Partially resolved...but

[T'Jai]

Dew Was Kind enough to confirm my Identity (or at least that I am not Wams)and allow another post on the same subject (Which she will monitor so...), However There is the small matter of my claim which some posters said they would clear up when they get their old previews out... So...
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[Dew k. Mosi]

The first attempt to flame, and or troll in this thread will result in the troll being given probation. Savvy, poppets?

 

[Morg]

Banned--Dew

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

This is by far, the wierdiest thread I have ever entered ever.

 

[T'Jai]

But it's some kinda wacky fun huh...discovered a friend's friend was a mod and Voila!! instant proof on one point,just wait till the proof comes back on point 2
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[Katsuro]

I really dont see the point of any of this. You come here, claiming your work was plagurized with no evidence, and expect us to beleive you? Come on, what were you hoping for? I just dont get what you hope to accomplish other than starting a huge argument. I mean, what would you think if some anonymous guy on some random forum started yelling about that day he met a young Stan Lee in a coffee shop and told him his idea about a guy with the powers of a spider, only to see it published weeks later? What would you think?

 

[T'Jai]

This is the part where (for the umpteenth time ) I state that I Am Not Wams as proven by a Mod who incidentally shut this: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237460
thread down because people were flaming etc.
and did you read that thread? At the end it was stated that several people involved in the argument had the previews in question and were going to look up and post said pics as soon as they are able.

Knowing the enjoyment I gain from confrontation, and that I could verify his statement Wams asked that I come on and "take all comers" as it were. I was hoping for an enjoyable online debate with point and counterpoint...so much for that. I agree said person in cofee shop would need some sort of proof if he were to make such a claim and as certain key pieces of evidence are still missing we await the research of others(whom I'd like to take this oppurtunity to thank despite the fact that their primary aim is to shut me up), the only problem I still forsee is that of dating the work as I'm sure many will still claim the pic inconclusive...

Ordinarily I would hope that as I have not misrepresented myself at all a few might accept my word ... my experience on this board has led me to believe that a slim proposition at best.

alas I fear I shall have to ford that river upon it's arrival in my path

 

[Morg]

*waves fist* Curse you Dew!!!

 

[Joker]

I would just like to say I never really thought he was Wams, although it was a possibility. I could get a friend to post anything I wanted them to as well though, so it still proves nothing to me. BTW, I couldn't find my old preveiws, I just recently moved and they're all packed away somewhere. I'll take a look again before I go to bed though.

 

[Motown Marvel]

can someone at least post the cassaday pic that was allegedly ripped off of wams art?

 

[Two-Face]

Sorry but what is the point this and what is it got to do with Batman comics?

Can't you deal with a mod over PM?

 

[Fledermaus]

This is the Cassaday.-----------------------------------------------------------This is Wams.

The only thing alike is the Bat-symbol. And it's identical to the one on the Mattel Batman Begins figures:

 

[T'Jai]

Sorry but what is the point this and what is it got to do with Batman comics?

Can't you deal with a mod over PM?

This is the third derivative thread on the subject.

This is where it started.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122016&page=162

This is where I began my involvement.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...d.php?t=237460

I did. All I requested of her was that she clear up one of the contended points which was that Wams and I shared an identity. Once she reviewed the thread and observed the reactions of the collective she decided the thread had to be closed. As a large number of people not only called Wams a liar (and worse) but gave "evidence" to prove it. I was asked to come in (as I had witnessed a good portion of the action taken when the "borrowing" of the art happened) to verify the occurance. I personally decided to refute the "evidence", and respond to the arguments that allegedly "proved" the story false as I saw many "strong points" that quite simply weren't.

You may find this suprising but my post found a less than welcoming response.

Dew was also Kind enough as it was seen that a few people were curious enough (due partially I hope to my refusal to respond in kind to flame attempts and, that I had logical counter points) to research the actual piece of art that Wams saw.

We are on this thread awaiting a scanned picture of the art which I believe was solicited in the (as quoted by others on the board) April 2003 previews (I cannot verify the magazine date)



By all means someone else come in late and just read the last post. I am enjoying the finding new way's to type the same thing over, and over, and over, and over again.

Why is the concept of actually reading a thread you intend to post in so difficult a concept, especially if you intend to "add to the argument"??



I need to get enough posts to aquire a signature any way

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[Two-Face]

All can I say is good luck with it.

 

[Motown Marvel]

This is the Cassaday.-----------------------------------------------------------This is Wams.

The only thing alike is the Bat-symbol. And it's identical to the one on the Mattel Batman Begins figures:

thats it? this is what all the fuss is about? batman has been drawn that way a hundred times before. hell, I'VE drawn batman in that position in a nearly identical costume a hundred times before. this is HARDLY a rip off, and certainly not woth all thats transpired on these boards. if anything, it appears wams i ripping off alex ross.

 

[CConn]

Wams argues that that Cassiday picture is edited. That his original drawing was identical to his. Unfortunately, no one's found the issue of the previews which featured the original.

 

[Katsuro]

This is the Cassaday.-----------------------------------------------------------This is Wams.

I'm sorry, but I see almost no similarities between the two. The belts are different, the positiion of the head is different, the cape is different, the muscle lines on the torso are different, the shading on the gloves is different. Honestly, the only similarities are those that are present in every Batman drawing.

The position of the head also brings up an interesting point that I just noticed. You say that he originally copied that photo exactly, then had to make minor changes. Well, that would mean that it would've been that original picture standing on that page, saying "He'll be dealt with here". But the thing is, with the way the original pic's head is tilted upward, it just doesn't seem like it would fit. Cassaday's picture has Batman staring straight forward, like he's talking directly to someone. The original pic has Batman in this kinda heroic looking stance that I think would look kinda out of place if it was put directly in that scene. It's just a minor observation of course, and doens't prove much. But it's just something I thought i'd bring up.

 

[T'Jai]

Well it will all wash out when we see the previews...

Joke? You still in process of finding that mag??

 

[Motown Marvel]

this

plus this

equals this

who's ripping off who now?

the position wams drew batman in is nothing unique, and has been done countless times before. and any suit design similarities (which are slim in comparison) existed years in advance in alex ross' work way before wams ever put pencil to paper to do this drawing.

if anyone should be accused of ripping something off, then it should clearly be wams ripping off ross, which he straight up did.

 

[joke]

Nope, can't find it anywhere. Sorry..

Also.. When I first saw Wams' Batman drawing, it did remind me of Alex Ross's version, but even though the pose also seemed familiar, I couldn't place it. Thanks, Motown, for that Superman picture. Now it's very clear that Wams was heavily, maybe even too heavily, influenced by Ross's drawings.

 

[T'Jai]

I need to check with Wams to address your issue MM. It will have to wait until tomorrow when he is available...

Nobody has that Previews??

 

[Joker]

I cant find any of my previews...I'll check at my comic store to see if they keep any back issues of it around next time I head over there...btw, the angle he's standing at isnt even the same there, and that's hardly an original pose...

 

[Fledermaus]

 

[BatScot]

I'm sorry, but I see almost no similarities between the two.

Nor should you... the Cassaday rendition seen here is corrected, i.e. changed from the purported 'trace' that existed in the original submission.

The Cassady 'original' is the rendition that appeared in PREVIEWS (which is why everyone is so keen in getting their hands on that back-copy), and it is that version which is reported to be a trace of WAMS work, not the one that is seen in the trade.

 

[BatScot]

Well, that is interesting... the pose is similar, though it appears to my eye that the perspective and weight distribution is different in the WAMS drawing. Nonetheless, it does pose another question to be answered.