Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides

[DarkKnight88]

but not as good.

There's no disputing that.

 

[Erzengel]

I meant in terms of quality which I'm sure some people here would debate. But I would put so many other "trilogies" ahead of the Pirates one.

 

[Secret Fawful]

There's no disputing that.

I would, but then again I have serious honest problems with Star Wars all around and just prefer the Pirates films more.

 

[Octoberist]

Maybe Return of the Jedi but nothing can touch Empire Strikes Back. I think MOST geeks and non-geeks can agree. It's really a perfect movie that is so influential and gave birth to the sequel 'cliffhanger' that Matrix and Pirates tried to do.

 

[Secret Fawful]

They're both influential and enjoyable, yes. But maybe sometime I'll hop in the Star Wars topic and discuss some of the things that really ticks me off about all six of those movies- I'm not going to muck this topic up with that.

Suffice to say, At World's End ticks me off to a great extent too, but the soundtrack more than makes up for its existence. If a s***ty movie being made every so often gets us such gorgeous music, then by all means make that s***ty movie.

 

[Octoberist]

I don't count the last three prequels. haha.

I do admit that Star Wars isn't what it used to be - it was always been 'toyetic' in nature but now, it's just milking the cash cow for Lucas. For the love of God, can't Lucas think of another franchise now, besides Indy and Star Wars? I know he tried with Willow but come on.

 

[Figs]

I don't count the last three prequels. haha.

I do admit that Star Wars isn't what it used to be - it was always been 'toyetic' in nature but now, it's just milking the cash cow for Lucas. For the love of God, can't Lucas think of another franchise now, besides Indy and Star Wars? I know he tried with Willow but come on.

That's what I've been wanting too. He still hasn't shown me that he's all that good of a director. He's basically riding the Star Wars films his entire career. He's a good idea man but an average director. He needs to do something new.

 

[Octoberist]

well I do LOVE American Graffiti

 

[ALP]

^Hold you're breath now and you'll probably die soon.

Can't teach an old dog new tricks. I highly highly doubt GL will ever put out a new franchise. Indiana Jones was his other hit. He's too content now. He's never going to move out of his successful circle to draw a square.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Lucas has never been that great of a director. Yes, American Graffitti was great but he even said it was luck. He was never that good of a writer in the first place either. Just a great storyteller.

He did THX, American Graffitti, Willow, Young Indiana Jones, and there are some other video games from Lucas Arts and is excutive producing a Red Tails film. Of course you're going to do SW and Indy. He already took his risk with SW 30 years ago. He created them for God sakes. It provides cash because they've always been popular. He is giving us more of what we want, and the Clone Wars show is excellent. He isn't doing it for the money. He is rich because his creations are immensely popular and of course he's going to get money for that. People would ***** if he stopped with SW anyway. It's still thriving and it endures. You don't stop that.

 

[Figs]

Lucas has never been that great of a director. Yes, American Graffitti was great but he even said it was luck. He was never that good of a writer in the first place either. Just a great storyteller.

He did THX, American Graffitti, Willow, Young Indiana Jones, and there are some other video games from Lucas Arts and is excutive producing a Red Tails film. Of course you're going to do SW and Indy. He already took his risk with SW 30 years ago. He created them for God sakes. It provides cash because they've always been popular. He is giving us more of what we want, and the Clone Wars show is excellent. He isn't doing it for the money. He is rich because his creations are immensely popular and of course he's going to get money for that. People would ***** if he stopped with SW anyway. It's still thriving and it endures. You don't stop that.

While those are good points I still think Lucas sucks. I'm also against the idea that he's comparable to Spielberg, Scorsese and other great directors. I remember seeing those comparisons in lists and when people name the greats. Just because he made a huge franchise full of rabid, overly obsessed fanboys doesn't mean he should be included in that group of directors. They deserve to be up on high in the film world because they actually made numerous films that were great, not just two or three.

Anyways I can't wait to see a trailer for the new Pirates film. I've got my fingers crossed this one will be on the level of Curse of the Black Pearl.

 

[DarkKnight88]

^Hold you're breath now and you'll probably die soon.

Can't teach an old dog new tricks. I highly highly doubt GL will ever put out a new franchise. Indiana Jones was his other hit. He's too content now. He's never going to move out of his successful circle to draw a square.

Two huge franchises is two more than 95% of people in the movie business.

 

[Erzengel]

Plus the fact that he doesn't even need to do another movie and just live off ILM which did Pirates and the merchandising rights of Star Wars which is one of the best deals ever done in Hollywood.

 

[bullets]

Lucas has never been that great of a director. Yes, American Graffitti was great but he even said it was luck. He was never that good of a writer in the first place either. Just a great storyteller.

He did THX, American Graffitti, Willow, Young Indiana Jones, and there are some other video games from Lucas Arts and is excutive producing a Red Tails film. Of course you're going to do SW and Indy. He already took his risk with SW 30 years ago. He created them for God sakes. It provides cash because they've always been popular. He is giving us more of what we want, and the Clone Wars show is excellent. He isn't doing it for the money. He is rich because his creations are immensely popular and of course he's going to get money for that. People would ***** if he stopped with SW anyway. It's still thriving and it endures. You don't stop that.

I agree with this, GL created a monster. I wouldn't consider him to be the greatest director but he has made enough contribution to film and entertainment to be honored accordingly .

 

[Erzengel]

And the one thing I always respected from Lucas is the fact that like them or not, Star Wars was his vision. No studios sniffing around or trying to add to the movie. They just distributed the movies. I wish more directors had control over the story and not some studio head who thinks putting some flavor of the month or some new trend would make the movie more appealing.

 

[LostSon88]

Its a double edged sword though to have complete creative control...

Case in point--BTTF.

When it was in its early scripting stages, the original ending had Doc and Marty break into a nuclear facility and steal some plutonium. The studio not only found that to be a little far fetched but also too expensive.

So the writers came up with the clock tower ending.

Sometimes getting the opinions of others can be a blessing as well. But frankly, Lucas doesn't seem like that kind of guy. Seems like a "my way or the highway" kind of leader...

 

[Erzengel]

I think he allows people from his circle like Spielberg. \

But for every BTTF, there seems to be 10 or more of stuff like adding a Marlon Wayans as Robin for Batman Forever.

 

[mclay18]

I wish more directors had control over the story and not some studio head who thinks putting some flavor of the month or some new trend would make the movie more appealing.

Like Sam Raimi and Gore Verbinski. Raimi's SM-3 and SM-4 would've been so much better if Sony gave him leeway over the story.

And I wish Gore Verbinski had composer control over the POTC trilogy. Originally, Alan Silvestri was going to do it but Jerry Bruckheimer vetoed him in favor of Hans Zimmer and his RC team. One of Silvestri's orchestrators, Mark McKenzie, said that Silvestri's score would've been great. Zimmer's score worked fine in the first two POTC films, but he outdid himself with the third score which is beautiful.

 

[ALP]

How much creative input did Verbinski have?

The fact that he has nothing to do with part 4 shows that Pirates isn't a mainly director oriented project. I got the feeling that Bruckheimer was pulling the strings and Verbinski was just there to shoot the movie on set.

I could be wrong.

 

[rashad]

The adventure this time around follows Jack Sparrow’s quest for the Fountain of Youth. Here are some plot details learned from the USA Today set visit articles:

• Penelope Cruz plays Angelica, a Jack Sparrow’s “wicked former flame”, the daughter of Blackbeard (Ian McShane) and a “onetime Sparrow paramour.” Described by Co-screenwriter Terry Rossio as “a kindred spirit who is a con artist at heart as well. She’s not only a romantic interest, but an equal and effective adversary.”
• Barbossa (Geoffrey Rush) has been recruited by King George II (Richard Griffiths) to join the mission, “meaning Sparrow’s old nemesis has gone corporate, 1750s-century style.”
• The film begins with Jack Sparrow (Johnny Depp) caught and dragged into the Painted Hall of the Old Royal Naval College to meet King George II who “wants him to seek the Fountain of Youth.” The meeting goes “badly.” Sparrow later joins “his ex and her surly father to try to locate the Fountain of Youth.”
• Producer Jerry Bruckheimer on the film’s mermaids: “These mermaids are ferocious. On the surface they’re beautiful, but once you get them underwater, they turn pretty scary.”
• Co-screenwriter Terry Rossio confirms this journey is a standalone story: “The three previous films are a trilogy, with an intricate, interwoven tapestry of characters. I would call this a stand-alone type of story.”

 

[Majik1387]

Cruz looks amazing

 

[Avengers-Report]

Wow this looks awesome.

 

[liesse00]

Yahoo has some more including Blackbeard

http://movies.yahoo.com/photos/movi...rates-of-the-caribbean-on-stranger-tides#info

 

[Hunter Rider]

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=72269

 

[mclay18]

How much creative input did Verbinski have?

Apparently enough to get a "A Gore Verbinski Film" moniker for all three movies, so I guess he had final cut approval. Composer approval, now that is Bruckheimer's doing.

At least Bruckheimer didn't force Trevor Rabin on the fourth Pirates film -- if Zimmer didn't like the script for the fourth film.