Post-US World Blueprint

[Paradyme]

Question is, where on that list are we?

I'd say in between apathy to dependency and dependency to bondage.

 

[The Senator]

Well we had the exact same thing the last 8 years with the dems talking about how Bush was going to send us straight to hell

Except that no one on the left came up with an elaborate plan or theory as to how the United States would fall collapse under Bush, and most of the statements you're referring to were generalized. It's one thing if someone says Obama will send the United States to hell, because most of those people are complete morons anyway who have no idea what they are talking about. It is a completely different ballpark to toss around conspiracy theories about which countries are going to absorb which regions of the United States once Obama's stimulus bill fails.

It sort of makes me giggle, actually... because the people who eat this garbage up as if it is set in stone are fairly right-wing... I guess liberals can start claiming to be more patriotic, because we aren't sitting around discussing how the country is going to implode in two years... but then again, because a good majority of us think the stimulus will work, that must make us unpatriotic in the eyes of the good old right wing.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Disclaimer: if you think Obama has everything under control, and you also do not want to hear about any bad news (I catch flack for this), please leave this thread NOW. Go listen to some music or play some video games or read another thread. This thread is probably not for you.

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The focus of this discussion of a potential scenario that has been discussed by some world leaders... It's pretty new and I really doubt the mainstream will run this story or discuss it even.[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

This is a long article, but I think it is worth your time to give it run through. It involves the Davos forum that Obama skipped recently. Suffice to say it has interesting implications. Particularly what China and Russia had to say about t-bills.

I personally haven't digested the material completely but I thought some of you guys should give it a go. Click here to read it. If any of you guys been reading up more frequently at GOLD/SILVER (hard assets) related sites, you might have come across this article.

Anyways it looks like sometime around 2010 will be the magic date.

[BLACKOUT]So what do you guys think? Putin is one ambitious bastard. Or the concerns one might get out of this article are not warranted?[/BLACKOUT]

So Paradoxium doesn't get punished for throwing a veiled insult at me, but god forbid I say anything about what he's done.

Oh well.

 

[SuBe]

Ego? He didn't say anything against you.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Ego? He didn't say anything against you.

A while back I would mention how he was using fear tactics on the board and how people use THIS forum as an escape, not to be placed in fear. So I would mention how I feel rather than being in fear people should listen to music, read literature, and watch a film rather than be afraid.

He just insulted me without using my username obviously. He and a lot of posters have made mention of me "hating bad news and should leave the thread".

I'm just curious as to how he can say what he wants and if I say anything I get an infraction. Just seems kind of weird to me. That's all.

 

[SuBe]

A while back I would mention how he was using fear tactics on the board and how people use THIS forum as an escape, not to be placed in fear. So I would mention how I feel rather than being in fear people should listen to music, read literature, and watch a film rather than be afraid.

He just insulted me without using my username obviously. He and a lot of posters have made mention of me "hating bad news and should leave the thread".

I'm just curious as to how he can say what he wants and if I say anything I get an infraction. Just seems kind of weird to me. That's all.

I'm sure he wasn't talking about your Specifically, only people like you that don't want to have a serious debate on the impacts of Policy. If YOU don't want to be bombarded with information or debate that could by some be interpreted as "Fear Mongering", then don't come to a Forum about Politics. Let us have our discussions without you coming in here and assumeing he was talking about you, and deter the train of thought this thread was taking. He didn't mention you, therefore didn't have intent of insulting you. If you are too touchy to come into a Political Forum, and assume someone is speaking to you, without mentioning your name, when there could be dozens of posters that would gladly walk into this thread and do the same thing by not taking the subject matter seriously, then don't come in here.

He just wants to keep the course of discussion strict, without detour, and YOU come in here, and choose to do that.

If Politics disturb you, then leave, go to the Bat forums for your Escapism, leave this Forum alone.

 

[Excel]

I know there are some wierd people on here who have some radical views of the world...but anybody who honestly believes is out of their mind. Jman is totally right; that is literally laughable. Its beyond-WAY beyond-worst case scenario.

"2010 is the date"...I thought the world ends in 2012

some of you guys think you are way too intelligent.

 

[Paradoxium]

I added the disclaimer because the topic is extremely polemic and controversial to begin with. I don't want it getting derailed as fear mongering, crazy tin foil chit-chat and completely ignore the contents. I have made an effort to draw skepticism to the subject, such as pointing out the flaws. And yes LastSunrise1981 has called me a fear monger, and yes he has said to do something else besides to discuss politics and news (aka mostly bad news)... this is where he draws inference from and thus the "insult".

My point is, I don't want the topic to devolve into that because this topic has a higher chance for that (see some of the "criticisms" towards it as an example if you don't believe me). There are some things worth examining especially with the upcoming treasury auctions - if they make good (China etc..) on their word about not purchasing tbills anymore. The things cited in the article as bias as it can be sometimes, are still from actual world leaders and not crazies. Many of the ideas are not just normative ones but well within reality.

The decoupling theory is for an example something that is discussed well before this article and during the Bush administration. Particularly during the dollar index lows. This has very little to do with Obama, but just the culture monetary policy and governance. Obama at most vitiates things, but even if McCain won, I would have still posted this.

But by all means if the staff think I should get infraction and do it, I am not going to whine about. I will simply leave the forum. I won't complicate things for them. I kept my promise and left the Economy thread alone, it's simple enough.

 

[Excel]

No infraction is needed, this is just pointless.

 

[Paradoxium]

I know there are some wierd people on here who have some radical views of the world...but anybody who honestly believes is out of their mind. Jman is totally right; that is literally laughable. Its beyond-WAY beyond-worst case scenario.

"2010 is the date"...I thought the world ends in 2012

some of you guys think you are way too intelligent.

I am referring to this snippet:

The Chinese and Russians are burying the US alive. The Japanese, Germans, and Gulf States keep a very low profile for the moment. The decisions have been made: wait for 2010. They will use the unfolding chaos to introduce the new currency basket and trade rules… There is a brand new system being designed that will borrow from the past and apply 21st century tools for barter / counter trade / excess capacity etc. An Exchange Platform will cut out the banks altogether… [Chinese Premier] Wen delivered his speech in Davos and went straight to Berlin where they put the final touch on the new world currency basket, sponsored by Berlin-Moscow-Beijing-Tokyo-Riyadh. Moscow and Berlin already have a massive counter trade / barter trade agreement in place, and Beijing was eager to joint that platform as well.” The new global currencies are planned for launch in January 2010. They will be launched amidst growing chaos. Events up to that time will be tumultuous.

This is Wen Jiabao: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Jiabao
This is Putin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin

They were the ones who were talking about these things, not exactly crazy tin foil hat types are they now?

 

[Superman]

A while back I would mention how he was using fear tactics on the board and how people use THIS forum as an escape, not to be placed in fear. So I would mention how I feel rather than being in fear people should listen to music, read literature, and watch a film rather than be afraid.

He just insulted me without using my username obviously. He and a lot of posters have made mention of me "hating bad news and should leave the thread".

I'm just curious as to how he can say what he wants and if I say anything I get an infraction. Just seems kind of weird to me. That's all.

I really don't think Para was aiming that statement at you. I think you are looking WAY to deep into what he said.

 

[SuBe]

Sorry, But Para, you are an Asset to this Forum because you bring Intricate Knowlege of the inner workings of Economies from all over the world. You leaving would be a Disservice to this Forum.

 

[danoyse]

No, I don't believe it was directed at LastSunrise, or anyone specifically for that matter.

However, that doesn't give anyone here the right to tell other posters what forums to visit or activities to do while this discussion continues. Let's be respectful to everyone who visits this thread, please.

 

[Superman]

If anyone on the Left came up with anything as stupid as this then they are just as crazy as the Right Wringers who came up with this crap.

This is on par with the Time Traveler crap that came out a few years ago that was allover the net.

 

[SuBe]

Para: I'm not sure if you read this yet, but check it out. It's a little old, but informative:

http://www.heritage.org/research/SocialSecurity/wm1429.cfm

 

[Paradoxium]

If anyone on the Left came up with anything as stupid as this then they are just as crazy as the Right Wringers who came up with this crap.

This is on par with the Time Traveler crap that came out a few years ago that was allover the net.

A number of the things in that article are from Wen and Putin aka the Premier of China and "Prime Minister" of Russia, I admit the writer who strings some of these quotes and paraphrases is bias. I won't defend that. But the point of introducing a new basket of reserve currencies is very realistic. We are not talking about America breaking up and the world fighting over it. Past 2010 America will still exist, the point being there might be a re-consolidation of global economic powers.

 

[Paradoxium]

Para: I'm not sure if you read this yet, but check it out. It's a little old, but informative:

http://www.heritage.org/research/SocialSecurity/wm1429.cfm

I have posted about the social securities issue a while back. What it means in reality is basically a lot of people won't be retiring that early, it is really a government backed ponzi scheme honestly. It will be a problem if they decide to seize people's 401k to makeup some of the shortfall and force those people into social security (along with some government bonds), and yes that idea was entertained back in the fall.

What can I say? 2011-2012 will be the perfect storm.

 

[SuBe]

The Problem I see is the UnFunded Liability the Government has by not fixing their means of Collection. If the trend continues, and Politicians keep ignoring it, our nation will officially Collapse fiscally in all of our lifetimes. Politicians don't want to deal with it, because Discussion Social Security is utterly boring and the Young don't care because retirement is a lifetime away, so we are stuck with it.

We'll end up a Broken and Broke Nation recovering from Zero Manufacturing and Zero Ambition. As long as we have our FootBall, Movies and Popcorn, who cares?

 

[Paradoxium]

This has been hitting the waves, a "Chicago Tea Party" in parallel to the "Boston Tea Party". It's been posted a ton of blogs. Even CNBC is running it.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/29283701

 

[SuBe]

I heard about that. Would you call that John Galting.

 

[Kelly]

It's ridiculous if you think about it, a ex-KGB commie who is preaching free market enterprise. I don't know whether he will actually back up what he has to say.

Here was another quote from him at Davos.
Like I said, I don't know how much weight to put on his words, this is where my skepticism lies. Perhaps he wants some kind of power grab or something.

Who knows, considering he has people rioting in the streets of Moscow yelling for Communism.....

 

[Kelly]

So Paradoxium doesn't get punished for throwing a veiled insult at me, but god forbid I say anything about what he's done.

Oh well.

A while back I would mention how he was using fear tactics on the board and how people use THIS forum as an escape, not to be placed in fear. So I would mention how I feel rather than being in fear people should listen to music, read literature, and watch a film rather than be afraid.

He just insulted me without using my username obviously. He and a lot of posters have made mention of me "hating bad news and should leave the thread".

I'm just curious as to how he can say what he wants and if I say anything I get an infraction. Just seems kind of weird to me. That's all.

If you truly felt that this was a post aimed at you personally, the better route to take was to PM one of the mods, let us take a look at it and go from there....please do that next time.

 

[Paradoxium]

I heard about that. Would you call that John Galting.

Yea, it's very Randian I admit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Galt

http://www.reteaparty.com unofficial site apparently

BTW SuBe, the markets are down on certain rumors, not because of the stimulus

 

[Kelly]

That was an interesting read, if I didn't already know that Putin is an egotistical ass, who still HATES the United States no matter how many hand shakes and smiles he had for Bush.....I might actually feel alittle rise of the hair on my neck with what I read.

If Russia wasn't having people rioting in the streets at the moment, over their own economy....I might listen more to what he has to say....

CHINA, IS THE COUNTRY I'M WATCHING.....Only because they are more of a Market Economy than we are...that kinda pisses me off, more than it scares me.

 

[Paradoxium]

That was an interesting read, if I didn't already know that Putin is an egotistical ass, who still HATES the United States no matter how many hand shakes and smiles he had for Bush.....I might actually feel alittle rise of the hair on my neck with what I read.

If Russia wasn't having people rioting in the streets at the moment, over their own economy....I might listen more to what he has to say....

CHINA, IS THE COUNTRY I'M WATCHING.....Only because they are more of a Market Economy than we are...that kinda pisses me off, more than it scares me.

There is a run on the currency in Russia and the Micex collapsed on the 17th by nearly 10%.

In the case of China they have the technical capability to decouple from the US (slowly and gradually), but their government appears to be doing all the wrong things, thus vitiating their chances.