Petition for Fox to Sell Rights to Marvel

[TheVileOne]

They announced a sequel on March 21, 2014 in response to rumors that they were looking to replace Josh Trank, but they reiterated that intention to Hitfix yesterday. I'm assuming they were full of **** in both instances.

No they didn't. Here's what the Hitfix story said:

Everything I've heard would indicate that the studio will move forward with a "Fantastic Four" sequel. It may not make that original 2017 date, but they're definitely planning to make it.

Sounds more like speculation than anything. That's not exactly an official statement or announcement.

 

[SSJ4_Haruhi]

We're nearly at 15'000 signatures now.

 

[Tony Stark]

Almost 20K now, but that's not an impressive number.

 

[starscream22]

:applause:.
I blame Youtube and this new idea that every opinion on everything matters to everyone.

Those numbers are not even a kite dancing in a hurricane. They are less than a drop in the bucket.

Same thing could be said about the 3 or 4 people speaking against the 20K that have signed it.

Can't be more ridiculous than the people who were begging us to give this film a chance in the first place. One would cost time and money. The other.... a Signature.

Eh not that funny. I would say the film's $25 million opening weekend is more indicative than that and funnier.

But this petition just adds insult to injury

 

[Aztec]

20,000 in two days does say a lot. When is it going to be delivered to Fox execs?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

20,000 in two days does say a lot. When is it going to be delivered to Fox execs?

I suspect the specific Fox execs responsible for pushing this turd through are in deep-hiding at the moment.

 

[Eddie]

THR linked to this petition in an article about the future of the franchise.

 

[socool]

In fact, I was watching the Collider Youtube box office breakdown video and they had a producer from Fox on as a guest host. (The guy producing Hitman 47) Mark Ellis flat out told him his friends paid to see The Gift and sneaked in to see FF because they didn't want it to get their money. Fox has to know this won't change with any FF sequel or spin off.

Should've just saw The Gift. It's tremendous.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

When a half a million people sign then Fox would take notice. Anything less is a drop of water in a lake.

Meh, petitions are stupid, and that's a measly amount of signatures anyway. Plus they are e-signatures.

Why in the hell would anyone petition for a business to sell their rights? Do people seriously think that the IP holding company gives a **** about how many people demand they sell the IP back to Marvel?

It's funny though. Watching them think they can change corporate practice

If they keep running this franchise into the ground, won't it become so unprofitable that they'll just let the rights expire?

Probably. They'll likely offer to trade Fantastic Four for the rest of the X-Men multimedia rights, Disney will greedily refuse, so Fox will likely hold them until they expire at the last possible minute in 2020.

If that scenario transpires Disney refusing to deal will be the ones responsible for dashing the hopes of Fantastic Four at Marvel.

I hope the next petition is for Fox to stop making movies altogether.

And the next for men to stop thinking sexual thoughts about woman too. Would acomplish as much.

I know not many FF fans paid to see this thing. Fox has to know that we paid to see something else and walked in to see FF.

Wouldn't think most would support thievery.

 

[VictorDomashev]

If that scenario transpires Disney refusing to deal will be the ones responsible for dashing the hopes of Fantastic Four at Marvel and in the end boycotts and petitions won't have done squat to change the rights situation

Greedy Disney ? Why should Disney reward Fox for purposely ruining one of their IPs ? Disney has a case here to take Fox to court & get the F4 back legally. Disney should give Fox nothing & not reward them

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

When a half a million people sign then Fox would take notice. Anything less is a drop of water in a lake.

Um... almost 22K in 2 days.

It's funny though. Watching mice think they can affect men.

Yeah yeah we get it. We don't matter.

This kind of arrogance is what got Fox into this mess.

No matter what happens this is a PR disaster and embarrassment at every level. Meanwhile, Fox loses...

But yeah - we don't matter.

 

[Drz]

Greedy Disney ? Why should Disney reward Fox for purposely ruining one of their IPs ?

How is it ruining their IP since they sold it away?

Disney has a case here to take Fox to court & get the F4 back legally.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

How is it ruining their IP since they sold it away?

They didn't sell the IP. They sold the rights to make a movie based on the IP. Big difference.

 

[Eddie]

A simple trademark search would tell you Marvel owns The Fantastic Four mark for use in film. Fox has a license to use those rights.

 

[InJustice]

Yeah yeah we get it. We don't matter.

This kind of arrogance is what got Fox into this mess.

No matter what happens this is a PR disaster and embarrassment at every level. Meanwhile, Fox loses...

But yeah - we don't matter.

You're comparing apples to oranges in regards to this "arrogance."

Apples - Fox not taking into account the fans when it comes to the production of FF, and instead sought what they wanted, rather than building the movie around attracting fans as well as the general audience. As a result, they suffer huge losses and negative publicity to the point that the movie is toxic.

Oranges - People thinking that because they're passionate fans that they have the power to influence business decisions, especially when it comes to IP rights management.

In the grand scheme of things, you only matter as far as the movie's wellbeing and potential are concerned. You don't matter when it comes to handling business decisions like IP rights management and such, because you are not the IP rights holder. It's that simple. To bunch that together with FF's failure and say "see that means Fox is arrogant!" is asinine and disregards the main point.

 

[Zarex]

Probably. They'll likely offer to trade Fantastic Four for the rest of the X-Men multimedia rights, Disney will greedily refuse, so Fox will likely hold them until they expire at the last possible minute in 2020.

If that scenario transpires Disney refusing to deal will be the ones responsible for dashing the hopes of Fantastic Four at Marvel.

So by your estimation, Disney/Marvel should reward FOX by putting the truly disgraceful rights grab (CONFIRMED!) known as FFINO (CONFIRMED!) into cinemas, devaluing Marvel's intellectual property and tarnishing what had been the golden age of comic book movies? And turning "From the Studio that Brought You Days of Future Past" into a warning sign for potential movie goers?

Forget about all X-Men media rights. That came off the table as soon as this embarassment was put into theaters. If FOX execs are generously offered the rights to put an X-Men TV show on the air in exchange for the FF rights they so horrible damaged, they will take it. And then thank Disney and Marvel profusely for not going forward with a lawsuit.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

You're comparing apples to oranges in regards to this "arrogance."

Apples - Fox not taking into account the fans when it comes to the production of FF, and instead sought what they wanted, rather than building the movie around attracting fans as well as the general audience. As a result, they suffer huge losses and negative publicity to the point that the movie is toxic.

Oranges - People thinking that because they're passionate fans that they have the power to influence business decisions, especially when it comes to IP rights management.

In the grand scheme of things, you only matter as far as the movie's wellbeing and potential are concerned. You don't matter when it comes to handling business decisions like IP rights management and such, because you are not the IP rights holder. It's that simple. To bunch that together with FF's failure and say "see that means Fox is arrogant!" is asinine and disregards the main point.

It appears my efforts at satire have failed. There are those playing both sides of the fence - saying A) fans don't matter and B) fans are the reason this movie failed. Can't have it both ways.

But yeah Fox is still arrogant IMO. I don't care if you think that's asinine.

BTW, what is your "main point"?

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Probably. They'll likely offer to trade Fantastic Four for the rest of the X-Men multimedia rights, Disney will greedily refuse, so Fox will likely hold them until they expire at the last possible minute in 2020.

If that scenario transpires Disney refusing to deal will be the ones responsible for dashing the hopes of Fantastic Four at Marvel.

Rigghhtt.

And the next for men to stop thinking sexual thoughts about woman too. Would acomplish as much.

 

[First Avenger]

CyclopsWasRight still defending this crap and ****ting on Disney is too much fun. Keep it up! XD

 

[InJustice]

It appears my efforts at satire have failed. There are those playing both sides of the fence - saying A) fans don't matter and B) fans are the reason this movie failed. Can't have it both ways.

But yeah Fox is still arrogant IMO. I don't care if you think that's asinine.

BTW, what is your "main point"?

Except that's not playing things both ways. I already told you that fans don't matter when it comes to business decisions (specifically IP rights/licenses mangement). If I had said that fans don't matter in terms of the movie's moneymaking potential, while simultaneously saying that fans were the reason this movie failed, then you'd have a point. There's a very obvious distinction there.

Also, I never said that it's asinine to think that Fox is arrogant. You're free to think whatever you want, and frankly, I agree that Fox is an arrogant company that tends to be very stubborn when it comes to making movies (Barakapool in Wolverine vs. more comic-booky Deadpool in the trailers). I said that it's asinine to compare apples to oranges, and then come to a conclusion that Fox is arrogant. Again, another very obvious distinction.

The whole point is the irony with the fans: some will complain about Fox's arrogance and somehow conveniently ignore that they're also being arrogant with their petition.

 

[Tony Stark]

I don't know if it's arrogance or not, but at the point where they persued the project knowing they had serious questions about Trank, only because a delay might cause them to lose the rights. At that point this entire disaster is their fault.

Having said that, I maintain that a petition by the fans isn't likely to cause an effect, nor are the majority of regular cinema goers going to blame this piece of crap on the the studio. They'll go see other 20th centry Fox films.

But it's the stock holder who are pissed off right now. When the stock dropped 12.5% the day before the release, that tells you everything you need to know about the confidence of the studio.

I've been saying this since December when Fox took a hit because they announced their guidance for FY15 would be down 200M from the prior year and their stock tanked. But even after that , they were trading in the mid 30's for almost all of this year, until last Thursday.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The petition won't effect change. What will effect change is the horrendous box office and overwhelmingly negative reaction to this film. We've spoken with our wallets.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Except that's not playing things both ways. I already told you that fans don't matter when it comes to business decisions (specifically IP rights/licenses mangement). If I had said that fans don't matter in terms of the movie's moneymaking potential, while simultaneously saying that fans were the reason this movie failed, then you'd have a point. There's a very obvious distinction there.

Also, I never said that it's asinine to think that Fox is arrogant. You're free to think whatever you want, and frankly, I agree that Fox is an arrogant company that tends to be very stubborn when it comes to making movies (Barakapool in Wolverine vs. more comic-booky Deadpool in the trailers). I said that it's asinine to compare apples to oranges, and then come to a conclusion that Fox is arrogant. Again, another very obvious distinction.

The whole point is the irony with the fans: some will complain about Fox's arrogance and somehow conveniently ignore that they're also being arrogant with their petition.

Whether or not it actually makes a difference, how is a petition arrogant? People making known how they feel is arrogant? You lost me there.

 

[Quasar]

You're arrogant, Ragnaroknroll. Deal with it!

 

[Demileto]

A petition won't matter in the slightest in Fox's decision regarding the future of the Four, but I signed anyway just to annoy them.