why are you poking your head in???

The people (unlike you) who ARE claiming that my facts are wrong ARE inventing scenes to back themselves up, and forgetting scenes in teh film that back me up.

Again...I'll repeat this since you seem to not pick up details (a requirement for liking this movie)

I said that the movies scares were given away by the commercials and the sounds the preceded them. If you disagree with that...well...you are wrong.

I said that the ending showed [BLACKOUT]the girl attacking the camera with her mouth...a clear assault on the viewers of the tape...and that makes no sense in the context of the film.[/BLACKOUT] Some have explained that away stating that the entity was angry about the camera and that the camera gave it strength (and that it likely did things after the movie ended that prove me wrong). I am RARELY angered by things that empower me to achieve my goals...and I will continue to go along with what the ending showed, not what might have happened afterward. I KNOW what made the entity stronger, because the movie clearly tells us what does (hint: it isnt the camera).

If you DONT disagree with that, then you agree that what you are calling opinions are facts...which is what Ive been saying all along.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

This movie managed to scare the hell out of me for certain. I know it's fake, though it's hilarious at how everyone thinks it's real .I am a believer in the paranormal, be it ghosts or demons, so while I'll sleep just fine tonight, I don't doubt it could happen.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

Oh, and it'd figure TAC wouldn't find this a good movie. He sported a House of Wax avatar (and not the Vincent Price one, the Paris Hilton one.)

Funny, how everyone brings that up, like shes a main character or something.

I didn't like this movie, everyone doesn't need to get pissy and attack the stuff I do like.