Plot holes/poor storytelling discussion

[Ace of Knaves]

That video camera scene in which that guy was tied up in the chair with Joker taunting him was pretty sadistic. You could also tell that the scenes where Joker cuts Gamble's face and when Batman shoots out the cuff razors were edited so that we don't see anything. Harvey's scars were also pretty brutal. All of that coupled with the abundance of gun violence made them push the limits of PG-13 because it was so realistic, dark, and gritty. You can be brutal without showing people's head being cut off or being dismembered.

That is what I would have liked this movie to do...push the limits on PG-13 without going R. I understand why we will never get an R Wolverine movie but you could at least push the limits like TDK did. This movie just felt neutered and I would say easily was the least brutal of the series. Which, is sort of backwards because Wolverine's past is extremely brutal.

I don't think so. Not at all.

People were getting shot and stabbed up left right and centre. There was an attempted rape in the opening 5 minutes. A load of innocent villagers got murdered. People getting turned into lab rats. Decapitations.

 

[returntovoid]

I thought that some scenes in Daredevil pushed the PG-13 rating a bit.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Definitely. I watched Daredevil DC a couple nights ago. It's pretty ****ing brutal to be fair. I think it was much more intense and violent than TDK.

 

[returntovoid]

I don't think so. Not at all.

I think what chaseter means is that there were not many brutal moments like Wolverine stabbing through Stryker's soldiers and his fight with Deathstrike in X2.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Well yea my biggest complaint of the film was the escape scene. He should of killed at least 10 guys there, not 2.

The most disturbing thing in the whole X franchise for me was when Deathstryke had her finger in Wolverines bicep. That makes me wince every time.

 

[danoyse]

Spider-Man bad!??? Spider-Man is about the campiest and playful superhero movie out there, aside from FF.

He wasn't calling Spiderman bad - he was just making a distinction between cartoony violence and TDK violence.

 

[chaseter]

He wasn't calling Spiderman bad - he was just making a distinction between cartoony violence and TDK violence.

I know. I was shocked that they referred to Spider-Man bad as sort of violent when it is one of the most kid friendly superhero franchises.

 

[chaseter]

I don't think so. Not at all.

People were getting shot and stabbed up left right and centre. There was an attempted rape in the opening 5 minutes. A load of innocent villagers got murdered. People getting turned into lab rats. Decapitations.

Yes, but it was all watered down. The first fight got me excited because it was pretty gruesome but it just went down hill. I don't think they had any trouble achieving that rating.

 

[roach]

That video camera scene in which that guy was tied up in the chair with Joker taunting him was pretty sadistic. You could also tell that the scenes where Joker cuts Gamble's face and when Batman shoots out the cuff razors were edited so that we don't see anything. Harvey's scars were also pretty brutal. All of that coupled with the abundance of gun violence made them push the limits of PG-13 because it was so realistic, dark, and gritty. You can be brutal without showing people's head being cut off or being dismembered.

to me none of that was brutal. The torture scene in Casino Royale was worst than the Joker scene.Alot of what you list as brutal wasnt shown. Because they edited a scene doesnt make it brutal.
That is what I would have liked this movie to do...push the limits on PG-13 without going R. I understand why we will never get an R Wolverine movie but you could at least push the limits like TDK did. This movie just felt neutered and I would say easily was the least brutal of the series. Which, is sort of backwards because Wolverine's past is extremely brutal.

The Wolverine video game was more brutal than the movie

 

[chaseter]

Oh yeah...it was way way way way way way way way more brutal. The opening scene in the video game topped the movie.

 

[RaZaTrOn]

Well yea my biggest complaint of the film was the escape scene. He should of killed at least 10 guys there, not 2.

The most disturbing thing in the whole X franchise for me was when Deathstryke had her finger in Wolverines bicep. That makes me wince every time.

Completely agree in the Weapon X novel he actually kills everyone in the facility. I would have loved that.

 

[X-Maniac]

It wasn't 'made' or 'invented' - it was extracted froma meteorite found in Africa. The whole purpose of Team X's mission was to find the meteorite.

Metals like iron, copper and aluminium come from rock, which is processed to extract the pure metal.

Stryker was able to extract the otherworldly metal from the meteor rock and add it to something else (like steel?) to create an alloy called adamantium.

He probably gave it the name because of the existing words adamant and adamantine. Over the years, rumours of the metal would have spread so Jean and Magneto would have been aware of it.

Magneto says in X2 that Stryker is the only other person he knows who is able to manipulate adamantium

Except, that the meteor fragment wasn't adamantium; it was one of the ingredients used in creating adamantium. Remember in X1, Jean specifically referred to it as an alloy:
a substance composed of two or more metals, or of a metal or metals with a nonmetal, intimately mixed, as by fusion or electrodeposition.
And as someone pointed out, adamantium in its solid form is indestructible. Hence, it cannot be melted. I think that, as contradictory as it may sound to everything comic fans hold dear, the meteor fragment was actually vibranium.

Chris Wallace, I'm going to have to call into question your reading skills. In my earlier post (quoted at the top), i clearly mention that some kind of otherworldly metal was extracted fom the meteorite and used to make an alloy called adamantium.

Then you respond to my post and tell me that it's an alloy. WTF? WTF? Are you blind? Did you read anything I said before replying to it?

 

[danoyse]

I know. I was shocked that they referred to Spider-Man bad as sort of violent when it is one of the most kid friendly superhero franchises.

It was basically a 'on a scale of Spiderman to Dark Knight, how violent was it'? He didn't think Spiderman was violent, he was just putting in his kids' perspective, because some superhero movies are more intense than others. They're allowed to see Spidey, but not allowed to see TDK.

It was literally a 90-second conversation while we were shooting hoops in the driveway, it wasn't exactly deep conversation.

 

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

Definitely. I watched Daredevil DC a couple nights ago. It's pretty ****ing brutal to be fair. I think it was much more intense and violent than TDK.

well Daredevil DC was rated R...

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I thought that some scenes in Daredevil pushed the PG-13 rating a bit.

This pushed the PG-13 rating as well.

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[returntovoid]

This pushed the PG-13 rating as well.

That scene felt like a completely different movie.

 

[returntovoid]

well Daredevil DC was rated R...

Also, the theatrical cut pushed the PG-13 rating by an inch, in the sense that blood was dripping, Bullseye threw sharp items at peoples neck.

 

[chaseter]

It was basically a 'on a scale of Spiderman to Dark Knight, how violent was it'? He didn't think Spiderman was violent, he was just putting in his kids' perspective, because some superhero movies are more intense than others. They're allowed to see Spidey, but not allowed to see TDK.

It was literally a 90-second conversation while we were shooting hoops in the driveway, it wasn't exactly deep conversation.

Danoyse plays b-ball Obama good or Kobe good?t:

 

[MrWayne]

well for me IMO i see it like this.. if i had to weight it out..

- the Adamantium bonding scene was just a scene of needles going in Wolverine, and although yes "somewhat" graphic was just a simple scene followed by him jumping out of a tank him takin a bullet and escaping killing 2 guards on the way out and very cheaply i might add.. yes, violent.. but it happened so fast it like meh.. and we ALL know that whole segment together shouldn't have and didn't even really go down like that..

- in SM2 the Doc Oct hospital scene was much more intense, violent, graphic and suspenseful (IMO at least), and although you never really see any blood you feel the horror going on. he kills way more ppl lol

point is i think we mighta gotta better scene out of the bonding process if they had done it similiar to SM2 because it was almost along the same lines in terms of the situation.. no?

 

[danoyse]

Danoyse plays b-ball Obama good or Kobe good?t:

Kobe good, definitely.

I actually didn't do badly, considering I was playing in flip-flops.

 

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

well for me IMO i see it like this.. if i had to weight it out..

- the Adamantium bonding scene was just a scene of needles going in Wolverine, and although yes "somewhat" graphic was just a simple scene followed by him jumping out of a tank him takin a bullet and escaping killing 2 guards on the way out and very cheaply i might add.. yes, violent.. but it happened so fast it like meh.. and we ALL know that whole segment together shouldn't have and didn't even really go down like that..

- in SM2 the Doc Oct hospital scene was much more intense, violent, graphic and suspenseful (IMO at least), and although you never really see any blood you feel the horror going on. he kills way more ppl lol

point is i think we mighta gotta better scene out of the bonding process if they had done it similiar to SM2 because it was almost along the same lines in terms of the situation.. no?

For Spider-man was easier to not show violence becuase of the huge tenticles.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea those tenticles are just a tiny bit different that three **** off blades sticking out of each of your fists.

 

[Ipodman]

Theres gotta be a deleted scene where Wade is discussing with Stryker on how the "Weapon XI" procedure is to be done. Then they start disagreeing and Wade does some wise talking and Stryker seals / sews his mouth up!

 

[MrWayne]

Yea those tenticles are just a tiny bit different that three **** off blades sticking out of each of your fists.

lol well i just think they couldve shown silhouettes of ppl getting stabbed or sliced.. maybe cut scenes of wolverine about to attack a guard and then anouther just showing the soldiers facial reactions, you know things like that an additional 30 seconds of footage showing that woulda made some difference imo lol

 

[S. Grundy]

For Spider-man was easier to not show violence becuase of the huge tenticles.

You can get away with stabbing and cutting in movies, as long as there isn't really any blood.