Pirates of the Caribbean 5 - Part 1

[Loden Greatstorm]

News is slow in these parts....

 

[Inhuman117]

News is slow in these parts....

Warcraft Promtion is Slow here is Zero Nothing and they wrapped Filiming almost a year ago

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Warcraft Promtion is Slow here is Zero Nothing and they wrapped Filiming almost a year ago

This comes out July next year, right?

 

[Marvolo]

This comes out July next year, right?

The release date was moved up to May 26, 2017 when Star Wars Episode 8 moved to December 2017.

 

[Vartha]

Why do I still come to this thread even hoping anymore?

Well with Depp's incident that happened with their dogs in Australia I HAD to make this

 

[Reek]

I'm tempted to tell you to replace the cross bones with dog bones

 

[Vartha]

I looked all over and Couldn't find Prison Dog looking foreword in a Hi-Res picture. I would have replaced the skull lol

 

[Uskok]

‘PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES’ INVADES VANCOUVER TO FILM MORE SEQUENCES

http://www.movienewsguide.com/pirat...tales-invades-vancouver-film-sequences/189120

 

[Inhuman117]

HAHAHA holy **** just because Depp Injured his hand The Budget rises from 250 to 320 Mill damn The Movie has to be even more a Boxoffice Hit

 

[Doctor Jones]

This movie is most likely gonna end the franchise by being a financial disappointment (at least domestically) anyway so what the hell at this point?

 

[lime]

OK, if the movie make like 100 million in the US and 900 overseas, will it be a financial disappointment?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

OK, if the movie make like 100 million in the US and 900 overseas, will it be a financial disappointment?

Yes.

 

[Tilapia]

OK, if the movie make like 100 million in the US and 900 overseas, will it be a financial disappointment?

The floor is probably 150 US, but yeah, that's a flop. They only see 20% on foreign, due to the taxes and regulation. So 180 plus 150 = 330 which = the film's budget give or take a few million. Marketing costs add another 100 million. If it makes 100 US it's most definitely a flop.

The problem is Depp isn't Depp and Bloom isn't Bloom anymore. These guys need to reinvent themselves. Bloom can't be the pretty boy anymore. Depp, just hasn't been good in anything for a while. What was the last good Johnny Depp movie anyone can recall? 21 Jump Street probably.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The floor is probably 150 US, but yeah, that's a flop. They only see 20% on foreign, due to the taxes and regulation. So 180 plus 150 = 330 which = the film's budget give or take a few million. Marketing costs add another 100 million. If it makes 100 US it's most definitely a flop.

The problem is Depp isn't Depp and Bloom isn't Bloom anymore. These guys need to reinvent themselves. Bloom can't be the pretty boy anymore. Depp, just hasn't been good in anything for a while. What was the last good Johnny Depp movie anyone can recall? 21 Jump Street probably.

Let's not get crazy. Depending on the territory, they see roughly 30-40% of gross from OS markets.

 

[Loki882]

The last good Depp movie. Black Mass, it just came out last year and he was awesome in it.

 

[Tilapia]

I guess... I haven't ran the numbers as I am not an accountant in this industry. But let's hypothesize because that's what people on forums do; they are going to tax the foreign chains for importing and playing Hollywood flicks, so the chains have to take a larger cut than the say 45% of a ticket sale stateside. It's at least a 55% cut per ticket sale overseas. Not only that, the foreign state is going to sales tax the American distributors/studios on all revenue generated overseas. It's going to be a higher rate than sales tax here, at least 10%.

So my movie sells one ticket, a 10.00$ sale in China (it's a pretty bad movie I suppose). The Chinese chains take 55% of the ticket price. I'm down to 4.50$. Let's say the Chinese sales tax on my foreign film distribution is taxed on the whole sale 10%; shave off another dollar. So I'm left with 3.50$, and that's the lowest possible tax estimate.

I have to bring that money back to the states and report it to Uncle Sam as part of corporate income tax, which is anywhere from 15-39%. Of course this accounts for all profits generated. My movie studio and lone film production does 1.00$ here in the states, 10.00$ in China, I'm gonna end up with let's say 0.55$ on the state side dollar after I pay off AMC, plus the 3.50$ in China.

4.05$ is the total revenue my film and movie studio took in for the year. Let's tax that 30%. I'm left with 2.84$ after taxes.

My film cost -3.20$ to produce. I am left with -0.37$.

Simple math folks, could have done it without a calculator.

The last good Depp movie. Black Mass, it just came out last year and he was awesome in it.

First positive feedback I heard. Skipped that one obviously. Sorry.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The last good Depp movie. Black Mass, it just came out last year and he was awesome in it.

Yeah, but who watched that?

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Wow...300+ million and thats not even including marketing.

 

[darthcoolness3]

HAHAHA holy **** just because Depp Injured his hand The Budget rises from 250 to 320 Mill damn The Movie has to be even more a Boxoffice Hit

They should make the injury canon in the Pirates of the Caribbean universe and give Jack Sparrow a pirate hook to replace the the hand that got injured

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I guess... I haven't ran the numbers as I am not an accountant in this industry. But let's hypothesize because that's what people on forums do; they are going to tax the foreign chains for importing and playing Hollywood flicks, so the chains have to take a larger cut than the say 45% of a ticket sale stateside. It's at least a 55% cut per ticket overseas. Not only that, the foreign state is going to sales tax the American distributors/studios on all revenue generated overseas. It's going to be a higher rate than sales tax here, at least 10%.

So my movie sells one ticket, a 10.00$ sale in China (it's a pretty bad movie I suppose). The Chinese chains take 55% of the ticket price. I'm down to 4.50$. Let's say the Chinese sales tax on my foreign film distribution is taxed on the whole sale 10%; shave off another dollar. So I'm left with 3.50$, and that's the lowest possible tax estimate.

I have to bring that money back to the states and report it to Uncle Sam as part of corporate income tax, which is anywhere from 15-39%. Of course this accounts for all profits generated. My movie studio and lone film production does 1.00$ here in the states, 10.00$ in China, I'm gonna end up with let's say 0.55$ on the state side dollar plus the 3.50$ in China.

4.05$ is the total revenue my film and movie studio took in for the year. Let's tax that 30%. I'm left with 2.84$ after taxes.

My film cost -3.20$ to produce. I am left with -0.37$.

Do you apply taxes to domestic revenue? Because taxes exist in the US as well.

Also, two things. The vast majority report revenues between 30-40% from OS returns, with China being the lowest. Second, a lot of studios sell their international rights to international firms, so a lot of those feels don't apply to them.

 

[Tilapia]

They should make the injury canon in the Pirates of the Caribbean universe and give Jack Sparrow a pirate hook to replace the the hand that got injured

He's not Daniel Day-Lewis, otherwise that was a realistic possibility. Same for the leg he broke while filming Dead Man's Chest.

Do you apply taxes to domestic revenue? Because taxes exist in the US as well.

Also, two things. The vast majority report revenues between 30-40% from OS returns, with China being the lowest. Second, a lot of studios sell their international rights to international firms, so a lot of those feels don't apply to them.

I went 35% for overseas revenue and took out 30% for my US tax return on total income. If I took out US sales tax I lose an additional 0.05$ or so. I don't think I can be more fair than that. The particulars about China evade me.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I went 35% for overseas revenue and took out 30% for my US tax return on total income. If I took out US sales tax I lose an additional 0.05$ or so. I don't think I can be more fair than that. The particulars about China evade me.

Domestic returns are tricky because they change on a weekly basis. More for the studios the earlier in the run.

As to China, yeah it is a mystery. I do remember having a conversation about the fees involved, and apparently they aren't what you would think. They still take a big chuck, but there method of release now is a bit different then before. And if there is a Chinese stakeholder involved, there are like no fees and no 4 week restriction.

 

[Tilapia]

I'm not going to get into particulars because I'm uniformed. What I want to demonstrate is that foreign chains have to take a larger cut than AMC or Regal for playing foreign films (all to protect the local movie/entertainment industries). Then you are going to get double taxed; once by the foreign state on that sale, plus the Uncle Sam tax here.

So 900 million easily gets cut to 300 million, and that 300 million is still taxable domestically, so I would say the studio sees 250 million in their bank account from that overseas number at best. The movie is in the red with those numbers, no doubt about it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It does not get cut to 300m. It doesn't. That amount would come in roughly around 350-400m. China is not the UK, which is not Mexico or Brazil. Only China takes that much.

 

[Tilapia]

It does not get cut to 300m. It doesn't. That amount would come in roughly around 350-400m. China is not the UK, which is not Mexico or Brazil. Only China takes that much.

Cool story, bro... I'll take your word for it. Maybe you or your friends work for Disney and have a better handle on it. An extra 50 million overseas is not gonna save a 100-150 domestic haul. Numbers like that for tentpoles like this lead to Dead Producers that Tell No Further Tales.