Phase 3 Release Schedule Finalized

Im all for Starbuck but Im not gonna rain down the hate on Marvel for not casting her. They are gonna get someone good and right for the role. Rushing Ms Marvel to fit early in their schedule just cause fans say so will be the worst mistake they make. As for the current runs....

And to be perfectly fair, the article took the quote out of context and Feige was actually far more open to the idea when looking at the source.

http://screencrush.com/kevin-feige-captain-marvel/
 
I'm dieing to see MS Marvel and a female lead film too, I ***** about that all the time with studios. I want a Runaways film more then anything and that has the most diverse cast I see possible with a fantastic Female lead. But everyone wants everything from Marvel. Gotta trust the studio knows what fits when best. The planning here in the MCU has just been too stellar with it's characters and world expanding.
 
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And to be fair, I also have some faith that Ant-Man will be a decent comedy due to Adam McKay rewriting the script and the director of Bring it On.

I'm also hearing great things about Guardians of the Galaxy when I was first thinking that Rocket Raccoon and Groot would be impossible to pull off. Then they cast Vin Deisel and Bradley Cooper. The early reviews just managed to wash away any doubts that I had. I still wish that Phylla-Vell and Adam Warlock made the cut for the cast but it's probably for the best to start off small and then expand the cast in the sequel.
 
And to be perfectly fair, the article took the quote out of context and Feige was actually far more open to the idea when looking at the source.

http://screencrush.com/kevin-feige-captain-marvel/

I found this quote pretty telling:
-When J.J. Abrams released the first cast photo from ‘Star Wars: Episode 7,’ there was some backlash surrounding the lack of women characters, which they’ve announced many more since then. ‘Captain Marvel’ has been a rumored movie, but if a woman-driven movie isn’t announced soon, that backlash could happen here, too?

(...)We’re going to keep bringing the movies out the way we envision it and the way we believe in it — and that includes diversity in all of the active films. And certainly, on our development slate of many of the characters — some of which you just named — and always being conscious of that.

So I'm thinking there's a CM film in some stage of development right now, it's just a matter of when...hopefully sooner rather than later.
 
And for the record, I'm raging a bit because the site which shall not be named had Kevin Feige saying that he will not be "swayed" to make a Captain Marvel film by a public backlash and that there's already enough gender diversity in the MCU.

I agree with the point that Feige is trying to make though. Race and Gender shouldn't be the deciding factor. Telling the best story should.
 
It sounds like Planet Hulk: Guardians of the Galaxy ain't happening.
 
Karnak is dead right now.

Noooooooooo...... :(

But, more seriously, we'd be talking about a movie, where he could presumably be very much alive.

And for the record, I'm raging a bit because the site which shall not be named had Kevin Feige saying that he will not be "swayed" to make a Captain Marvel film by a public backlash and that there's already enough gender diversity in the MCU.

Yeah, I know he was speaking off the cuff, but he spoke very poorly there. What he clearly meant is that they have plans for a specific order of movies and aren't going to change that even if people are impatient. But it came off as extremely insensitive. It also suggests he's managing expectations, which means the movies are some ways away.
 
It sounds like Planet Hulk: Guardians of the Galaxy ain't happening.
yep, I can't tell you how happy I am. BS rumors that were unlikely in the first place and I can't believe how the majority of people here fell for that Dreck

Now Marvel has to do a Cpt. Marvel film wich stars Mar-Vell and Monica Rambeau so that Carol 'Hal Jordan' Danvers can return to the obscurity where she belongs.
 
yep, I can't tell you how happy I am. BS rumors that were unlikely in the first place and I can't believe how the majority of people here fell for that Dreck

Now Marvel has to do a Cpt. Marvel film wich stars Mar-Vell and Monica Rambeau so that Carol 'Hal Jordan' Danvers can return to the obscurity where she belongs.

I never believed it too, not that I dont want a Planet Hulk meets Gotg film.
 
yep, I can't tell you how happy I am. BS rumors that were unlikely in the first place and I can't believe how the majority of people here fell for that Dreck

Now Marvel has to do a Cpt. Marvel film wich stars Mar-Vell and Monica Rambeau so that Carol 'Hal Jordan' Danvers can return to the obscurity where she belongs.

Mahr-Vell was always a flat character. His most notable story was dying of cancer. Monica is a cool character but she's Spectrum now since naming her Captain marvel made no sense since her powers never had anything to do with the Kree.

And what's with the Carol hate? Comparing her to Hal Jordan is like comparing Peter Parker to Clark Kent or Tony Stark to Bruce Wayne.

And Spectrum will eventually appear in an Avengers film, probably Avengers 4 since she's been a member for a long time but the Avengers who can carry a film under another name like Carol Danvers, Black Panther, Namor, Crystal and Blade will all probably show up first, with the former two in Phase 3 and the latter three in Phase 4. Monica may still appear in Avengers 4 if the teams get split into 2.
 
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yep, I can't tell you how happy I am. BS rumors that were unlikely in the first place and I can't believe how the majority of people here fell for that Dreck

Now Marvel has to do a Cpt. Marvel film wich stars Mar-Vell and Monica Rambeau so that Carol 'Hal Jordan' Danvers can return to the obscurity where she belongs.

I don't think the majority 'fell for it.' I just liked the idea, and was surprised it was a rumor at all.

Now, if they do a Mar-Vell and Rambeau Captain Marvel movie, I would be so utterly happy it doesn't even make sense. NO sense. At all. No sense.

Mahr-Vell was always a flat character. His most notable story was dying of cancer. Monica is a cool character but she's Spectrum now since naming her Captain marvel made no sense since her powers never had anything to do with the Kree.

And what's with the Carol hate? Comparing her to Hal Jordan is like comparing Peter Parker to Clark Kent or Tony Stark to Bruce Wayne.

Those comparisons totally happen though. What happens though is people find that "Oh, Peter Parker has unique abilities and costumes and personality and villains..." or "Oh, Tony Stark has unique abilities and skills and costumes and storylines..." but when they do that with Carol... she doesn't have a unique personality compared to Hal, or unique powers compared to Hal, or Tony Stark, or a unique backstory, or unique enemies or setting. She has a little of Cap's military and a little of Thor's powerhouse going on, but in the end... she's kind of a pastiche of the big 3, but a girl. It's similar to the problem Black Panther has, though he actually does have a unique setting, supporting cast and rogues.


And Spectrum will eventually appear in an Avengers film, probably Avengers 4 since she's been a member for a long time but the Avengers who can carry a film under another name like Carol Danvers, Black Panther, Namor, Crystal and Blade will all probably show up first, with the former two in Phase 3 and the latter three in Phase 4. Monica may still appear in Avengers 4 if the teams get split into 2.

Perhaps, but as far as narrative potential, and having unique powerset, supporting cast, rogues gallery, genre, costume, personality, setting and etc, Monica is a much better call for a solo movie than most unfilmed characters that come up. As far as potential appeal she's on par with Namor and Blade, far beyond Crystal and Carol, and maybe even BP, when it comes to being unique and interesting. But I think you're right in that Marvel will not capitalize on her potential. But there's a chance, since Feige is/was considering an original female over Carol, why not use one of the characters they actually do have? Whedon wants Tigra, fyi. Marvel made a mistake making her the flagship female in '06, imho. A better pick would have been Jan (with some uniqueness from Pym), or Wanda (minus the craziness) or even Tigra or Monica or someone who is not so... Hal Jordan-y.
 
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To be fair, it's not like fan's requesting a CM movie is unreasonable. We've only had a handful of female-led CBM's, and they've been terrible. It's been almost a decade since we got one period. It's not unreasonable to want one before we're all middle-aged. It's easy to throw around hypotheticals, but put your money where your mouth is. No one is expecting a CM movie next year, but if you cannot get ONE female led movie out by freaking 2019, then that is a problem. Thus far it's been movies starring white guys across the board. And the whole "well it doesn't fit our plan" isn't much of a defense because that means that you DELIBERATELY planned out your universe so that they're wouldn't be a female-led movie for many years from the BEGINNING!! Actually, that makes it WORSE since it was INTENTIONAL, as opposed to merely being an oversight. The same applies to minority-led movies. Of course, if we find out that one of these movies is BP, or CM, or BW, etc, then this entire conversation will be irrelevant. But right now, that's a hypothetical.
 
IMO, there's a 40% chance we'll see Monica in the MCU with Agents of SHIELD and the expanded Marvel film schedule now. Her chances of showing up in the MCU have increased. Rosario Dawson was my top choice but since she's joining the MCU as another character (I am going to say Misty Knight), it will have to be someone else.

Of course if all of the major Hollywood trades say a certain named black actress is in talks for an unspecified role in an MCU movie, the logical thinking is that it's Monica.
 
I don't think the majority 'fell for it.' I just liked the idea, and was surprised it was a rumor at all.

Now, if they do a Mar-Vell and Rambeau Captain Marvel movie, I would be so utterly happy it doesn't even make sense. NO sense. At all. No sense.



Those comparisons totally happen though. What happens though is people find that "Oh, Peter Parker has unique abilities and costumes and personality and villains..." or "Oh, Tony Stark has unique abilities and skills and costumes and storylines..." but when they do that with Carol... she doesn't have a unique personality compared to Hal, or unique powers compared to Hal, or Tony Stark, or a unique backstory, or unique enemies or setting. She has a little of Cap's military and a little of Thor's powerhouse going on, but in the end... she's kind of a pastiche of the big 3, but a girl. It's similar to the problem Black Panther has, though he actually does have a unique setting, supporting cast and rogues.




Perhaps, but as far as narrative potential, and having unique powerset, supporting cast, rogues gallery, genre, costume, personality, setting and etc, Monica is a much better call for a solo movie than most unfilmed characters that come up. As far as potential appeal she's on par with Namor and Blade, far beyond Crystal and Carol, and maybe even BP, when it comes to being unique and interesting. But I think you're right in that Marvel will not capitalize on her potential. But there's a chance, since Feige is/was considering an original female over Carol, why not use one of the characters they actually do have? Whedon wants Tigra, fyi. Marvel made a mistake making her the flagship female in '06, imho. A better pick would have been Jan (with some uniqueness from Pym), or Wanda (minus the craziness) or even Tigra or Monica or someone who is not so... Hal Jordan-y.

My point is that she's a pilot, so's Hal Jordan. That's where the similarities end. She's as much of a Hal Jordan clone as War Machine is.

Carol also does have a unique rogue's gallery. If anything, the X-Men stole Deathbird and Mystique from her although Deathbird still remains a Captain marvel enemy. She also has Moonstone, Ghazi Rashid, Doomsday Man, Monica Rappaccini, Cru, The Brood, Yon-Rogg, Warren Traveler, Warbird, Commander Steigan of the Haffenseye and Grace Valentine. She also fights MODOK from time to time but MODOK also fight Captain America, Iron Man and Hulk.

That's still a pretty large rogues gallery. Granted, a lot of these villains are underdeveloped since Carol's only had a consistent solo title since 2005 but it's still about as developed as Moon Knight's.

And as far as supporting characters go, Sarah Day is a big one who's exclusive to her. Same with her cat Chewie, Kamala Khan, and her neighbors. That's in addition to potential for cameos from War Machine and Jessica Jones. She's plenty developed.

Monica has had all of TWO solo issues. Two. As far as a unique supporting cast goes, she has NO unique rogues. NONE. She has no supporting cast other than the Avengers or Nextwave, the latter of which can't be done because Tabitha Smith is part of Fox's X-Men license. Nextwave would still be an ensemble and not a solo film. Plus, she's Spectrum now. Nobody calls her Captain Marvel anymore.

And for the record, Carol is the only female solo character who Marvel can put up on the big screen. Jessica Jones is going to TV. Misty Knight will probably be a supporting character on Iron Fist. Elektra will probably be a supporting character on Daredevil. Even among Black Widow and She-Hulk, both of those would be better off as TV shows since I can see them done on a smaller budget and their stories just seem to work better on TV with She-Hulk's legal drama and Black Widow bound to have a crapton of cliffhangers, I just can't see them being big screen solo films.
 
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Black Widow aint goen to TV as long as Scarlet is involved. There's plenty you can do with the character on the big screen that audiences would pay for opening week. I can't see them ever droppning one of their A list Avengers for a full time tv gig. Especially the one everyone associates with and is now fully invested in as the female lead of the series. Would be a big mistake at this point.
 
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Where are we all now then on the 2017-18 movies assuming the following...

  • Ant-Man: July 17, 2015
  • Captain America 3: May 6, 2016
  • Doctor Strange: July 8, 2016
  • Untitled Film: May 5, 2017
  • Untitled Film: July 28, 2017
  • Thor 3: November 3, 2017
  • Untitled Film: July 6, 2018
  • Untitled Film: November 2, 2018
  • Avengers 3: May 3, 2019

...could two of these be GOTG 2 and Hulk solo movive?
...and who are the two or three favourites for the other slots?
 
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Hulk will be in if they don't go with GotG 2. Or they will do both. But if Hulk isn't on that slate, I don't think there is a single film I will be watching in that slate, other than Avengers 3. The rest will depend on stellar feedback from critics and audiences for me to pay for a seat.
 
My point is that she's a pilot, so's Hal Jordan. That's where the similarities end. She's as much of a Hal Jordan clone as War Machine is.

Carol also does have a unique rogue's gallery. If anything, the X-Men stole Deathbird and Mystique from her although Deathbird still remains a Captain marvel enemy. She also has Moonstone, Ghazi Rashid, Doomsday Man, Monica Rappaccini, Cru, The Brood, Yon-Rogg, Warren Traveler, Warbird, Commander Steigan of the Haffenseye and Grace Valentine. She also fights MODOK from time to time but MODOK also fight Captain America, Iron Man and Hulk.

That's still a pretty large rogues gallery. Granted, a lot of these villains are underdeveloped since Carol's only had a consistent solo title since 2005 but it's still about as developed as Moon Knight's.

And as far as supporting characters go, Sarah Day is a big one who's exclusive to her. Same with her cat Chewie, Kamala Khan, and her neighbors. That's in addition to potential for cameos from War Machine and Jessica Jones. She's plenty developed.

Monica has had all of TWO solo issues. Two. As far as a unique supporting cast goes, she has NO unique rogues. NONE. She has no supporting cast other than the Avengers or Nextwave, the latter of which can't be done because Tabitha Smith is part of Fox's X-Men license. Nextwave would still be an ensemble and not a solo film. Plus, she's Spectrum now. Nobody calls her Captain Marvel anymore.

And for the record, Carol is the only female solo character who Marvel can put up on the big screen. Jessica Jones is going to TV. Misty Knight will probably be a supporting character on Iron Fist. Elektra will probably be a supporting character on Daredevil. Even among Black Widow and She-Hulk, both of those would be better off as TV shows since I can see them done on a smaller budget and their stories just seem to work better on TV with She-Hulk's legal drama and Black Widow bound to have a crapton of cliffhangers, I just can't see them being big screen solo films.

She's a pilot, yes, with a typical Top Gun Maverick pilot personality, who got her powers of flight and energy manipulation from a dying alien from whom she took her name. It's the same personality on the same journey with the same abilities. Not so much with War Machine... like... at all.

Now please don't take my statements as saying Carol has zero development or that Monica should be "Captain Marvel," but as you look at her villains, can you make a movie out of her fighting and evil sorcerer, adding Dr. Strange to the people she's redundant with. It's not just that they're undeveloped... they products of her redundant theme, so one of her villains comes from a military POW story that Cap would be more at home in. Several are X-Men villains, and several are Mar-Vell's villains. It's a gallery, but it's not very good, in terms of creating a unique story. But yes, her alien enemies and magical sorcerers have different names than the alien heroes' alien enemies and the magical heroes' magical enemies.

Sarah Day and Chewie are awesome unique characters I love, btw. Good point. But no, The X-Men did no steal Mystique from her, the X-Men made Ms. Marvel a relevant character and gave her a setting when she had none. When she left them to go be an Avenger, they kept their stuff, including the Chris Claremont created Mystique.

As you learn about the character's history, you see Monica actually does have unique villains in Brazillian crime lord Kristina Ramos and is the original foe of super strong Powderkeg, as well as origin story villains Ernesto Ramirez and Felipe Picaro, more products of her unique harbor patrol/dimensional energy/mad scientist cartels theme. So while I agree that Blackout and Moonstone are not unique rogues they are also not ones that fit better going against other superheroes, which says a lot about her as a unique character. And she also has unique supporting cast, even in her TWO solo issues. Think about the list you just gave for a character with two solo series, and then look at this one character who, with only two solo issues has two named parents with personalities, coworkers in Captain Ron Morgan, partner John Audain, family friends in Andre LeClaire in addition to love interests in the brothers Derek and Duane Freeman (IKR!), in *addition* to the Nextwave supporting cast and villains being unique to her amongst Avengers and potential solo heroes.

Carol is certainly the one pushed the most, but she is not the only one who can be shot on film, or the only one Feige and co have talked about. Tigra, Spectrum, Crystal, Firestar, Arachne and perhaps a couple others are all at least as full of potential as Captain Marvel and none of the others would be referred to a lesser female version of a male character. Yes, she's a strong, brave, admirable, respectable hero. So is Hal Jordan though...
 
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Tigra, Spectrum, Crystal, Firestar, Arachne and perhaps a couple others are all at least as full of potential as Captain Marvel and none of the others would be referred to a lesser female version of a male character.
Curiously, it's been a while since I've heard Jessica Drew suggested as a possible solo female lead. I don't know if maybe that's because of the idea that Skye may have been her, or the unfortunate name-similarity with Spider-man, or the (very vague) similarity to Black Widow (a female spy-like character named after spiders). Or is there some other reason she wouldn't be a good character for a potential solo film?
 
I forgot about Drew's similarity to Widow. It's that and the whole works for SHIELD used to work for HYDRA and even the way they deal with problems with espionage, seduction, agility and martial arts. Spider-Woman just does it with powers. So if you make a Spider-Woman movie, you're kind of giving Black Widow's movie, maybe even down to individual plot points, to someone else.
 
Black Widow aint goen to TV as long as Scarlet is involved. There's plenty you can do with the character on the big screen that audiences would pay for opening week. I can't see them ever droppning one of their A list Avengers for a full time tv gig. Especially the one everyone associates with and is now fully invested in as the female lead of the series. Would be a big mistake at this point.

I think that really depends on what that show would be honestly.

A ten episode mini-series focused on her past would be better suited for the format over a movie I think. Get to explore her early years, her run-in The Winter Soldier, her first encounter with SHIELD/Nick Fury (and joining them), whatever happened in Budapest with Hawkeye, etc.

I agree a full Multi-season series is a little too unrealistic, but I doubt Scarlett is above one season at least.

Mini-series honestly would be a great way to go to expand upon corners of the universe that call for it, but aren't big enough for their own movie. Agent Carter was a good start, hopefully they confirm the Howling Commandos will be in it too.
 
My guess so far -

2015

July

Ant-Man


2016

May

Captain America 3

July

Doctor Strange


2017

May

Thor 3


July

Black Panther


November

GOTG 2


2018

July

*New*


November

*New*


2019

May

Avengers 3



Candidates

Ms. Marvel
The Runaways
Inhumans
 
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I agree a full Multi-season series is a little too unrealistic, but I doubt Scarlett is above one season at least.

I don't know about that. She is pretty high in demand right now with 3-4 starring films being released a year. While I can see an appearance or 2 on AOS or something, they would rank in far more dough with a film no doubt.

Personally I'd prefer a big budget film, not that I would ever be against the idea as a fan. But I don't see it as a profitable situation for Marvel comapred to the alternative when they have a slew of other shows that will be connected in their own part of town/time. She's established as the theatrical female lead for now and I don't see that changing anytime soon till post Avengers 3. Unless of course they give her the axe or something.
 
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Hulk will be in if they don't go with GotG 2. Or they will do both. But if Hulk isn't on that slate, I don't think there is a single film I will be watching in that slate, other than Avengers 3. The rest will depend on stellar feedback from critics and audiences for me to pay for a seat.

Yeah, if we don't get another Hulk film, whether that be a GotG type deal or a just another sequel I'll be fairly disappointed.
 

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