The Defenders Phase 2

[metaphysician]

Again, none of that is relevant to *this* Defenders show, which is a street level teamup along the lines of the Marvel Knights comic line, or Heroes for Hire.

 

[Tymminator]

Again, none of that is relevant to *this* Defenders show, which is a street level teamup along the lines of the Marvel Knights comic line, or Heroes for Hire.

Again, which is why I made the disclaimer about if they go beyond street level characters.

Not to mention the fact we don't know if they will only stick strictly to the street direction after "Phase 1" of the Netflix series and that will be permanently locked as the only direction for *this* Defenders show in future phases as they expand the MCU through Netflix. They might, but that's not something I'm going to assume.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I think Thor was enough of a tough sell as is, I can't see adding Hercules on top of that. Although, if they do, it should be Kevin Sorbo.

 

[Tymminator]

I myself have some ideas of how to slip the concept of Hercules/Olympus in, I'm sure they would have ideas too.

You mentioining Sorbo made me think about casting n general, like right now I'm actually thinking of who would be a great Moon Knight. I really think if done right, Moon Knight could REALLY be a great hit.

Another thing in thinking is, if certain characters get extremely popular on Netflix, other networks may take notice and offer to give them a slot for their own show. I could be nuts. But let's take Daredevil. If Daredevil has good reception and fan support and creates a lot of positive buzz, I think he could end up with a proper show, at least on cable. I dunno. Just a thought

 

[H.U.S.T.L.E.]

I think a lot of people here seem to be sold on Heroes For Hire, Punisher and a second season of Daredevil for Marvel/Netflix's "Wave 2". Assuming they don't expand with an additional show, that leaves one slot.

My take on the ideas thus far, in descending order of plausibility:
* Moon Knight (just seems a really good fit)
* Cloak And Dagger (there have been rumors in the past)
* Blade (would prefer to introduce him in a supernatural team-up and then go from there)
* The Runaways (don't think it connects too well to the Netflix/Marvel corner of the MCU)
* Taskmaster (maybe Marvel can show Sony how it's done )
* Ghost Rider (see Blade... also, CGI feasibility on a TV budget needs to be considered)
* Winter Soldier (think they'll prefer to save him for the films)
* Doom: Rise Of Latveria (self-acknowledged fan-wank )

Moon Knight
Blade
Shang Chi
Heroes for Hire
White Tiger
Daughters of the Dragon
Cloak & Dagger
Punisher

Yeah, I agree that the ideal lineup for a second wave of Netflix series would include Daredevil S2, Heroes for Hire & Punisher. As for that last slot?

I would imagine that Marvel would like to include another series featuring female or minority leads - in which case, Cloak & Dagger may be their best option (especially since that's a project that we've heard rumors about before). However, it wouldn't shock me to see something like White Tiger or even Daughters of the Dragon since that would continue to tie in to previously introduced characters.

Also, I am infinitely curious to see if Marvel would move into "event TV" for a character like Winter Soldier, a la the BBC version of Sherlock. Three airdates in two-hour blocks, to potentially capitalize on a popular character from the movie franchises. I'd be interested if it allows them to expand on the Winter Soldier mythos, and they wouldn't have to worry too much about cancellation if it's only taking up three weeks of time. They could weave the event into a well-known conspiracy theory, with Winter Soldier as the ghostly agent of chaos. I feel like you could do some really neat stuff involving him in infamous 20th century events to expand just how large of a presence he's had on history since WWII.

 

[seahammer]

Also, I am infinitely curious to see if Marvel would move into "event TV" for a character like Winter Soldier, a la the BBC version of Sherlock. Three airdates in two-hour blocks, to potentially capitalize on a popular character from the movie franchises. I'd be interested if it allows them to expand on the Winter Soldier mythos, and they wouldn't have to worry too much about cancellation if it's only taking up three weeks of time. They could weave the event into a well-known conspiracy theory, with Winter Soldier as the ghostly agent of chaos. I feel like you could do some really neat stuff involving him in infamous 20th century events to expand just how large of a presence he's had on history since WWII.

I think that the Agent Carter series is essentially Marvel's version of this, just spread out over a slightly longer period of time. If Carter is successful, I could see them experimenting with something along these lines, though. Neat idea.

 

[mace1]

Not to mention the fact we don't know if they will only stick strictly to the street direction after "Phase 1" of the Netflix series and that will be permanently locked as the only direction for *this* Defenders show in future phases as they expand the MCU through Netflix. They might, but that's not something I'm going to assume.

Interesting point,and i was thinking about that too.
The current mighty avengers team are more street level but not only street level.
They deal with other problems too.

The defenders show or any coming movies could really be more like the current Mighty avengers team.
Not strictly street.

If they go this way superheros like dr. strange,blue marvel,Monica Rambeau etc.. could join later or be an ally.

This IS the best way to go if other avenger teams do show up in the movies or tv shows AND I WANT blue marvel and Monica Rambeau to show up.

SO if these two do show up,and do not have solo movie/s of thier own,then the teams they most likely will join would either be the defenders or the avengers.
They most likely will not show up in inhumans or guardians of the galaxy.

The other shows they could still show up is agents of shield and adam(blue marvel or him as pre-blue marvel )could show up in a agent carter episode or a few of them because of his age,but that' it.

Any showing up from him will most likie be as a guest star or a couple of guest appearances on that show.

I don't think we will have new avengers or might avengers tv show or movie OR ANY OTHER avenger teams will be formed in the mcu universe.

If they do form they will be supporting team or a guest team in the avengers or a defenders movie or show or any other show.

Like said,if adam or monica show up and join a team they will be going on upcoming teams like guardians of the galaxy,inhumans and the defenders.
So this is mostly likely the way to see the superheros we really want to see in mcu universe.

For these two the teams mostly likely adam and monica will show up on will be the defenders or the avengers and either team is find with me.

Dr strange will have his own solo movie so it does not matter too much if he is on these teams or not, and if he shows up on these team films he still does not have to be a team member but ally.

The same thing could work with monica or adam too or any other superhero,but at least dr.strange will most likely have his own solo movie/s,and the other two i mention mostly likely will not,but we will see.

It will be like what DC plans to do,because i don't think there will be a justice league dark,or justice league of america,or any other justice league teams.

DC WILL just do it like it was in the animated shows and put most of the superheros on the justice league AND A FEW WILL HAVE SOLO FILMS.
Justice league i believe will be the only superhero team movie for DC i think.

If they have a shazam movie then he might have his own team or in a second or third shazam movie if there is one ,the shazaam family,but that's it.

The shazam team and one justice league team is it for DC MOVIES.

The justice league dark movie is a maybe and if they do that it would be like more the defenders comic from marvel.

 

[mace1]

Everyone here should check these out.

This thread was deleted but it was a interesting thread.


Blue Marvel will always be a great character
http://forums.comicbookresources.co...-Blue-Marvel-will-always-be-a-great-character






I THINK MIGHTY AVENGERS IS THE BEST WRITTEN MARVEL COMIC OUT THERE.
IT is clearly the most interesting one currently from marvel now to me.

This comic along with the blue marvel mini-series i plan to finish or read the whole thing later got me back into marvel quicker.

John stewart SHOWING UP IN THE CARTOON got me reading DC COMICS AGAIN AS WELL.

I would have gone back into reading both marvel and DC anyway but these two superheros got me back quicker.
The universe that i am focusing the most on however is the marvel universe.
DC IS A FOCUS for me too but not as much as marvel.


More threads i read from time to time.
THREAD: MIGHTY AVENGERS (2014) APPRECIATION
http://community.comicbookresources...31-Mighty-Avengers-(2014)-Appreciation/page20


Blue-Marvel-Appreciation

http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?200-Blue-Marvel-Appreciation/page1

 

[Mike Murdock]

I still think your idea is causing too much in the way of overlap when there's a need for distinctiveness (which has been essentially the calling card for Marvel movies - to have each character bring something different).

Plus, I really get the impression that Doctor Strange will eventually be in the Avengers, not Defenders.

 

[fixxxer]

I still think your idea is causing too much in the way of overlap when there's a need for distinctiveness (which has been essentially the calling card for Marvel movies - to have each character bring something different).

Plus, I really get the impression that Doctor Strange will eventually be in the Avengers, not Defenders.

Yup, initially for sure. Dr. Strange will play a big role in Avengers 3 just as he did in the Infinity Gauntlet comics.

After that though, I do believe Marvel Studios will use Strange as an anchor to build out their supernatural universe. I can see "lower" budget movies for characters like Blade and Ghost Rider, culminating in a Midnight Sons team-up of supernatural heroes, taking a page out of the Avengers playbook.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Perhaps, but I don't think they'll use the Defender's tag.

 

[fixxxer]

Oh agreed. It wouldn't make too much sense at all. I think they'll use "Midnight Sons". Basically as a kind of Avengers-esque team, but one that primarily deals with supernatural threats.

 

[cryptic name]

If Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, Defenders = Phase 1 of the MCU Street Level what would you like to see for Phase 2?
I'd like a continuation of Daredevil and 3 new series; Heroes for Hire, Moon Knight and Punisher.
Perhaps have it culminate in a 4 parter involving Daredevil and Punisher.

If the Netflix shows prove to be successful enough for a Phase 2 (which I really hope for) something I'd really like to see is Marvel take advantage of a mostly untapped resource, specifically its horror and monster characters. I would love a Tomb of Dracula series, most of the original Marv Wolfman stories and characters could be adapted into really good episodes of television, and the show could be used as a springboard to introduce characters like Moon Knight, Jack Russell the Werewolf by Knight, and of course Blade. They could really build on the universe, introduce concepts like the Dark Hold. It'd be like a dream come true for me if they did it right, and Netflix would really be the perfect place for it.

 

[psylockolussus]

If Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, Defenders = Phase 1 of the MCU Street Level what would you like to see for Phase 2?
I'd like a continuation of Daredevil and 3 new series; Heroes for Hire, Moon Knight and Punisher.
Perhaps have it culminate in a 4 parter involving Daredevil and Punisher.

I don't know if I want a continuation for Daredevil/Jessica Jones/iron First/Luke Cage. But after the Defenders, I want to see make a 13 episode run for Ghost Rider, Punisher, Blade and Moon Knight.

 

[Shoppy]

Yeah, I agree that the ideal lineup for a second wave of Netflix series would include Daredevil S2, Heroes for Hire & Punisher. As for that last slot?

In addition to those three?
I'd have to go for Moon Knight, and then "Shadowland" for the second miniseries event with the heroes trying to save Daredevil from himself

... though i do think we could just end up with a couple of years of Daredevil and "Heroes For Hire" which could alter it's character focus each week a la Maverick?

 

[Rorschach2012]

Phase 2
Blade
Punisher
Moon Knight
Ghost Rider
Heroes for Hire
Daredevil s2

 

[Silvermoth]

I would like to see white tiger and she hulk join

 

[4thWallBreaker]

Phase 2
Blade
Punisher
Moon Knight
Ghost Rider
Heroes for Hire
Daredevil s2

Yea, totally agree.

Defenders are supposed to be a mini, I've heard, so maybe characters from that will move on. Iron Fist, Luke and Jessica will become Heroes for Hire, which'll continue all three of their characters' stories, and Daredevil & Elektra could be season/series 2 for DD.

Punisher... Hrm... Well, it is Netflix, so maybe they can get away with a true Punisher series, rather than ABC could, you know?

Would love a Tomb of Dracula/Blade series. Maybe going into Nightstalkers with Hannibal King, Drake and Morbius?
Would love a Werewolf By Night/Moon Knight series. Maybe going into Fist of Khonshu and Vampire by Night?
Would love a Ghost Rider series.
Man-Thing, I think, deserves another shot.
Maybe eventually combining into an incarnation of the Legion of Monsters or Midnight Sons.

I would like to see white tiger and she hulk join

I'd like an incarnation of White Tiger, I guess, but s/he would probably be best as part of a combined story of other characters, because alone they could come across as too Black Panther meets Daredevil. Which I think people'd be fine with if they were part of a team or something.

She-Hulk has a lot of great stories to tell on her own before joining any team, imo.

Damage Control could be interesting. Blue collar superhumans.

 

[Dasher10]

Wave 1 (2015-2016)
Marvel's Daredevil
Luke Cage: Hero for Hire
Jessica Jones: Alias
Immortal Iron Fist
Defenders


Wave 2 (2017-2018)
All previous series
Moon Knight
Punisher's War Journal
Defenders 2

Wave 3 (2019-2020)
All previous series
Elektra: Assassin
Savage She-Hulk
Defenders 3

And if Marvel can get the Shi'Ar back from Fox, then Wave 4 should feature Darkhawk and by wave 4, Scarlett Johansson will either be released from her contract or she'll be up for renegotiation. Marvel would be smart to renew her contract as long as she does her own TV show. And if Sony releases the rights to Spider-Man, I expect him here now as well. I also don't see a solo Hawkeye film ever happening but Marvel can see if Jeremy Renner would be willing to do a Netflix series.

That makes Wave 4
All previous series
Darkhawk
The Sensational Spider-Man
Black Widow
Hawkeye

The former two are dependent on what Fox and Sony are wiling to give back. The latter two on contract renegotiations but at least two of these should be able to happen.

Man Thing and Ghost Rider both need too large of a budget. Runaways would be better suited to ABC Family. I don't see those being part of the Netflix series.

And Elektra and She-Hulk need to be saved for Wave 3 since Elektra needs to die in Season 2 of Daredevil and be ressurected in Season 3.

 

[Dasher10]

Now that I think about it, Darkhawk is too expensive for TV.

I'd have Wave 2 introduce Moon Knight, Punisher and Blade since there's no narrative reason why they can't all debut there. And Blade is awesome enough to have his own TV show.

Wave 3 would start series for Elektra and She-Hulk. Since the latter won't show up until we get a Hulk sequel and the former would first die in season 2 of Daredevil, then be resurrected during season 3.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

What do we think the chances are that phase 2 will end up having more than 4 shows so we get something like DD seson 2, Heroes for Hire (essentially LC,JJ,IF season 2) and then we could have 4 or mroe new shows and they could release them a lot quicker instead of 2 a year. Basically multiple shows would be in production cranking more out and still have a team up mini event in the same time frame

 

[ernesth100]

Phase 2 of TV okay. Assuming Phase 1 was -Agents of SHIELD
-Agent Carter
-Daredevil
-Luke Cage
-Jessica Jones
-Iron Fist
-Defenders


And capping it off there(possibly Daredevil season 2 somewhere between all of that). My ideal Phase 2 would be.


-Defenders Season 2
-Moon Knight
-Blade(if they can make supernatural and all these crappy teen vampire/werewolf shows they can make blade)
-Punisher


That's just my opinion though.

 

[Picard Stewart]

What do we think the chances are that phase 2 will end up having more than 4 shows so we get something like DD seson 2, Heroes for Hire (essentially LC,JJ,IF season 2) and then we could have 4 or mroe new shows and they could release them a lot quicker instead of 2 a year. Basically multiple shows would be in production cranking more out and still have a team up mini event in the same time frame

I think four shows a year is the most they could ever justify financially, which sucks because it prevents us from getting new seasons for each character every year.

They have to adapt the film format, which means we'll get a new season for a character every 2 years and a crossover event every 3.

I think 2016 will complete Phase I, and they'll take things up a notch in 2017 by giving us DD Season 2, Heroes for Hire Season 1 (Season 2 for both Luke Cage and Iron Fist) plus The Punisher Season 1 and Blade Season 1.

2018 would be AKA JJ Season 2 and then three new characters leading up to Defenders 2 in 2019.

 

[ernesth100]

Slow your horses guys. I know you want alot of new series but we have to take into account the money and time this will all take to make. Thats why I only listed 4 shows

 

[kaijunexus]

Daredevil Season 2 - The return of Wilson Fisk, introduction of Bullseye and maybe even Mr. Fear.

Heroes for Hire - Luke Cage and Iron Fist mopping up the streets...for a price. Jessica Jones will be with Luke in some capacity (maybe even married...and/or pregnant?!), so that rounds up those three characters into a single series, making room for...

The Punisher - Upping the ante in terms of grit, violence, and sheer brutality from what we saw in Daredevil. We could even see Daredevil make an appearance here to try to stop Punisher.

Nightstalkers - I struggled a bit with this one, as I truly want to see Moon Knight brought to life...but Blade and his cohorts are less SFX-intensive and bring more variety to the table. We would get plenty of vampires and other supernatural elements, and putting Blade in a team settings would differentiate this even further from the Blade movies and TV series of the past.

Beyond that...I just don't know. Probably New Defenders?