Comics Phoenix - Warsong

[Valechan]

I don't want to agree or disagree with anyone or nitpick here, but lemme just point this out...The Phoenix Force entity is just a force, like electricity or magnetism or friction. It's not a person. Saying that it is a separate entity from Jean is completely missing the point, it's like saying magnetism is a separate force from Magneto or that the weather is a separate entity from Storm. Of course this is more large-scale than that, but the point remains the same: The Phoenix Force belongs to Jean. She, as the Phoenix, is its rightful user as designed by the universe itself. Being the Phoenix is her mutation. Maybe she didn't create the Phoenix Force, but she is the Phoenix.

And here's my long-winded evidence, as I recently posted elsewhere:

So there you have it: five different writers all saying the same thing.

Greg Pak has only been reinforcing all of that throughout Warsong. He even has a fragment of the Phoenix Force itself appear in this issue and go "btch, plz" to the renegade Stepford, showing that there are some "right" owners of the PF and some "wrong" owners.

Nice, cute... it is so alluring some people might find it correct... except... it isn't. I just have one word for thee... Feron

 

[Valechan]

Monsoon can control the weather.

Not anymore, he was depowered (and btw he couldn't control all the weather)

Back to Jean... like I said before, it is clearly stated that Feron spoke to the Force and befriended it. If, like you say, Jean was the only one ever meant to ever bond with it and all that crap... then how the hell could he talk to it and become friends with it? Jean isn't the sole person who can wield the power of the Phoenix Force. She might have done it for the longest time... for now, but it still means nothing. Who says tomorrow a mutant can't show up and access it in an hour of need (coughthatguardianofthegalaxyguyI can'trememberhisnamecough)?

 

[BrianWilly]

Nice, cute... it is so alluring some people might find it correct... except... it isn't. I just have one word for thee... Feron

And...what about Feron? What exactly did he do that disproves anything I just said?

So he hosted the Phoenix Force too. So what? I already said that Jean wasn't the only one that ever did. She is only more instrinsically tied to it than any other person was ever shown to be. You'll notice that the Phoenix ultimately left Feron, rejecting him as a host. Just like how it eventually rejected Rachel, too, and Emma and everyone else who has ever tried. Except for, oh yeah, Jean. Jean died twice, almost killed everyone a few times, forcibly rejected the Phoenix aspect of herself more than she's ever accepted it...and the Phoenix Force is still sticking right by her side, showing more devotion, attachment, and loyalty to her than to any other being it has ever known. Oh, but that must be just coincidence, right?

By the way, in the future it is stated that humanity will eventually evolve closer and closer to the ultimate evolutionary pinnacle of the Phoenix, of which Jean is the forerunner. So the fact that there is someone in the future who can also call himself the Phoenix is an argument in my favor, not against.

 

[Valechan]

Feron never hosted the Phoenix Force. Read the book, he "BEFRIENDED IT", he spoke to it, so it contradicts the part where you claim it has no sentience. How can you befriend a non-sentient entity?

 

[xphoenix_forcex]

i really hope this book ends with jean coming out of the white hot room and destorying the phoenix force once and for all, or at least somehting like she locks it in the white hot room or something and then rejoins the x-men as jean grey. i think it needs the dynamics she would add back into the team. also where did kurt and storm and angel dissapear to inthis phoenix story? i mean they were pretty main characters in endsong? did they just dissapear? i ud think theyd be called back since they were there all the other times? inconsistenct?'

 

[BrianWilly]

Feron never hosted the Phoenix Force. Read the book, he "BEFRIENDED IT", he spoke to it, so it contradicts the part where you claim it has no sentience. How can you befriend a non-sentient entity?

But it is sentient...I just said that. It just doesn't have a personality or a soul beyond anything it can mimic from real people, like a computer program. It desires those things, desires life, which is why it went to Feron, which is why it even goes to mortals at all. It's not so hard to befriend an inhuman cosmic force of the universe if all it wants is to befriend people; hell, I'd argue that it's easier than befriending real people. You'll note that the Phoenix eventually felt betrayed by Feron and left without so much as a note. Yeah, some friend.

Every single synopsis I read of Feron tells me that he "possessed" the Force in some way, which Necrom wrested from him, which is what made the Phoenix feel so betrayed in the first place. Obviously, none of them -- not Necrom, Feron, or his descendant -- were even remotely worthy of it. Not even as worthy as Rachel, and that's saying something. .

 

[firehawk66]

I haven't kept up with the War Song story, but when it comes out in the trade pb I'll read it all. I would like to say that when the Phoenix Force originally came into "being" in the comic world, it already had a sterile type personality; nuetral - no passion - no longing - no nothing - it just existed, created and purged (burned) what didn't work. Then it heard Jean call out in need and it met her need. It bonded with her, became a copy of her, taking on her personality traits and feelings.
I don't need anyone telling me the Phoenix Force can't be used by anyone else; yes it can, BUT, it bonded to Jean and will always be apart of her. It gained passion and longing - all the emotions we "humans" have and it went crazy at the overload of it all. It's like when Spock or Data from the Star Trek series gets emotions and can't handle it. NutCase! Till they figured it out anyway.
What's one of the deepest needs of most humans? To love, to procreate, Right? As far as I am concerned, and this is my opinion, nothing more, Phoenix Force is trying to create a family of little Phoenixs or an army , take your pick. Not everyone can handle the power of Phoenix, or would want to if given the choice. So these little pieces of Phoenix are going around looking for their "human" to inhabit and bond with. That would make sense to me, if the human (& mutant) race is supposed to heading in that direction anyway.

I never got the feeling the Phoenix Force was like "Highlander - There Can Be, Only One!"

 

[Valechan]

Then stop reading synopsis and read the issue, because Feron never possesed it.

 

[Cosmic Mind]

Look like the Phoenix/Jean theme is sparking things up!!! I leave for 2 weeks and a half (sort of, and might go off for a couple of more weeks) and everything goes chaotic.......

 

[Snikt 6]

^I know....actual discussion!

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Mmm.

Trying to shove the 'WTF is the phoenix force' tangeant aside...

Re-read the thing.

I know I posted some 'meh' comment, but I dunno, it just grew on me.

Certainly not the be-all-end-all of Phoenix stories, but I ended up liking it.

Oh well.

 

[Snikt 6]

^I still feel it is just average when it could have be oh so much more. I mean you got the Astonishing crew and Phoenix.....

 

[Valechan]

What I find completely dissapointing are the titles. First we get "END"song, and it wasn't the end at all, then we get "WAR"song, and it isn't a war at all... I think they should work on titling the things more properly... (I recommend "CRAP"song for the next one )

 

[Havok83]

What I find completely dissapointing are the titles. First we get "END"song, and it wasn't the end at all, then we get "WAR"song, and it isn't a war at all... I think they should work on titling the things more properly... (I recommend "CRAP"song for the next one )

I think Endsong really was supposed to be the only one but since it did so well in sales, that they then extended it. Thats the reason why we got this crap story which shouldnt have been written

 

[Snikt 6]

^And it goes on and on....all about the buck.

 

[PhoenixWillRise]

When is the final issue out!?
Is there a cover released yet?

 

[Bastila]

Wow forgot this was out, what was the last issue lol has it ended yet lol.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

due for 7th feb., I think?

 

[Cosmic Mind]

Wow, I just read the 4th issue, the phoenix force got spread in all the cukkos clones plus the three in one.......Imagine thousands of minds merge with the phoenix.........this is getting interesting..

 

[Specter313]

X-Men: Phoenix -- Warsong #5 will arrive in stores on Feb. 7 from Marvel Comics. The issue is written by Greg Pak, with art by Tyler Kirkham and a cover by Marc Silvestri.

Here's how Marvel describes the issue:

"Who dares challenge the judgment of the Phoenix? The showdown at the Weapons Plus super-soldier creation facility known as 'The World' reaches its shocking climax as the Cuckoos embrace their destiny -- and Emma Frost makes the most terrifying decision of her life."

 

[Bastila]

That cover, makes me sad and angre, there all trying to be Jean!!! Thats why I can't read this, I hate it!
Look them I hope they die, stop trying to be someone your not!

 

[gothicFLAVOURS]

That cover, makes me sad and angre, there all trying to be Jean!!! Thats why I can't read this, I hate it!
Look them I hope they die, stop trying to be someone your not!

I agree, this Warsong story isn't on the level of Endsong and neither is its art. Silvestri could have had some more original idea with this last cover when he can't even draw it like Land. I just hope the third part of this trilogy (it was going to be a trilogy, right?) is better than this one.

 

[gothicFLAVOURS]

Popcultureshock released two more preview pages of this last issue:

 

[Specter313]

Popcultureshock released two more preview pages of this last issue:

PCS doesn't allow for linking from their site, you'll have to rehost the images first.

 

[gothicFLAVOURS]

Oh thanks. I've already changed the links