Phoenix: Did you like her explanation?

I wasn't too impressed by the Phoenix explanation they wrote into it. It really seemed to grate with everything that Singer was trying to set up with Jean's powers rapidly advancing and evolving, by saying that they were already there the whole time simply blocked away. I know explanations have came up, with her powers simply "seeping" out from the block, etc, but still it doesn't sit very comfortably with me to be honest. It seems like 2 very different ideas on where her "Phoenix" power came from have been mashed together and not very convincingly.

Also, I wasn't too pleased with the whole reasoning of her being called "Phoenix". It just seemed like a random name pulled out of nowhere because there was no basis on her naming herself that.

I would've tweaked things just a little. I would've had Magneto give her the name of Phoenix. Kinda like how he pushed Pyro into fully accepting that name. Maybe have had Magneto give a little speech on how she rose from the ashes, more powerful than before.
 
Didn't like the explanation - it doesn't sit with the first two films.
Try watching them.
I just can't see how Jean had two sides and Xavier was a manipulating jerk all along.
Even playing for memory lost could work better for me.
 
J.Howlett said:
Maniac,

That still doesn't change the fact that the Phoenix personality, which in The Last Stand Xavier says exist, never reveals itself in either X-Men or X2.

The way those films were implying it was that she was evolving into something more, something else. Even Singer on the audio commentary of X2 states that at the time of Jean's sacrifice, that she is evolving. She's changing, not that another personality was revealing itself.

There was not a hint of rage or anger when Phoenix appeared in X2 like there was in The Last Stand, which is described as the more lethal creature in the unconscious part of her mind.

The Phoenix personality was blocked away by Xavier in her subconscious mind.

When the Phoenix and all its immense power came to the forefront, she couldn't control it. It came to the forefront because she 'died', her conscious mind switching itself off in that cocoon, so the subconscious part (Phoenix) could re-emerge.

As Magneto says 'We thought we'd found the next stage in evolution'... but then Xavier controlled it, stopped it flourishing. In X2, it was beginning to take hold of her and evolve her. The Phoenix power, but not the full darkness of the primal Phoenix personality. This was a gradual thing, something asserting itself. When she held back that wall of water in X2, she was 'good Phoenix.' In X3 she did have 'good Phoenix' power (like holding back Scott's blasts) but she was unstable and not in control, the darker side taking over and 'abusing' that power because it was so primal and elemental.

I get what you are hinting at, but given the fact we didn't get a two-movie storyline, i think what we did get worked very well.

What we saw in X3 was good Phoenix (but not called that) battling Dark Phoenix (just called Phoenix). Scott's death was the first example of a darker side without restraint or control. As the dark side took over, she was evolving into something barbaric and primal.

I think you are going to disappear up your own argument if you continue relentlessly over-analysing, almost like you want to destroy your own enjoyment of anything.
 
I'm not destroying my own enjoyment of the film mainly because I didn't enjoy the film at all. It was a very frustrating experience for me to watch that film mainly because they got alot of ideas right but didn't execute at all.

The seams of this film could've been easily fixed had everyone just taken a step back and really looked at the script hard enough. This could've been a compelling, action drama. Instead, it's a missed opportunity.
 
Alright, sorry to jump in. I haven't really closely read any of the arguement here and I'm not taking sides (for the record I like how it was handled, albeit a bit of a rush job) but heres a theory. Now this is pretty wishful thinking assuming that the film makers left it up to the fans to put the pieces together (which they didn't intend, more or less a fan, trying to clean things up)

Why not assume that Jeans attitude as a child was influenced by possesion from a cosmic being? (I know "Because they didn't explain that in any of the movies", but again, wishful thinking) There are many references in the film to classic films of possesion, most notably, The excorsist. (pictures jumping on the wall, the water spinning, the floating) I know these are explained through Jeans Pshycic ability, but in including such allusions, perhaps they wanted movie goers to make that connection.

The Professors Pshycic blocks could have been supressing the being that was in possession of the child would have been altered by the radiation from Magneto's machine in X1, infact this very radiation could have manipulated the blocks, Jean, or even the Pheonix in a way that made Xaviers safe gaurds obsolete, even after trying to reinstall them. This would explain why Jean's alternate personality called itself 'The Pheonix' it would explain why her powers began to seep through the barriers in X2 and why Xavier couldn't stop it in X3, all the while staying true to the comics. The reasoning behind them not blaming Jean's other self would be because realistically our knowledge of space is not vast enough to determine what an alien life form would be, let alone one with no physical form. It is also fitting with today to diognose some sort of disorder rather than blaming the paranormal, supernatural, or extra terrestrial. Takes some digging and analysis. The average movie goer probably wouldn't look into it this deeply considering that they would need to have comic background, (and it was never mentioned in the films...) But just a thought. I'm not sure what I believe, but this could be used as a defense against "It isn't like the comics" or just a fun theory. I don't think the writters had this intention, but I'm imaginitive and optimistic so...
 
The explaination is actually pretty consistent with the comics. In the comics Xavier too repressed her powers when she was younger so that she can better grow into them. Then the original Phoenix story had it where she evolved and became the force of creation and passion due to the radiation of a massive solar flare which set off her powers fully and she realized her full potential. She even set up a series of circuit breakers in her mind to hold her powers back. Mastermind wore down those blocks and she became corrupted and seduced by those powers. Hence Dark Phoenix.

After numerous retcons and what not, recent stories have shown that becoming Phoenix is her mutation, and she does have quite a schizo side to her because when she dies she shatters into billions of pieces and not all her parts return to her properly.
 
sorry about the grammer in my previous post, I'm beat.
 
Ahura Mazda said:
Well my problem with his explanation in this movie was why would this second personality call herself Pheonix given there were no flames or bird, nor did she resurrect herself from her ashes (when she was a youth) so why would she call herself that.

Look Prof X's explaination was perfect. If FOX does another movie i hope they really go back to this and make Phoenix the main plot along with the hellfire Club. Xavier said it was another personality which could be a split disorder if they want to go that route or they want to say it's a separate entity that uses jean for a host. It's very easy to go either way with the explaination he gave. In the comics The Phoenix is a separate creature that can't manifest on this plane of reality with out bonding to a host. Jean's mutation gives her access to the force and her body to be used to host it in our or the comic universe that she lives in. There isn't anything wrong with what Xavier said and it leaves it open enough to go down the road that the Phoenix is a separate creature. Xavier doesn't know much about it because he sealed it off from her concious mind, which is also why it had no power.
 
I think the movie's explanation works... Jean is very internal and with her mental abilities she could have developed personalities and with X's mental blocks she never was full out... for me it works.
 
the only thing i didnt like was the word "cocoon"... funny word:)
 
It made sense to me...and I happen to like the word "Cocoon" hmmm if Jean was alive within it...who knows what she's been doing with her time inside it between x2 and 3...

hmm :)
 
X-Maniac said:
Jean's 'Phoenix' side was restrained by Xavier, as he says in X3. He placed blocks on that subconscious part of her mind.

I feel the need to clarif this. Xavier says directly in the movie he placed the blocks to isolate her powers, and that resulted in the creation of the personality. Xavier did not create mental blocks in Jean to suppress an already existing personality.


X-Maniac said:
She was not allowed to use Cerebro, but in X1 she did...thus beginning the breakdown of those barriers, as Cerebro amplifies psi-powers.

The idea that it was Cerebro that caused the change is 100% speculation on your part, and is not supported in the movies as I can tell. I suspect there is a reason Scott references Liberty Island and not the use of Cerebro as the point in which Jean has changed from.


X-Maniac said:
With Xavier captured in most of X2, he wouldn't be aware of everything going on with Jean.

Yet Jean states in the museum scene that her telepathy was already on the fritz between X1 and X2, and with no world-shattering situations to distract him between films, shouldn't he have noticed? Shouldn't he have sensed the disturbance in the museum, since he was actually physically there? More inconsistencies.


X-Maniac said:
Xavier's powers did not always detect what was going on, just as he isn't aware of every single thought of every single person.

Of course I'm not suggesting Xavier should have been aware of what everyone everywhere was thinking. What I'm actually getting at is that if you had put mental blocks into the mind of a class five mutant, one of the strongest in the world, and even admit to private sessions when you explore those blocks, it's not unreasonable to think you'd be monitoring her to make sure those blocks are in place. Xavier did not always detect what was going on? Perhaps, yet he seemed to have no problem sensing what was going on at Alkaline Lake the instant it happened. And we're supposed to believe he was both completely oblivious to the build-up to that power in Jean and the destruction of blocks he created in her mind? Hmmmm.


X-Maniac said:
You are more caught up in the analysis than in enjoying the experience of what is a piece of fantasy fiction at the end of the day.

Not quite. I wouldn't be caught up in the analysis if the movie was well written and didn't raise these kind of questions with its own flaws. But since the explanation and portrayal contradicts what had already been established, I can't just sit back and enjoy it anyways.


X-Maniac said:
I know what I'd rather do.

Then go do it. But to suggest that this is simply a matter of over-analysis is ridiculous. There are clear flaws in this plotline from movie to movie, and for some people who don't just sit back and enjoy things that don't make sense or aren't well done, that's bothersome.

Let's put it this way, since you used a food analogy: if I order a steak in a restaurant, and it's not cooked well, I won't sit there and just ignore that and continue eating my steak as if it's fine.
 
First things first...as it was ORIGINALLY written, there WAS NO COSMIC FORCE CALLED THE PHOENIX FORCE. The events of the shuttle incident, meaning Jean desperately committed to saving her fellow X-Men, pushing her powers to the limit to survive the most intense solar flare on record, caused a breakdown of the mental blocks placed in Jean's mind by Xavier(which at first blocked off her telepathy completely, and limited her power in general), which in turned caused Jean to realize her full potential as a psi...she briefly became a being of pure thought, before refomring as Phoenix.

Later on, after the M'kraan crystal incident(where she first tapped in to the true nature of her powers), she instinctively erected her own mental barriers, to cut her powers back down from their cosmic peak...she was still extremely powerful, but this allowed her powers to be within her control. Eventually, through the manipulations of Emma Frost and Mastermind, they began tapping into primal dark emotions within Jean. While in their control, as The Black Queen, Cyclops used his psychic rapport with Jean(which was established earlier), to enter Jean's mind...he found Mastermind in there and they dueled. Scott "died", and the shock of seeing this snapped Jean back to her senses and broke mastermind's hold on her and she helped the X-Men defeat the hellfire club...this also broke through the mental barriers she had placed in her own mind, and combined with the dark emotions that had been stirred up by mastermind, she became Dark Phoenix.

All references to "cosmic force/entity" "cosmic clone" etc, came from the 1986 retcon, and NOT the original story...so it is not a contradiction of the original story for Jean to be Phoenix...that's how it originally was. Even after the retcon, it was still stated that Phoenix represents Jean's ultimate potential. It has now been re-established in the comics(Claremont's stories, Morrison's New X-Men, Endsong, etc) that Jean=Phoenix.

Anywho...yes I liked X3's explanation, despite it being rushed(like the movie in general).

X1...Jean is first affected by the residual radiation from Magneto's machine...in essence, this replaces the solar radiation from the shuttle incident in the comics. Remember that Xavier said "there appears to be none" referring to effects on mutants...this is an ASSUMPTION, not a fact, and for the most part it's true. Why is Jean different? Because of the nature of her powers...her powers are mental. Magnetism and telepathy have a relationship in the comics(brain waves, electric impulses, etc). Magneto has used his powers several times to block psychic probes, and has even projected an astral image of himself back in the wacky pseudo-science days of the 60s. We clearly see a reaction from Jean after the machine shuts down...it was talked about on the commentary track, and it was later referenced to specifically by Cyclops in X2...this was the start of the mental block breakdown.

X2...her powers are expanding, or rather, she's able to access more of it(semantics really). There are control issues, likely related to not being used to this increasing scope of her powers. Also, since the blocks are only weakened, not completely dissolved, she essentially has "power outtages"(her power shutting off after destroying the first missle for instance) or other side effects(affecting electrical equipment around her, which is my take on why she left the plane...greatly supported by a deleted scene of her manipulating the plane controls telekinetically while en route to Nightcrawler, and causing electrical interference). Near the end of X2, when Cyclops shoots at her, she's forced to draw on more power to protect herself, which, due to the blocks still being there, causes an unstable burst of power, knocking both Cyclops and herself back and causing collateral damage to the dam. At the end, she commits herself to saving her friends. She is still unstable, but she's 100% committed and there's no room for error...she seals up the jet, powers it up, prevents nightcrawler from teleporting to her, blocks the water, lifts the Jet, and says her goodbyes via Xavier. This is very similar to the shuttle incident where she commits herself, prevents Cyclops from talking her out of it(she telepathically forces him asleep), and pushes herself to her (perceived) limit to save them.

X3...she "dies", but her subsconscious mind protects her via her telekinetic powers. In the comics, she essentially appears to herself in gold-woman form, an aspect of Jean's personality called Phoenix, who says she can save her by merging with her, creating a new body, and putting her radiation-ravaged body in a healing cocoon.

When Jean returns, her powers are fully unleashed, and so is the other side of her personality. Now the problem with the movie is that there is little time for development, so it's mostly "evil" Jean we see, with little transition to "good" Jean save for the med lab scene. Since everything is crammed into one movie, and worst, is shared with the cure plot, there's no slow build it, so it just seems like Jean's problem is with power, when that really wasn't the case. She handled power just fine in the comics, it was the stirring up of her inner dark emotions that made her lash out and be wreckless with her powers.

Anywho, for all intents and purposes, Jean in X2 was the movie version of "Phoenix" and Jean in X3 was the movie version of "Dark Phoenix". X2 Jean had the same growth in power yet instinctual inner barriers and power inconsistencies that comic Phoenix had, and in X3, Jean's powers were at their max and her personality was malicious, just as they were when she was Dark Phoenix(creating a wormhole in space, devouring a star, etc).
 
Cyke82 said:
I feel the need to clarif this. Xavier says directly in the movie he placed the blocks to isolate her powers, and that resulted in the creation of the personality. Xavier did not create mental blocks in Jean to suppress an already existing personality.
The idea that it was Cerebro that caused the change is 100% speculation on your part, and is not supported in the movies as I can tell. I suspect there is a reason Scott references Liberty Island and not the use of Cerebro as the point in which Jean has changed from.
Yet Jean states in the museum scene that her telepathy was already on the fritz between X1 and X2, and with no world-shattering situations to distract him between films, shouldn't he have noticed? Shouldn't he have sensed the disturbance in the museum, since he was actually physically there? More inconsistencies.
Of course I'm not suggesting Xavier should have been aware of what everyone everywhere was thinking. What I'm actually getting at is that if you had put mental blocks into the mind of a class five mutant, one of the strongest in the world, and even admit to private sessions when you explore those blocks, it's not unreasonable to think you'd be monitoring her to make sure those blocks are in place. Xavier did not always detect what was going on? Perhaps, yet he seemed to have no problem sensing what was going on at Alkaline Lake the instant it happened. And we're supposed to believe he was both completely oblivious to the build-up to that power in Jean and the destruction of blocks he created in her mind? Hmmmm.
Not quite. I wouldn't be caught up in the analysis if the movie was well written and didn't raise these kind of questions with its own flaws. But since the explanation and portrayal contradicts what had already been established, I can't just sit back and enjoy it anyways.
Then go do it. But to suggest that this is simply a matter of over-analysis is ridiculous. There are clear flaws in this plotline from movie to movie, and for some people who don't just sit back and enjoy things that don't make sense or aren't well done, that's bothersome.
Let's put it this way, since you used a food analogy: if I order a steak in a restaurant, and it's not cooked well, I won't sit there and just ignore that and continue eating my steak as if it's fine.

I can see where and why you are confused. So let me assist further.

At the end of X2, Jean appears to reach full psi potential as she sacrifices herself, and then we see the phoenix in the water and hear her repeat Xavier's monologue about evolution, as though it now applies to her.

Bryan Singer quite clearly set up the idea of her 'psychic blocks' being shattered by the radiation at Liberty Island (and, some have also suggested, partly by her using Cerebro earlier on).

As she says to Xavier, in a deleted scene 'My power is expanding all the time'. She also tells Wolverine that Xavier is helping her develop her telepathy, so he clearly is working with her on issues of control as she uses her powers more and more. If he'd been keeping his psychic blocks intact all the time, the Phoenix would never have emerged in the comics or in the movies... There would be no Phoenix saga if he was as all-knowing and all-sensing as you would like, so we can dismiss this part of your argument as absurd.

Her power is expanding and he is teaching her, believing the 'Phoenix' dark side to be repressed and in control - which it is, until her conscious mind (the good side that is in control) goes into a suspended state or coma beneath that lake when she pushes her conscious mind to the limit and appears to die. Then the dark side is released...and we see the Phoenix itself soaring free through the waters of the lake... So, when she returns, there are no barriers, the dark side is fighting for control...

I think you and many others are misreading the term 'evolution' as though it means genetic advancement, a secondary mutation, and as though her speech at the end of X2 implies her evolution is taking a huge leap at that very point. In X2, Magneto tells her they thought they'd found the next stage of evolution (ie beyond most 'normal' mutants) when they saw her as a child. Her monologue can be interpreted to mean that she herself represented a leap in evolution which was clearly visible when she was a child, not that she made a huge leap herself at the end of the movie (although she did push her consciously-controlled power to its limit). Jean Grey always represented a leap in evolution; her powers were restrained but she expanded them and reached the potential she had as a child, a potential she was unable to control.

It's evolution in terms of growth, expansion, development... her powers are evolving to their full potential, the potential she had as a child, a potential which was held back by Xavier, which he says led to the dark subconscious personality called the Phoenix. (When I said he restrained her Phoenix side, i was simplifying it - he was restraining the full potential of her powers, those awesome powers he doubted she could fully control; but yes, he says in the movie that his restraint led to this suppressed dark side where the full power lay..)

(As an aside, and as something which supports the fact her use of Cerebro was put there for a reason, one of Bryan Singer's ideas for X3 was that the Phoenix 'force' had come into her mind during her use of Cerebro in X1)

I can't see anywhere where the events of the three movies don't make sense.
 
DarknessOfDeath said:
It made sense to me...and I happen to like the word "Cocoon" hmmm if Jean was alive within it...who knows what she's been doing with her time inside it between x2 and 3...

hmm :)
cocoon
 
again... what has she been doing inside the Cocoon all this time between x2 and 3 I wonder...hmmm
 
I liked the telekinetic cocoon and the different personalities. I honestly didn't know they were going with that explanation, but I think it's a good way to see the dark side of Jean or Phoenix more than seeing just Jean being consumed by power. The latter might not have evoked a persuasive "evil side" of Jean.

I just wanted the dang firebird!
 
maybe Aqua man came for a visit inside her cocoon...

Remember the little clip of her dancing outside her trailer and singing in her x-suit? I think she was singing "Aqua Aqua"...
 
Here is an updated explanation from Wikipedia: In the feature films X-Men, X2 and X-Men: The Last Stand, Grey was portrayed by Famke Janssen. In the film series, she is the team’s medical doctor. In the first two films, she was not as powerful as her comic book counterpart but, near the end of X2, she exhibited what may have been Phoenix-like powers. In X-Men: The Last Stand, she appears in a form similar to Dark Phoenix, but is merely called The Phoenix and exhibits Phoenix level powers. She does not show any signs of the fiery Phoenix energy usually associated with the Phoenix. In the movie Xavier explains that Jean is a "Class 5" mutant. Because of this power she developed a split personality, one, Jean Grey and the other, the Phoenix . Xavier put up mind blocks to keep the Phoenix at bay. Because of the dam accident at Alkali Lake the Phoenix was allowed to emerge. It is the Phoenix who kills Scott (Cyclops) and later Xavier. She joins Magneto and his Brotherhood of Mutants. During the attack on Alcatraz Island she destroys much of Worthington Labs, and kills both mutants and humans alike before allowing herself to be killed by Wolverine. When using her Phoenix powers, Jean's appearance changes considerably. Her skin darkens and her eyes turn black.
 
X-Maniac said:
I can't see anywhere where the events of the three movies don't make sense.

Well, I can. And to be honest, I'm tired of writing pages and pages of analysis arguing one opinion versus the other. I've explained why I didn't like the explanation and why I don't think it works. You obviously think it does, and we can agree to disagree.
 
The reason people don't seem to think the explanation works is that the "evolution" of her powers is not mentioned in X3, and is shown, and mentioned in X2.

Ok...

X-MEN: Jean still has Xavier's psychic blocks in place, which only put her powers available to her conscious mind, but not her subconscious mind, which is the part of her that desires power.

X2: The events of Liberty Island begin to evolve her powers. As Jean's power grows, her psychic blocks are still in place, but her subconscious, which still desires power, begins to desire the greater powers she now has. She has powers so great that her repressed subconscious, which is growing stronger and stronger (think about what happens in terms of wanting something the more you deny it yourself as an example), begins to break free of the psychic barriers, and siphon off power. Jean's consciousness essentially partially surrenders to this new personality at the end of X2, becoming Phoenix, and is able to utlize her powers. She "dies" as Phoenix. Or rather, she doesn't die, and Phoenix takes over, using the newfound (evolved) power to protect it's host identity, and grow even stronger with desire for power.

X3: Phoenix, having been in a cocoon of energy, still greatly desires power. She calls Scott to her, because she has the power to do that, even somewhat dormant. Scott, who, let's face it, kind of IS power, arrives at Alkali Lake. His beams alert the dormant Phoenix to the power she can now have. Using her own power, Phoenix leaves her cocoon and rises, confonting Scott. Dark Phoenix is born when Phoenix's desire for power and control becomes so great that she attempts to CONTROL OTHERS. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. There's no exact moment where Dark Phoenix is born, but I suspect she's struggling to be free the entire time, and takes over when she takes over Scott's powers. It's that "dark glint" in Jean's eye.

As the film progresses, Phoenix (which the movie calls "Jean") battles Dark Phoenix, which the movie calls "The Phoenix", for control, and more or less loses (why? Because overall, even as the risen Jean, she feels a LACK OF CONTROL. And Dark Phoenix does not want to be controlled. This indicates that she desires power greatly). Jean loses because, once, long ago, she surrendered to the desire for power. Phoenix is power, and craves power. Sexual power, power over life, power over people, etc.

It's a fantastic exploration on the nature of power and how it can corrupt.

Is it complicated? Yes. But it makes sense well enough, considering how ridiculous the concept is to begin with on some levels.
 
The Guard said:
The reason people don't seem to think the explanation works is that the "evolution" of her powers is not mentioned in X3, and is shown, and mentioned in X2.

Ok...

X-MEN: Jean still has Xavier's psychic blocks in place, which only put her powers available to her conscious mind, but not her subconscious mind, which is the part of her that desires power.

If Xavier's mental blocks simply suppress the Phoenix personality from Jean's power, then why does Jean display unparalleled power when she is a little girl as opposed to later on in her life (for instance, in X-men or X2)? It is even noted by Scott that before Liberty Island, Jean had to concentrate just to levitate a book or a chair . . . whereas, as a little girl, she hardly had to focus to practically levitate the entire block. I think the suppression must include more than just the Phoenix personality. I think the barriers are blocking a fair amount of power as well, as opposed to them only blocking the Phoenix consiousness, otherwise the Jean personality would have had access to them previously.

The Guard said:
X2: The events of Liberty Island begin to evolve her powers. As Jean's power grows, her psychic blocks are still in place, but her subconscious, which still desires power, begins to desire the greater powers she now has. She has powers so great that her repressed subconscious, which is growing stronger and stronger (think about what happens in terms of wanting something the more you deny it yourself as an example), begins to break free of the psychic barriers, and siphon off power. Jean's consciousness essentially partially surrenders to this new personality at the end of X2, becoming Phoenix, and is able to utlize her powers. She "dies" as Phoenix. Or rather, she doesn't die, and Phoenix takes over, using the newfound (evolved) power to protect it's host identity, and grow even stronger with desire for power.

X3: Phoenix, having been in a cocoon of energy, still greatly desires power. She calls Scott to her, because she has the power to do that, even somewhat dormant. Scott, who, let's face it, kind of IS power, arrives at Alkali Lake. His beams alert the dormant Phoenix to the power she can now have. Using her own power, Phoenix leaves her cocoon and rises, confonting Scott. Dark Phoenix is born when Phoenix's desire for power and control becomes so great that she attempts to CONTROL OTHERS. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. There's no exact moment where Dark Phoenix is born, but I suspect she's struggling to be free the entire time, and takes over when she takes over Scott's powers. It's that "dark glint" in Jean's eye.

As the film progresses, Phoenix (which the movie calls "Jean") battles Dark Phoenix, which the movie calls "The Phoenix", for control, and more or less loses (why? Because overall, even as the risen Jean, she feels a LACK OF CONTROL. And Dark Phoenix does not want to be controlled. This indicates that she desires power greatly). Jean loses because, once, long ago, she surrendered to the desire for power. Phoenix is power, and craves power. Sexual power, power over life, power over people, etc.

It's a fantastic exploration on the nature of power and how it can corrupt.

Is it complicated? Yes. But it makes sense well enough, considering how ridiculous the concept is to begin with on some levels.

While I find your explanation interesting, it sounds like something you just made up in order to rationalize a lack of explanation on the creative team's behalf. I don't think most people watching the movie, would think that Scott is a representation of "power" (or that he "is" power) so to speak. Or that he is somehow alerting the Phoenix to the power she can now possess, especially considering the audience isn't even introduced to the notion of the Phoenix until after Cyclops is dead. I think your explanation could work in some ways, but it's a shame the actual movie didn't take the time to make a better attempt at reconciling the story as you have.

Besides, doesn't the fact that so many people are actually debating their own different reconciliations of Jean's explanation mean that the [movie] explanation somewhat failed. That is, if it was explained well and made understandable sense to everyone, shouldn't there be no questioning it at all?
 
I thought the block explaination worked perfectly with X1 and X2. Magneto maching put a crack in the barriers and the barriers broke down slowly in X2. Xavier is not perfect and didn't notice the braking of the barriers.I think they should have left the split personality thing out. She just should have been confuse and disoriented from her "death experience" and couldn't controll her powers almost at all. She would been easilly manipulated but also easilly fustrated. Her powers suging out is burst and her having to suffer the consequences without being able to stop it. Her plea for some one to kill her would have made more sense. No one would want to live like that.
 
If Xavier's mental blocks simply suppress the Phoenix personality from her power, then why does Jean display unparalleled power when she is a little girl as opposed to later on in her life (for instance, in X-men or X2)?

Because...the blocks were in place after she went to Xavier's school, limiting her conscious access to power. Jean's subconscious desired this show of power, and she was consciously accessing that power level. She couldn't in X-MEN.

It is even noted by Scott that before Liberty Island, Jean had to concentrate just to levitate a book or a chair . . . whereas, as a little girl, she hardly had to focus to practically levitate the entire block.

"Concentrate" doesn't mean "concentrate hard". It means "concentrate".

I think the suppression must include more than just the Phoenix personality. I think the barriers are blocking a fair amount of power as well, as opposed to them only blocking the Phoenix consiousness, otherwise she would have had access to them previously.

Exactly. Phoenix is about about power and repression and what happens because of it. And Wolverine's line speaks to that.

While I find your explanation interesting, it sounds like something you just made up in order to rationalize a lack of explanation on the creative team's behalf.

Then why does it almost perfectly fit their own ideas?

I don't think most people watching the movie, would think that Scott is a representation of "power" (or that he "is" power) so to speak.

And you think the writers expect people to THINK that much about how all that intersects? Please. Nevertheless, their explanation clearly works.

And it's obvious the writers wanted certain aspects in the story that fit into the whole power dynamic. Why else is Jean "calling" Cyclops? Why is he shooting the lake when he could have shot at the sky, or trees? Why does she ask to see his eyes, almost right away?
 

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