Plot holes/poor storytelling discussion

[Golgo-13]

Too bad this alleged "continuity screwup" is something made up by bitter fanbois and not an actual continuity error in the movies.

The X1 and XOW dog tags are a different shape.

Stryker has facial hair in the X2 flashback. In XOW he has none.

Wolverine has no memory, yet he somehow gets the same jacket back eventhough he didn't have it in the plane with Gambit, and Gambit and he part ways at the end of the movie.

Wolverines hands are covered in blood in the X2 version of the escape. In XOW he's clean as a whistle.

In the X2 flashback he pushed open the door to escape. In XOW he cuts a cheesy X in the door...

Wolverine gets air sickness. Air sickness is your body confusing the up and down motion of a plane, with the nausa effects of you being poisoned. So it induces vomiting to clear out the toxin. Wolverine is resistant to all toxins, so his body should feel this at all.

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.........continuity issues that even a 4th grader could catch and avoid, yet profesional film makers can't. It's not like the footage from the previous films were under the rights of another studio where they couldn't use it, or replicate it. The errors represent sloppy film making; plain and simple.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

how about this...

something changed in this past, creating an alternate timeline, changing the events of the future...

LOL

 

[Raiden]

how about this...

something changed in this past, creating an alternate timeline, changing the events of the furture...

LOL

Maybe the same black hole that created that alternate reality in Star Trek did it again in Wolverine lol.

 

[X-Maniac]

The X1 and XOW dog tags are a different shape.

Stryker has facial hair in the X2 flashback. In XOW he has none.

Wolverine has no memory, yet he somehow gets the same jacket back eventhough he didn't have it in the plane with Gambit, and Gambit and he part ways at the end of the movie.

Wolverines hands are covered in blood in the X2 version of the escape. In XOW he's clean as a whistle.

In the X2 flashback he pushed open the door to escape. In XOW he cuts a cheesy X in the door...

Wolverine gets air sickness. Air sickness is your body confusing the up and down motion of a plane, with the nausa effects of you being poisoned. So it induces vomiting to clear out the toxin. Wolverine is resistant to all toxins, so his body should feel this at all.

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.........continuity issues that even a 4th grader could catch and avoid, yet profesional film makers can't. It's not like the footage from the previous films were under the rights of another studio where they couldn't use it, or replicate it. The errors represent sloppy film making; plain and simple.

Those are just minor variations that only an embittered obsessive would dwell on. They are mostly the result of new creative choices. Similarly, the X-jet changed design between X1and X2, Kitty Pryde and Pyro were played by different actors, Storm's accent disappeared and so on...and that was with the same director.

Chaseter on here has said that the variations are irrelevant, they should have just made a completely new movie unrelated to everything that had gone before, and unrestrained by previous baggage. He just wanted a fantastic movie.

You, on the other hand, believe the movie's quality rests on these petty grievances.

So, which is it folks? Do continuity variations matter or not? Or are even the haters divided?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I'm not a "continuity stickler" as Deadpool would say.

But the flashback scene in X2 of Logans experiment was soooo faaaaar superior. And they just completely ignored it. Why? Why actually do that? Doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Ziggyman]

I'm not a "continuity stickler" as Deadpool would say.

But the flashback scene in X2 of Logans experiment was soooo faaaaar superior. And they just completely ignored it. Why? Why actually do that? Doesn't make sense to me.

Wrong director and a below average script!

 

[X-Maniac]

I'm not a "continuity stickler" as Deadpool would say.

But the flashback scene in X2 of Logans experiment was soooo faaaaar superior. And they just completely ignored it. Why? Why actually do that? Doesn't make sense to me.

Not sure. But when i saw the movie last night, I did notice there was at least one person in those protective hoods (as seen in the X2 flashback) when Wolverine ran out of the room.

Maybe Hood and co didn't want to just re-use footage or re-create the same thing. Maybe they wanted to show another part of the procedure and leave us to think the hooded technicians had happened slightly before the part we saw? Maybe they thought the idea of scientists and technicians sipping champagne seemed phoney or cheesy?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I'm not talking about the champagne sipping and all that crap.

I'm talking about the striking image of Logan covered in claret running down the tunnel. It was like something out of a horror movie. It should been like that in this film. And he should of killed more than 2 guys whilst escaping, he should of killed AT LEAST 10. Show the animal that he was talking about unleashing when he agreed to the experiment.

 

[katie_girl09]

The X1 and XOW dog tags are a different shape.

Stryker has facial hair in the X2 flashback. In XOW he has none.

Wolverine has no memory, yet he somehow gets the same jacket back eventhough he didn't have it in the plane with Gambit, and Gambit and he part ways at the end of the movie.

Wolverines hands are covered in blood in the X2 version of the escape. In XOW he's clean as a whistle.

In the X2 flashback he pushed open the door to escape. In XOW he cuts a cheesy X in the door...

Wolverine gets air sickness. Air sickness is your body confusing the up and down motion of a plane, with the nausa effects of you being poisoned. So it induces vomiting to clear out the toxin. Wolverine is resistant to all toxins, so his body should feel this at all.

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.........continuity issues that even a 4th grader could catch and avoid, yet profesional film makers can't. It's not like the footage from the previous films were under the rights of another studio where they couldn't use it, or replicate it. The errors represent sloppy film making; plain and simple.

Wow. No offense, but that was nitpicking at its finest.

 

[chaseter]

Not sure. But when i saw the movie last night, I did notice there was at least one person in those protective hoods (as seen in the X2 flashback) when Wolverine ran out of the room.

They change the dog tags and the entire look and location of the lab but they got one person in a protective hood!!!!

Maybe Hood and co didn't want to just re-use footage or re-create the same thing. Maybe they wanted to show another part of the procedure and leave us to think the hooded technicians had happened slightly before the part we saw?

This movie had a lot of lets not show something or say something and leave the audience to wonder.

Maybe they thought the idea of scientists and technicians sipping champagne seemed phoney or cheesy?

Not cheesy like ladder chopping, laser blocking and repelling, and Gambit staff chopper?

 

[danoyse]

I'm not a "continuity stickler" as Deadpool would say.

But the flashback scene in X2 of Logans experiment was soooo faaaaar superior. And they just completely ignored it. Why? Why actually do that? Doesn't make sense to me.

My guess is that it pushed the boundaries of the PG-13 rating. Those shots in X2 were only a few seconds, but if they had extended out something that wound up looking that graphic for a longer scene, they may have run into some rating problems.

I wished they'd matched them up at least a little closer (and how did his hair dry off so fast when he escaped?!), but I noticed when I saw it opening night that half my audience hid their eyes just at the sight of all the needles coming down, so I guess it was graphic enough for a lot of people.

And I had an unpleasant flashback to when I had my wisdom teeth pulled out last summer while I was watching that scene, so it was definitely effective for me.

 

[danoyse]

This movie had a lot of lets not show something or say something and leave the audience to wonder.

At least the rest of us in the audience saw the bridge from 3 Mile Island.

 

[MrWayne]

omg this discussion is hilarious im lovin all the input you guys have on here great great reading and comic relief!! i really do enjoy coming here and having a meeting of the minds of sorts.. like a lil family here.. awwwww... ok now lemme read these replies and start my reply quotes!

 

[chaseter]

At least the rest of us in the audience saw the bridge from 3 Mile Island.

I didn't see it in the work print and then I saw it in the theatre but I had already made my first post in here about the lack of a bridge AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

 

[danoyse]

I didn't see it in the work print and then I saw it in the theatre but I had already made my first post in here about the lack of a bridge AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Well, if you're ever not sure if there was one, we'll always be here to remind you.

 

[MrWayne]

Xavier didn't know about Wolverine, at least not specifically. Cerebro obviously doesn't identify mutants based upon powers, since Xavier couldn't figure out why he was unable to track Nightcrawler in X2. So even if he did track a mutant who was saving the children on 3 Mile Island, there is no way that Xavier would have been able to connect him to Logan 15 years later.

And he only knows everything about Logan's past after he reads his mind [Logan is a mystery to Xavier in X-Men, but even though we don't actually see it, it's established that Xavier read Logan's mind (X2: "I need you to read my mind again") and in X2 Xavier knows about Logan's past. It came from Xavier reading Logan's mind.]

ok so bare with me here wat was cyclops and storm doin when they found Rogue and Wolverine? where they there looking for Rogue? im sorry if this has been established im just tryna put things together lol

 

[MrWayne]

Too bad this alleged "continuity screwup" is something made up by bitter fanbois and not an actual continuity error in the movies.

so wat WOULD you consider a continuity error? and are you absolutely sure that none exist in the x-verse movies?

 

[MrWayne]

i think this movie needs a re-boot NOW lol

 

[MrWayne]

There was nothing in the movie to indicate that Xavier knew Wolverine was on the island. He may have found out he was there, but Wolverine had run off before Xavier could reach him anyway.

I wonder if he couldve telepathically spoken to him like he did Scott. but like you said he probably didnt kno he was there... im just thinkn he mighta known wat was goin on bein that he is Prof X lol

He didn't leave Wolverine to go looking for Xavier, they only found him because they were tracking Sabertooth and he happened to be there when they found him.

im sorry Danoyse.. who are you talking about.. i think i got lost in all the replies... who didnt leave Wolverine to go look for Xavier?

He didn't tell him all the details of his past then because he wanted Logan to stay - they made a deal where if he stayed with them for 3 days he would help him find out about his past. He sent him to find Alkali Lake at the end of the movie.

dang.. Prof X isnt so righteous after all lol but i wonder how he read his mind if he doesnt have memories.. or is it pushed to anouther part of the mind? again if hes that powerful to read supressed memories then... ahem

But then it was revealed in X2 that Xavier was keeping things from Logan. He claimed Wolverine wasn't ready to know everything, but Magneto accused him of not wanting to lose one of his "precious X-Men." He obviously knew more than he was letting on.

tsk tsk tsk.. Wolverine shoulda Snikted him for pullin that lol

 

[Legion]

I'm not a "continuity stickler" as Deadpool would say.

But the flashback scene in X2 of Logans experiment was soooo faaaaar superior. And they just completely ignored it. Why? Why actually do that? Doesn't make sense to me.

That scene was awesome, it would have been great to have seen the Weapon X comic brought to life. However, I don't think Wolverine covered in blood whether it's his own or someone elses really fits the movie. Wolverine pops his claws pleanty of times, killed lots of people, took some pretty serious injuries himself and there was little to no blood.

I think Singer was using the implanted claws origin and was trying to convey to the audience that this was the first time Wolverine popped his claws and it was the most painful. (no jokes please) However, it shouldn't really work like that since Wolverine heals himself instantly, so it should be the same every time. They also chose to use the bone claws origin in this movie, so again, there shouldn't have been anymore blood or pain with the adamantium.

As for the dark murky look, I think that was just an artistic choice. When Wolverine is in the operating room in X2 and it is well lit I don't think the viewers were supposed to think they turned the lights off for the surgery.

But to fit the story, you can say we were seeing the experiment from Wolverine's recollection of a traumatic experience that happened 15 years ago..before he lost his memory. I think that when someone has a traumatic experience it's always going to feel much more painful and scary to that person than someone else. Especially since it has been haunting him for years and his memory has been distorted.

 

[MrWayne]

That scene was awesome, it would have been great to have seen the Weapon X comic brought to life. However, I don't think Wolverine covered in blood whether it's his own or someone elses really fits the movie. Wolverine pops his claws pleanty of times, killed lots of people, took some pretty serious injuries himself and there was little to no blood.

there are artistic ways they couldve shown that scene.. like maybe do cuts of him swinging his claws and maybe just showing shadow silhouettes.. think Dr Oct in SM2 when he awakens in the hospital and his tentacles go ballistic.. so there.. it can be done.. and that scene was waaaay more graphic than the weapon x scene..

I think Singer was using the implanted claws origin and was trying to convey to the audience that this was the first time Wolverine popped his claws and it was the most painful. (no jokes please) However, it shouldn't really work like that since Wolverine heals himself instantly, so it should be the same every time. They also chose to use the bone claws origin in this movie, so again, there shouldn't have been anymore blood or pain with the adamantium.

Wolverine has super healing powers but hes not immune to pain.. popping his claws through his flesh still must have some amount of pain to it.. lol and by instantly doesnt mean as soon as a cut is made a milisecond later it heals theres a few seconds to minutes before the healing factor "kicks in"

As for the dark murky look, I think that was just an artistic choice. When Wolverine is in the operating room in X2 and it is well lit I don't think the viewers were supposed to think they turned the lights off for the surgery.

i think the light was from the operation itself so they can see like they would do in any operating room lol

But to fit the story, you can say we were seeing the experiment from Wolverine's recollection of a traumatic experience that happened 15 years ago..before he lost his memory. I think that when someone has a traumatic experience it's always going to feel much more painful and scary to that person than someone else. Especially since it has been haunting him for years and his memory has been distorted.

i think the point here is that the fact that it was a traumatic experience didnt really translate well with how it was presented in the movie...

 

[ChaoticPsylocke]

i completely agree with you. i think that is the best explanation for th differences.

 

[danoyse]

ok so bare with me here wat was cyclops and storm doin when they found Rogue and Wolverine? where they there looking for Rogue? im sorry if this has been established im just tryna put things together lol

They had been tracking Sabertooth. Xavier was trying to follow what Magneto was up to, but he couldn't track Magneto himself because he couldn't find Magneto using Cerebro. He knew Sabertooth worked for Magneto, so he tracked him instead and sent Cyclops and Storm to follow Sabertooth.

Sabertooth had been tracking Rogue because Magneto wanted her to power his mutant-transforming machine. Rogue just happened to meet Wolverine along the way, and when Sabertooth ran them off the road and attacked them, Cyclops and Storm intervened and saved them.

Wolverine just wandered into the whole thing by chance. None of them were actively looking for him at the time.

 

[MrWayne]

They had been tracking Sabertooth. Xavier was trying to follow what Magneto was up to, but he couldn't track Magneto himself because he couldn't find Magneto using Cerebro. He knew Sabertooth worked for Magneto, so he tracked him instead and sent Cyclops and Storm to follow Sabertooth.

Sabertooth had been tracking Rogue because Magneto wanted her to power his mutant-transforming machine. Rogue just happened to meet Wolverine along the way, and when Sabertooth ran them off the road and attacked them, Cyclops and Storm intervened and saved them.

Wolverine just wandered into the whole thing by chance. None of them were actively looking for him at the time.

ahhhh ok riiite riiiite.. yea im sorry thats why im asking although i have seen all 3 movies i havent memorized all the scenes and ive forgotten a few things concerning story.. i really should buy the trilogy before making any more comments lmao Thanks Danoyse!

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

The X1 and XOW dog tags are a different shape.

The effects of Cerebro in X-Men and X2 are also drastically different as well.

Stryker has facial hair in the X2 flashback. In XOW he has none.

Pyro is blonde in X-Men, brunette in X2.

Wolverine has no memory, yet he somehow gets the same jacket back eventhough he didn't have it in the plane with Gambit, and Gambit and he part ways at the end of the movie.

And that jacket is even different from X-Men to X-Men: The Last Stand.

Wolverines hands are covered in blood in the X2 version of the escape. In XOW he's clean as a whistle.

Okay. What's the point? It's very minor

In the X2 flashback he pushed open the door to escape. In XOW he cuts a cheesy X in the door...

Agreed. Again, who cares? It's minor.

Wolverine gets air sickness. Air sickness is your body confusing the up and down motion of a plane, with the nausa effects of you being poisoned. So it induces vomiting to clear out the toxin. Wolverine is resistant to all toxins, so his body should feel this at all.

The movies never indicate that he is resistant to all toxins, rather that he has an incredible healing factor. He also gets airsick / uncomfortable with flying in the previous movies also, so this is nothing new.

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.........continuity issues that even a 4th grader could catch and avoid, yet profesional film makers can't. It's not like the footage from the previous films were under the rights of another studio where they couldn't use it, or replicate it. The errors represent sloppy film making; plain and simple.

No, not "continuity issues", just nitpicks and *****es because bitter fanbois have to pick apart anything and everything they can to complain.

What was shown in X-Men Origins: Wolverine does not contradict the -story- established by the prior movies, X-Men and X2. Some of the details are changed (Wolverine's escape, although there is still violence, even if not as much as there should be - the experiment, Stryker being involved, Logan volunteering, etc...)

Lack of blood, or going through a different door, does not establish a continuity issue. It is nothing more than a bitter nit pick because you need something to complain about.