The Dark Knight Plot holes in the bank heist

[infamous]

the proper reply to this thread is simply.....

Why So Serious??

 

[Kieser1]

I gotta say, from the sounds of it you want absolutely everything shown. Which would have made for a much longer and duller movie. Sometimes it's nice to imagine those little moments for oneself.

No, no, no, that is not what I'm trying to say at all. I'm glad they left it out, the whole scene was perfect. Yes, I did want to get more insight on what exactly happened, but that's just that part of me that always likes to know the exact specifics and every little detail .

I mean, if I was to pick between seeing every single detail, or being left to wonder, I choose the later every time. It always makes for a greater deal of suspense as you said above.

No, a plot hole is something that happens in the movie that contradicts what was set up earlier in the film. That is the very definition of a plot hole. Some pretty ridiculous and coincidental things happen in the Joker's favor for the robbery to work, but the movie stays consistent with the level of believability throughout, so we buy it. Tell me, was the assassination attempt on the mayor (especially involving the timing of the window curtain) or the ferry situation any more plausible in real life?

Wait, if thats a "plot hole" then what is your definition of a "continuity error." I've always been under the impression that a coninuity error is well..something that happens in the movie that contradicts what was set up earlier in the film. It perfectly describes the word "continuity error" in which the continuation does not make sense, something happens at one point, and then later on, another event happens that doesn't match what occured earlier.. Where as a "plot hole" acts as if there is a literal hole in the plot that is missing, causing confusion of the specifics of what really happened. Again, I'm no movie gugu, so I'm only going by what I know...

 

[Anita18]

Wait, if thats a "plot hole" then what is your definition of a "continuity error." I've always been under the impression that a coninuity error is well..something that happens in the movie that contradicts what was set up earlier in the film. It perfectly describes the word "continuity error" in which the continuation does not make sense, something happens at one point, and then later on, another event happens that doesn't match what occured earlier.. Where as a "plot hole" acts as if there is a literal hole in the plot that is missing, causing confusion of the specifics of what really happened. Again, I'm no movie gugu, so I'm only going by what I know...

A continuity error is a simple mistake in the physical appearance between several shots. It has nothing to do with plot, so it's considered a very minor mistake. You'll always find SOME kind of continuity error when shots have to be reset and different takes are used between cuts. It's just a fact of life in filmmaking, unless you shoot everything in one take.

"Error" also denotes something very minor, while "hole" means it's something more substantial.

The easiest examples in TDK is the Joker's green hair in the prologue. One shot he's got brown hair, and in an immediate cut, it's tinted green. Also, his hand switches a lot between immediate cuts, which would be physically impossible.

Also, the position of Joker's hands suddenly switches in the interrogation scene when he says, "Oh, there's only minutes left so you'll just have to play my little game if you want to save one of them."

The story isn't contradicted at all by any of the above examples, they're just physical leaps between takes.

 

[blightsbiohazar]

Wow you can't even point anything out on this board without getting shot down can you? No there are a lot of errors in this scene and all your attempts to explain them are merely coincidence like he "could have done this"....

No the Joker is not a supernatural entity. He just puts his life at stake more than you want to think. He doesn't fully intend for things to always go his way. He'll just laugh if he fails.

 

[Anita18]

Wow you can't even point anything out on this board without getting shot down can you? No there are a lot of errors in this scene and all your attempts to explain them are merely coincidence like he "could have done this"....

No the Joker is not a supernatural entity. He just puts his life at stake more than you want to think. He doesn't fully intend for things to always go his way. He'll just laugh if he fails.

Your first mistake was calling them plot holes when they're not. IMO, if you want to make an argument, make sure to use the right definitions.

Is it believable, as in "Hey, someone should try this in real life"? No. Nobody ever said it was. But it's up to your personal taste if that's a detriment to the film. You either buy it or you don't. The movie stays consistent in the level of plausibility, and that's all it can do.

 

[Bats]

Wow you can't even point anything out on this board without getting shot down can you? No there are a lot of errors in this scene and all your attempts to explain them are merely coincidence like he "could have done this"....

Yeah but aren't you basically saying he "couldn't have done that" in a way?

For the story to move along and have its affect on the moviegoing audience, certain things have to be left out. We can't be shown everything or have everything explained to us in depth, or else the movie wouldn't be the same.

Plus when you watch any movie, you're supposed to suspend disbelief, which does include suspending the expectation of having an entire backstory spelled out for us.

Even watching the movie again after reading out all the "errors", I still don't really spot them unless specifically looking for them. The scene plays out just great still IMO.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Wow you can't even point anything out on this board without getting shot down can you? No there are a lot of errors in this scene and all your attempts to explain them are merely coincidence like he "could have done this"....

No the Joker is not a supernatural entity. He just puts his life at stake more than you want to think. He doesn't fully intend for things to always go his way. He'll just laugh if he fails.

I'm sorry man but you obviously don't know the Joker as much as you think you do. He is THE master planner, that's what he does. He has been known to set up plans months in advance. And when pulling a bank job, every single little detail has to be worked out, like the timing of the bus routes for example. You don't just run in a bank all guns blazing with no plan and escape route.

 

[Doctor Jones]

^ Exactly.

"It's all part of the plan."

 

[deathfromabove]

There are a lot of people in this thread who need to educate themselves about the definition of the word "plot hole".

agreed. the only thing in this thread that is even remotley close to a plot hole is what anita mentioned: gordon's death.

and even that isnt a true plot hole.

some of these things mentioned in the op are awfully convienient. continuity issues maybe. but not plot holes.

the hair was clearly cinematic misdirection. as soon as nolan wants the audience to realize who the joker is, his hair is suddenly green. this was purposeful.

 

[Kieser1]

A continuity error is a simple mistake in the physical appearance between several shots. It has nothing to do with plot, so it's considered a very minor mistake. You'll always find SOME kind of continuity error when shots have to be reset and different takes are used between cuts. It's just a fact of life in filmmaking, unless you shoot everything in one take.

"Error" also denotes something very minor, while "hole" means it's something more substantial.

The easiest examples in TDK is the Joker's green hair in the prologue. One shot he's got brown hair, and in an immediate cut, it's tinted green. Also, his hand switches a lot between immediate cuts, which would be physically impossible.

Also, the position of Joker's hands suddenly switches in the interrogation scene when he says, "Oh, there's only minutes left so you'll just have to play my little game if you want to save one of them."

The story isn't contradicted at all by any of the above examples, they're just physical leaps between takes.

Ahh I see, I see. Well thank you for the clarification on that matter.

 

[deathfromabove]

Wow you can't even point anything out on this board without getting shot down can you? No there are a lot of errors in this scene and all your attempts to explain them are merely coincidence like he "could have done this"....

No the Joker is not a supernatural entity. He just puts his life at stake more than you want to think. He doesn't fully intend for things to always go his way. He'll just laugh if he fails.

if you come on the bat boards with criticism of this movie

a. you better be prepared for some debate

b. you best be right

i still dont see any of these as "errors" and the things you mentioned are not plot holes.

there are a few continuity errors in the heist. his gun switches hands impossibly a few times and the bus driver dissapears after the joker reveals himself to the bank manager.

there are similar issues later in the film. during the interrogation scene his arm postitionagains changes position in an impossible way.

but having the joker's plan go off perfectly might mot be believable to you but that doesnt make it a mistake.

besides jonah nolan did describe joker as a seemingly supernatural force

 

[Jodo]

No, there's an unfilmed scene were the Bus Driver turns into a bear and runs off.







I just made that up.

 

[blightsbiohazar]

Ok thanks everyone for taking the time to think about "what if". And don't tell me I don't understand the Joker. I've been obsessed with the character for over a year. Yes he IS the master planner, it's just not as apparent in this scene as some others. Plot holes are basically things that go unexplained or things that just happen in the story without a clear reason. I believe there was a lot of dumb luck involved in Joker's initial bank heist but it all worked out ok. Perhaps there were more holes in the plan than plot holes. EXCUSSSSEEE Me.

 

[CELTICPRED]

No, there's an unfilmed scene were the Bus Driver turns into a bear and runs off.

Very Wicker-Man esque.

 

[Yurka]

My biggest gripe with the bank heist scene is that the bus comes through the side of the building and when it leaves its out of the front, everything else doesn't bother me.

 

[Brem]

Something was mentioned earlier about how the cops were informed. I could be wrong, but you can see as they're running into the bank a few people who appear to turn their heads whilst running away, then continue running.

Plus, to the side there are a couple of people who watch them go in. I'd figure they'd have informed the police.

 

[In a Pickle]

Again, a lot of these are not "plot holes"...just the director deciding not to hold the audiences hand through everything.

 

[In a Pickle]

My biggest gripe with the bank heist scene is that the bus comes through the side of the building and when it leaves its out of the front, everything else doesn't bother me.

How the hell do you know it comes through the side? Do you have a map of Gotham National?

 

[Yurka]

How the hell do you know it comes through the side? Do you have a map of Gotham National?

Have you seen the Dark Knight?

 

[escobar2248]

How the hell do you know it comes through the side? Do you have a map of Gotham National?

Re-watch the movie then come back on here and post your apology.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Ok thanks everyone for taking the time to think about "what if". And don't tell me I don't understand the Joker. I've been obsessed with the character for over a year. Yes he IS the master planner, it's just not as apparent in this scene as some others. Plot holes are basically things that go unexplained or things that just happen in the story without a clear reason. I believe there was a lot of dumb luck involved in Joker's initial bank heist but it all worked out ok. Perhaps there were more holes in the plan than plot holes. EXCUSSSSEEE Me.

 

[blightsbiohazar]

edited out then.

 

[mrbrownie]

ditto

 

[RKO]

Go enjoy your crappy postmodern indiana jones flying saucers.

You can't make a statement like that and not expect to be made fun of around here.

Must of us have been obsessed with this character since we first grabbed a comic book when we were kids. You Come of as a bandwagoner.

Not that it has nothing to do with you not understanding the character. But yea...

 

[blightsbiohazar]

I don't need to prove myself to you. I know I love the film. Edited then.