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[Hunter Rider]

What does it say about Vince when you look at this entire Marine 3 mess? Casting an actual dishonorably discharged Marine in the lead? Then considering people like JGT and Miz? Then actually CASTING The Miz? If Miz is believable as a Marine I'm believable as a superhero who can fly. I know actual Marines. They're tough hombres that look like harder men than Mizcarder. The only person they even should have considered for this movie is Cena. He at least has the work ethic and he was in the first one.

Heh! Only WWE films and Vinnie Mac would think it was a good idea to cast a guy who was kicked out of the marines to play a heroic Marine in the first place, but the replacement is almost as big of an insult! They should have cast Ryback and built him from there as a guy coming in with ideas above his station but with the attributes physically to back it up, and have Washington be his agent, have him arrive in a limo for the first show etc...

I think it lets hin know that he's viewed as less important to the company. Sheamus is being pushed as the new face of Smackdown while Orton has been in limbo.

I can't imagine that sits too well with Randle. They need to turn him heel but keep his wrestling as it is, because he's been treading water for ages and the money matches for him are as a heel.

What Vince did, which might very well be a test for Brock, makes no sense because Brock did the JOB and showed he was willing to do business for the company. Why did he feel the need to mess with him at that point?! It's stupid!

Les Thatcher made a good point in that if that happened to Bruiser Brody or Harley Race and Vince did that to them, someone's ass would have been kicked horribly.

This sort of highlights the changes in the industry over the years. Back in the day everything was in house and between the promoter and the talent, and the wrestlers had leverage as they could move from place to place as JR and some others mentioned on a WWE round table where they spoke of how Brody, Stan Hansen and Abdullah the Butcher all kept their acts fresh for so long.

Nowadays the wrestler has nowhere to go and if you look back at how Bret only gave Vince a single punch because Vince delibertely came and asked for it, you could argue that the changes came in the 90's as the business pulled back the curtain in general.

They guys at PWInsider brought something up that I did not even think about, but it is that when you do something to Vince or leave his company on your terms and go somewhere else, he will find a way to screw with you when you come back and embarrass you. He did it to Foley and now he's doing it to Brock.

This is the very reason why I understand why a guy like Sting has zero trust in Vince McMahon and will not sign with WWE. I can see Vince booking Sting out of spite for turning him down for so many years.

Vince is vindictive in general, if he didn't make you he's begrudging to push you, and if you leave and come back you have to crawl through the mud, Christian has suffered for both of these things. The Lesnar thing makes no sense though, I mean this is a proven draw without the WWE machine and he had done as he was asked, so why sour him immediately when there's still several money programs you want him to deliver in?

If you look at the match with Lesnar and Cena I got the feeling Brock was enjoying it out there and the crazy dive showed he's not gonna phone it in, so to deliberately upset him is idiotic unless Vince wants more Mania XX like matches from him.

I think Sting is a different case, Vince would treat him like he did Flair, he shows very little reverence for much that came out of NWA/WCW, but with Flair and Sting the DVD releases always show them respect.

 

[Hunter Rider]

- Michael Cole's heel announcer gimmick was supposed to officially end at WrestleMania 28. His new role is to be an "edgy" character who still respects John Laurinaitis, one of WWE's top heels. A recent sign of Cole retreating from being an annoying heel and shifting to a more neutral role was that he was sympathetic towards John Cena during his feud with Brock Lesnar.

It's been noticeable longer than that I'd say, his commentary on the Sheamus vs Bryan match was also arguably the best of his career.

- As noted before, Brock Lesnar was told he would be losing to John Cena at Extreme Rules several weeks back. Lesnar has made it clear that he's about the money, not the ego, and if they want him to lose, he has no problem with it as long as they play fair with him.

According to sources, it was made clear to Cena and Lesnar that their feud would be a one-match program. Officials felt that Lesnar could leave at any time and they needed their top guy getting the win first time out to make sure that it happened.

This makes messing with him even stupider, given how he's more legit than anyone on the roster who WON'T job despite showing up every know and then for a payday.

How can Lesnar leave at any time? he has to work the dates.

WWE has already used 5 of Lesnar's limited dates in the first month of his contract so expect him to be used sparingly if at all over the next few months. With that said, Lesnar vs. Triple H for SummerSlam is reportedly in the works.

On one hand I'm looking forward to Lesnar vs Triple H, but with such a limited time why not put him in with guys who need the match more, and this will no doubt be another big PPV where the title is pushed to second place on the card.

 

[Van Petrol]

I've been hearing a 'New' WWE title belt is in the works.

 

[TX85]

I've been hearing a 'New' WWE title belt is in the works.

Yeah me too..Since last summer!!

 

[Van Petrol]

From the description I've heard of it, it doesn't excite me much.

 

[Hunter Rider]

From the description I've heard of it, it doesn't excite me much.

What's the description?

 

[Lobo]

What's the description?

It will be replaced by Ryder's internet championship t:

 

[bullets]

Lol When the hell is that supposed to happen. I wish someone would steamroll that crap or throw it off a bridge.

Jack Swagger vs. Randy Orton lost 68,000 viewers in the 10pm timeslot. R-Truth and Kofi Kingston defeating Primo and Epico for the tag titles lost 245,000 viewers while Kane vs. The Great Khali gained 81,000 viewers. Daniel Bryan vs. Jerry Lawler in the final match lost 198,000 viewers while the final segment with John Cena, Lord Tensai, John Laurinaitis and Sakomoto gained 578,000 viewers for a 3.49 overrun rating.

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter
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Khali = ratings ?

After Shawn and Bret left I liked Austin but was never a huge fan of his matches, I enjoyed heel Rock and DX leader Triple H but my Attitude Era guy was always Foley. and I still can't help but like the guy despite the numerous "one last match" he keeps having, he at least always does whats good for the business.

I was a fan of Goldberg in his initial monster run before the curtain was pulled back, and I was a fan of DDP and a huge fan of Benoit, his style, his feuds with Sullivan and the Dungeon as well as the one with Raven and his TV title series with Booker T were the best ring product WCW had IMO and I was a fan right up to the tragic and horrific end.

Foley is almost an unsung hero of the attitude era. Also any time he's come back it's always helped someone unless you count the Cyber Sunday match with Carlito. I'm really hoping they do something with him and Ambrose.


Benoit was also one of my favorites. After the incident I haven't been able to watch any of his matches. It just feels weird.

 

[Metallo]

What Vince did, which might very well be a test for Brock, makes no sense because Brock did the JOB and showed he was willing to do business for the company. Why did he feel the need to mess with him at that point?! It's stupid!

Les Thatcher made a good point in that if that happened to Bruiser Brody or Harley Race and Vince did that to them, someone's ass would have been kicked horribly.

They guys at PWInsider brought something up that I did not even think about, but it is that when you do something to Vince or leave his company on your terms and go somewhere else, he will find a way to screw with you when you come back and embarrass you. He did it to Foley and now he's doing it to Brock.

This is the very reason why I understand why a guy like Sting has zero trust in Vince McMahon and will not sign with WWE. I can see Vince booking Sting out of spite for turning him down for so many years.

I'm tired of Vince the tyrant and Vince the manipulator. Lesnar's one guy to make WWE big money and the company is not exactly in the strongest position it could be in right now. Vince kind respected the old guys but now? That level of respect is gone for the talent. Like you guys have said they have nothing to bargain with either. You have to eat sh** and like it if you want to make it big in the business. There is really nothing to give Vince a reality check anymore and in the rare case he does get one he acts like a fool because he's not used to being challenged.

I would have enjoyed Brody kicking Vince's a$$ quite a bit though.

This sort of highlights the changes in the industry over the years. Back in the day everything was in house and between the promoter and the talent, and the wrestlers had leverage as they could move from place to place as JR and some others mentioned on a WWE round table where they spoke of how Brody, Stan Hansen and Abdullah the Butcher all kept their acts fresh for so long.

Nowadays the wrestler has nowhere to go and if you look back at how Bret only gave Vince a single punch because Vince deliberately came and asked for it, you could argue that the changes came in the 90's as the business pulled back the curtain in general.



Vince is vindictive in general, if he didn't make you he's begrudging to push you, and if you leave and come back you have to crawl through the mud, Christian has suffered for both of these things. The Lesnar thing makes no sense though, I mean this is a proven draw without the WWE machine and he had done as he was asked, so why sour him immediately when there's still several money programs you want him to deliver in?

Vince is so selfish that he will let his vindictive nature get in the way of making money sometimes. He can deny it all he wants to with WCW but his need to look better is exactly what happened there and with ECW after he bought them. Once he had Bischoff in a position to make him look like a fool he did--repeatedly. I can't blame him for that one but it just shows that that side of him is very strong.

Brocks a rare thing: a top star/outsider in his prime who is willing to make the current guys look good and do business. If Vince wanted to test him he should have done it away from the cameras but he had to make it a public issue.

If you look at the match with Lesnar and Cena I got the feeling Brock was enjoying it out there and the crazy dive showed he's not gonna phone it in, so to deliberately upset him is idiotic unless Vince wants more Mania XX like matches from him.

I think Sting is a different case, Vince would treat him like he did Flair, he shows very little reverence for much that came out of NWA/WCW, but with Flair and Sting the DVD releases always show them respect.

Not sure about Sting but Flair gets the treatment he does because Vince loves his over the top character, the verbage, the whole package. Plus Flair reminds him of his boyhood wrestling hero Buddy Rogers. Sting probably would have done well but its hard to say how well. I don't think he would have been screwed like some WCW guys but I can understand why Sting is cautious when dealing with Vince. I would be too. Even Bret Hart had to endure a couple of embarrassments after his big return. And this was after he beat Vince at Mania. For some reason Vince got to "fire" Bret from the GM role getting a last laugh.

Vince is still willing to do business with Stings old buddy Warrior even after all the bs between them so thats something to consider. But you have to wonder if Warrior did come back for something now what would Vince's long term reaction be after years of being snubbed. I honestly think one reason Warrior gets treated as well as he does now is because he doesn't need Vince and that makes Vince want him back harder and not piss him off. Its the same reason he treats Lawler so well. He knows Lawler doesn't NEED WWE like some guys.

I might not hate that.

If you're LUCKY ODB will just put on the strap on. Otherwise she'll whip out more than a flash.

 

[Project862006]

hey marvel found your hulk for your next eventual reboot LOL

 

[TX85]

O Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa***

 

[Nightmare]

he looks like the freakin hulk!

 

[Trainwreck2100]

his neck is gone

 

[Incrediblejeff]

Rock smash!

 

[The Apocalypse]

Weird. The Rock looked skinner than usual during his WM match.

 

[NDX]

Rock smash!

I wanted to say that.

Oh well, guess I can finally use this smilie. Rock !!!!!!

 

[Benstamania]

Holy crud...

 

[TheFuture]

I hope he slims the **** down after this film, he looks horrible.

 

[Team Andino]

I hope he slims the **** down after this film, he looks horrible.

I'm sure he will, from the looks of his character he did it for the movie. Well I'm hoping that at least.

 

[Project862006]

he looks so big it is comical

its like a Rob Liefeld drawing come to life lol

 

[Lobo]

I wouldn't mind a new WWE championship looking similar to this

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

- Michael Cole's heel announcer gimmick was supposed to officially end at WrestleMania 28. His new role is to be an "edgy" character who still respects John Laurinaitis, one of WWE's top heels. A recent sign of Cole retreating from being an annoying heel and shifting to a more neutral role was that he was sympathetic towards John Cena during his feud with Brock Lesnar.

yeah because when he was a "heel" he never ever backed cena

 

[Benstamania]

he looks so big it is comical

its like a Rob Liefeld drawing come to life lol

Haha, but he seems to have the correct number of fingers as well as a left and right foot... As opposed to two left feet.

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

hey marvel found your hulk for your next eventual reboot LOL

after Steve Austin being in the first one, I'm surprised they didn't offer Rock a part in Expendables 2...

 

[Lobo]

I think they did, but he had some sort of scheduling conflict with GI Joe