Plot holes/poor storytelling discussion

[Kanon]

We don't need to see every single step of what Logan did. But it would've been nice if he picked her up, maybe brought her to her family, back to the their cabin, just getting her corpse somewhere and not leave her lying around for the wolves to feast on. She was the woman he loved, you'd think he wouldn't just leave her rotting in the woods.

Maybe, but that falls in the "would have been nice to show" and not the "Needed/Should have been shown"

It would have been nice a little more grieving, but also, at the time, the movie was crying for a good action scene. It had been a long while (in the run time), and the best and only action we got was the Team-X scenes (that many loved, but I felt it was really short, and not all that great action wise). IMO the movie needed the Sabretooth fight really bad.

 

[Nathan]

I just think its poor story telling. Taking the easy way out. Simplifying the scenes to the core and leaving everything else to the imagination.

His girlfriend was killed. Didn't he want her to have a dignified funeral? Imagine how it would've been like to watch him actually bury her. Then when we see her with Stryker, we get a small flashback with soldiers getting her back out before she actually suffocated to death.

 

[LexCorp]

I do not need to be shown the extra stuff.

But if he can hear Stryker talking, while Stryker is whispering behind an enclosed glass control centre, while he himself is in another room while underwater I think he could hear a faint heartbeat when he is right on the chest.

Just saying....

 

[the a1ant]

I wasn't that annoyed by Kayla's actual death scene. The part that was done poorly (imo) is when they had Kayla explain how she "died" to Logan. There could have been more details there besides "Creed gave me a shot and sprayed blood on me." She could have explained what happened after Logan found her "dead". Just an extra sentence or two. "After you found me and called the cops, Stryker took me back to the island" or something...

 

[katie_girl09]

That did kinda bug me, I must confess. What happened after he found her dead? Did they use a fake body or what?

 

[BestGirl]

That did kinda bug me, I must confess. What happened after he found her dead? Did they use a fake body or what?

It was a plot by the army so I'm sure faking a funeral wouldnt've had been difficult. She probably asked for a closed-casket funeral in her will and they just weighted the coffin down to make it feel like it was filled with something.

 

[Legion]

Calling the police, an ambulance, making funeral arrangements, these are things that rational people do. And even rational people need help making decisons with how to handle the deceased. They are overcome with grief and denial. Wolverine is not rational! He is blinded by rage and goes after the man he knows is responsible.

In the comics he didn't call the police...he carries the body to the bar where he fights Creed and finds that the people there are racsist. No one cares Silver Fox is dead and no one wants to help. The woman tells Logan he's making a mistake and an Indian girl isn't worth losing his life over.

That is what I would have loved to see in this movie and what I thought was really missing.

 

[Kanon]

Calling the police, an ambulance, making funeral arrangements, these are things that rational people do. And even rational people need help making decisons with how to handle the deceased. They are overcome with grief and denial. Wolverine is not rational! He is blinded by rage and goes after the man he knows is responsible.

In the comics he didn't call the police...he carries the body to the bar where he fights Creed and finds that the people there are racsist. No one cares Silver Fox is dead and no one wants to help. The woman tells Logan he's making a mistake and an Indian girl isn't worth losing his life over.

That is what I would have loved to see in this movie and what I thought was really missing.

That would have been awesome. Maybe the racist thing is not all that important, but Logan crying in anger with the dead Silverfox in his arms, at the door of the bar would have kicked all sorts of ass

 

[chaseter]

Again with dead Silverfox... animals often wrongly think other living animals are dead, or viceversa... Why can't Logan make that mistake, if the reason against it is that he has animal keen senses?

And what he did with her body, a lot of stuff could have happened off screen, that doesn't change the movie... maybe he called the police, and went immediately after Creed, then Stryker pulled some strings and retrieved her body, or he just left her there, blinded by revenge, I don't know... But we don't need to know every little detail of what happens...

About the magic bullet: I agree that Stryker trying to kill him, and not predicting the memory loss is better, but judging from what we have heard and seen, expecting the audience to figure out what happened to his memory on their own, is giving them too much credit...

Logan was not an animal in this movie. It was mid day when he discovered her body and he went after Creed at night. What did he do for those few hours in between? If he was an animal, why didn't he bound out after Creed right then and there?

 

[danoyse]

Logan was not an animal in this movie. It was mid day when he discovered her body and he went after Creed at night. What did he do for those few hours in between? If he was an animal, why didn't he bound out after Creed right then and there?

Um, look for Creed? We don't know how far away that bar was from where Kayla was supposedly killed - maybe it did take hours to find it. Maybe it was late fall/early winter, when it gets dark out by 5. Who knows? That's barely a plothole.

 

[Kanon]

Logan was not an animal in this movie. It was mid day when he discovered her body and he went after Creed at night. What did he do for those few hours in between? If he was an animal, why didn't he bound out after Creed right then and there?

My point was that he has animal keen senses, and if an animal can be fooled, so can he (when it comes down to senses, wich is the argument against Logan not detecting she was alive).

I'm not saying that Logan had animal like conduct.

 

[chaseter]

Making scenarios up to explain something indicates a plot hole because we are all forced to guess. If it was fall or winter in Canada, there would be snow.

 

[chaseter]

My point was that he has animal keen senses, and if an animal can be fooled, so can he (when it comes down to senses, wich is the argument against Logan not detecting she was alive).

I'm not saying that Logan had animal like conduct.

I agree that he could have been fooled. It could have been Kayla's blood in the pouch. I thought you were calling his actions animalistic when an animal would have bounded off right then and there to avenge her death. For all we know he cried there for 5 hours or took her body to the hospital or back to their house.

 

[Golgo-13]

I felt nothing when Kayla was killed, cause Lynn played her horribly. When she showed up at the end, it just made me care about her and the whole scenerio even less.

As far as the end scene where he's kneeling over her body after she really dies; Again, i think the writers dropped the ball with that one. It would have made for a more powerful scene if Logan simply glanced at her, shook his head and kept on moving as opposed to him kneeling over her. Remember he doesn't know who the hell she is, and Jackmans facial expression didn't indicate that he didn't know her at all. In fact, it indicated that he did remember her. It might have been better if he had asked Gambit who she was. Remember Gambit didn't know she was connected to him at all, so Gambit answering that he doesn't know her, then Logan simply fleeing without giving Kayla a second glance would have made his and her stories ending that more emotional and tragic due to the fact that she died, and the man she loved doesn't know who she is, or why she died.......

 

[Golgo-13]

I felt nothing when Kayla was killed, cause Lynn played her horribly. When she showed up at the end, it just made me care about her and the whole scenerio even less.

As far as the end scene where he's kneeling over her body after she really dies; Again, i think the writers dropped the ball with that one. It would have made for a more powerful scene if Logan simply glanced at her, shook his head and kept on moving as opposed to him kneeling over her. Remember he doesn't know who the hell she is, and Jackmans facial expression didn't indicate that he didn't know her at all. In fact, it indicated that he did remember her. It might have been better if he had asked Gambit who she was. Remember Gambit didn't know she was connected to him at all, so Gambit answering that he doesn't know her, then Logan simply fleeing without giving Kayla a second glance would have made his and her stories ending that more emotional and tragic due to the fact that she died, and the man she loved doesn't know who she is, or why she died.......

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I don't think his facial expressions indicates he knows her.

I think it's just him thinking "Look at this innocent blood spilt" or something.

 

[chaseter]

Well she could have been a bad guy for all he knows. I would of thought, damn...hottie got shot

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Well yea same here

 

[chaseter]

HAHA Wolverine is a sex fiend.

 

[Golgo-13]

I just felt he put too much emotion into someone he doesn't remember. A simple head shake as if to say "poor chicks dead...but i got my own problems" kinda look would have sufficed before he took off running.

 

[chaseter]

I agree with you Golgo. Her death had no impact and I felt more bad for Wolverine than I did for her.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I think that was the aim. The guy is basically invincible, but he can still hurt, both physically and mentally.

 

[chaseter]

But he didn't remember so he can't hurt mentally over her death???

 

[Ace of Knaves]

It still seemed to effect him, he seemed upset/angry to me.

But I was talking about in general anyway. That's the appeal of the character I think. A guy who can't die but lives a life of torture. That's why I hated Eberts review, he just doesn't get the character. Just because he is indestructible doesn't mean he can't feel pain.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

It still seemed to effect him, he seemed upset/angry to me.

But I was talking about in general anyway. That's the appeal of the character I think. A guy who can't die but lives a life of torture. That's why I hated Eberts review, he just doesn't get the character. Just because he is indestructible doesn't mean he can't feel pain.

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