Rise of the Silver Surfer PG Rating: DISCUSSION

[webhead731]

Well mpaa.org and filmratings.com don't have the rating for it. Neither does the official Fantastic Four movie website.

Those are the only things keeping my hopes up.

 

[webhead731]

FF is all about FAMILY, lol... you honestly didn't know that? Give me a break dude.

Reed and Susan- Parents

Johnny and Ben- bickering siblings

That's how they have always been detailed and characterized as- a FAMILY. So, yep big surprise than an FF film will be all about the family. Lmaol.

Thank you for...telling me something that I already knew.

She didn't say "this is a film about a family" she said "it's the family comedy of the summer" like it's the damn Spy Kids movies or Shark Boy and Lava Girl 2. She's saying it like it's just one of those average PG movies that are really just ******ed.

 

[Tempest19]

You do know that those aren't the only family comedies, right?

And that movies outside of the PG realm are also classified on occasion as family comedies.

"Family comedy" does not mean PG film.

I would classify the FIRST movie as being a family comedy with action mixed into it also.

Post edited due to the first sentence being completely wrong the first time, lol, thinking one thing- typing another.

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And as for action, so far I've seen one scene in TV Spot 8 that makes most of FF1 look "PG" in comparison.

 

[webhead731]

No...first film wasn't something parents and their kids should all sit at the couch and watch with grandma and uncle Bob at their side too.

It wasn't that kiddy. I'd say 10 year olds or so at the least should be watching it. Considering it's amount of cussing (which really adds realism to it), amount of sex jokes, and the violent scenes, the PG-13 was well deserved.

If this is going where I think it is, it may as well be a Disney Channel movie. I'm now sensing a Zoom or Sky High vibe from this, which isn't right at all.

This is a bad move.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Has anyone seen Empire of the Sun? That was a PG movie, but it was also pretty bleak and depressing (happy ending...but fairly dark). Yet, it was PG. Now, I know this is not a summer blockbuster example, but I am showing that PG is not a kids rating.

PG does not equal mind numbing crap. The script, story, and movie itself may, but not the rating.

I just don't see this being a problem.

 

[Tempest19]

So all of a sudden PG means that it's a small kids film, dude you seriously need to grow up and start acting more mature. I know how that sounds and I don't care, that's the truth of the matters. Because you're rushing to conclusions is really childish.

Was Attack of the Clones a kiddie movie? Were any of the first Star Wars films, kiddie films? Was the new Rocky movie a kiddie movie? And Spiderfan just provided another example.

Lmaol.

Dude, you seriously need to grow up. Because you're instant "it's PG, it's a Disney Channel Movie" is really childish. We have all given you examples of PG films that aren't "kid movies" and you seem to always ignore those examples and go on about your rant that every PG film is child oriented crap like "Spy Kids", while dismissing films like "Attack of the Clones" that was PG and featured a hand being cut off!

 

[Symbiotic]

I don't believe this. I'll still see it in the theater sure but, I just can't believe it. If the first one was rated PG, I wouldn't mind so much. But in a sequel, you don't lower the rating from what the previous movie was.

 

[webhead731]

"Has anyone seen Empire of the Sun? That was a PG movie, but it was also pretty bleak and depressing (happy ending...but fairly dark). Yet, it was PG.

PG does not equal mind numbing crap."

That wasn't an action movie. It was more drama.

PG action movies usually suck. PG action superhero movies MOSTLY suck.

 

[Tempest19]

Attack of the Clones wasn't an action movie? Since when? Lol.

Unless you were talking about Spider-fan's example.

You are obviously dead set against PG meaning child friendly, well let me set something straight for you that you will once again ignorantly ignore. IT IS NOT THE RATING THAT MATTERS, IT IS THE SCRIPT. When writing the script and filming the movie they don't worry about a rating. They film it, they send it in- the keep it as is. PG films with kids, yeah- you've got that down because that was always the target audience, the script is written for kids. A PG film with adults, typically means the MPAA just gave it that...

If anything FF2 will be 'Attack of the Clones' with action and FF1's family and comical elements.

I'm through arguing with someone who, for god knows why, sees "PG" as meaning "Spy Kids", when that assumption is so- wrong- that I don't even have words to describe it.

So, here's a challenge- list the PG films with ADULTS (as the main characters) not KIDS that are great vs. those that aren't so good... since hey, the only examples you can bring to the table are kid oriented films since stage 1- "Spy Kids" and "Shark Boy and Lava Girl"...

 

[Spider-Fan]

"Has anyone seen Empire of the Sun? That was a PG movie, but it was also pretty bleak and depressing (happy ending...but fairly dark). Yet, it was PG.

PG does not equal mind numbing crap."

That wasn't an action movie. It was more drama.

PG action movies usually suck. PG action superhero movies MOSTLY suck.

I acknowledge that, but it does show that PG is not exclusively a rating meaning for children. All it means is no swearing or holes through people's chests.

Plus, the Surfer's battles are almost exclusively energy blast based and not physical. Physical violence ups ratings, but not energy blasts.

 

[webhead731]

So all of a sudden PG means that it's a small kids film, dude you seriously need to grow up and start acting more mature. I know how that sounds and I don't care, that's the truth of the matters. Because you're rushing to conclusions is really childish.

Was Attack of the Clones a kiddie movie? Were any of the first Star Wars films, kiddie films? Was the new Rocky movie a kiddie movie? And Spiderfan just provided another example.

Lmaol.

Dude, you seriously need to grow up. Because you're instant "it's PG, it's a Disney Channel Movie" is really childish. We have all given you examples of PG films that aren't "kid movies" and you seem to always ignore those examples and go on about your rant that every PG film is child oriented crap like "Spy Kids", while dismissing films like "Attack of the Clones" that was PG and featured a hand being cut off!

The new Rocky did terrible in the box office by the way.

Just about all the Star Wars movies came out before PG-13 existed. Nothing in Episode's I and II pushed PG-13 at all so therefore it really couldn't be like that. I think Episodes I and II could've been PG-13 but they really held back and kept them PG. Yes they were still good.

What I'm saying is that MOST PG movies that are a superhero film or action film just end up sucking. Usually superhero movies end up sucking more.

That Empire of the Sun movie could've easily been PG-13 too.

Sorry if I'm going a little overboard but it really does worry me and piss me off. There's no reason why this film couldn't be PG-13.

 

[Tempest19]

So, what you're pretty much saying- in your defense is those PG films could have been PG-13....

Yet, you still haven't seen FF2 and you're saying it's a "Disney Channel Movie." Lol. Instead of something similar to the others- as you stated- could just as easily be PG-13.

And failed at box office made Rocky Balboa a bad film? Since when? Shawshank bombed at box office, so that film must be terrible as well... I mean, that's the ONLY think that you could say about Rocky. Lol. And the SW and other example- all you could say was "could be PG-13", well- they were PG, bub.

And what I AM SAYING IS FIND ADULT (MAIN CHARACTER) ORIENTED PG FILMS THAT FIT INTO YOUR PERFECT LITTLE PATTERN, AND THEN COMPARE THOSE TO THE ADULT (MAIN CHARACTER) FILMS THAT DON'T.

So far you only stated kid oriented films like "Spy Kids", lol... that really doesn't back your argument at all since they were made for kids since stage 1- since, surprise- they star kids as the main characters.

Because you have yet to provide ONE example that is similar to a FF2, adult main characters, that fits into your perfect "Disney Movie" world.

And there is no reason it has to be PG-13 either.

And if you're worried about action- in SW- somebody's hand is cut off! What more can you ask for? PG allowed for that...

 

[Spider-Fan]

The rating is not what held back Episodes I and II. Lucas, the acting, and scripts did.

There is no reason this can't work PG. PG is not indicative of quality, nor is any rating. Script, acting, direction, etc. however, are.

 

[MaskedManJRK]

The rating is not what held back Episodes I and II. Lucas, the acting, and scripts did.

There is no reason this can't work PG. PG is not indicative of quality, nor is any rating. Script, acting, direction, etc. however, are.

Honestly, I think the PG rating is just the catalyst of the worry.

The running time + the fact that FOX cuts up more movies than the Jack the Ripper to ladies of the night + lack of showing any Doom scenes + PG rating = possibility of a movie ripped apart to make it more "kiddy."

 

[Spider-Fan]

Honestly, I think the PG rating is just the catalyst of the worry.

The running time + the fact that FOX cuts up more movies than the Jack the Ripper to ladies of the night + lack of showing any Doom scenes + PG rating = possibility of a movie ripped apart to make it more "kiddy."

I don't think the rating is really a big deal. It is not like they will make much more from the rating, in fact they may lose money from it (losing the people who think PG-13 or bust for non-cartoon movies).

The other things you pointed out DO have me worried. I am a bit worried this won't be that good, but I think the rating is not a big deal.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

If true...This is a very good move by Fox.

If it's not true...oh well.

I think its a good movie,because i heard that 300 got a R raiting..and kids would buy tickets for other films and sneak in and see.Thus not giving revune to 300,if FF2 has a lower raiting..more people will see it and the film will get more money.

 

[Tempest19]

Look at this TV Spot and try to tell me with a straight face that this film doesn't look to have more 'hard core' action than the first film:

http://iklipz.com/MovieDetail.aspx?MovieID=0a0f973a-c45a-4c74-b049-12cb1cba8dfb

 

[kedrell]

Oh hell, Jaws was PG too, if you can believe that.

 

[terry78]

Rated PG, and deemed by many as one of the better superhero flicks. Now this has always to me been in the vein of FF, so if it is PG, I won't be too pissy about it.

 

[Tempest19]

Oh hell, Jaws was PG too, if you can believe that.

Exactly, and then add Back to the Future and other great PG films as well.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Oh hell, Jaws was PG too, if you can believe that.

It was before PG-13 existed, though. It was either PG or R, and it doesn't deserve an R.

 

[Ratcrawler]

Now that I think about it, sPidey 3 shoulda been PG. Between the ridiculously platonic nature of Peter & MJ's relationship to the lack of a real bodycount it just felt like it pampered to the kids too much. I just hate it when sequels go down a rating. I groaned a bit when I learned Evan Almighty went PG but hey...kids love animals. Anyone remember the Truman Show? They dropped the S-bomb twice in that PG flick.

And hey, everyone seemed to think the Incredibles was such a better film than FF one and it had better action sequences. So maybe this could work.

 

[Tempest19]

I actually never saw Evan Almighty as a possible PG-13 flick, seemed PG from the time the first trailer came out.

And Webhead, I think you're main problem is actually this:

"I'm just saying I don't want to be in a theater full of annoying children that came because of the kiddy rating...it's not right..."

In which case you would have the EXACT same thing- no matter what rating FF2 got.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Evan is PG right? It should be. The only reason the first one was PG-13 was because of foul language which really didn't make it funnier.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Now that I think about it, sPidey 3 shoulda been PG. Between the ridiculously platonic nature of Peter & MJ's relationship to the lack of a real bodycount it just felt like it pampered to the kids too much. I just hate it when sequels go down a rating. I groaned a bit when I learned Evan Almighty went PG but hey...kids love animals. Anyone remember the Truman Show? They dropped the S-bomb twice in that PG flick.

And hey, everyone seemed to think the Incredibles was such a better film than FF one and it had better action sequences. So maybe this could work.

Spidey 1 probably should have been PG or could have been. I guess the Goblin's death and the vaporizing of Ozcorp's chief might have put it over the edge a bit. Part 2 was clearly PG-13 material IMO, and part 3 is probably PG-13 as well. Fantastic Four is so much lighter than that. It's supposed to be funny...when you can't say the same about X-Men or Spidey at least not on the same level.