Predator = Beowulf

Kevin Roegele

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From Wikipedia:

"In both stories a group of elite foreign warriors arrive in an area suffering the depradations of a mysterious, almost-invisible monster that has defeated other warriors on their own ground — in "Beowulf" a great hall; in "Predator" the crashed (or downed?) helicopter.

The newly arrived warriors sleep in or near this place, and the monster comes in the night to attack them. They fight, but the warriors' weapons and tactics are ineffective against the monster, who is protected by near-invisibility, and magic that deflects weaponry. Picking off the warriors one by one, the monster takes, or returns and steals, the corpses of its victims, to keep as trophies.

At one crucial point the monster flees the warriors after being wounded in the arm. A sign that the monster has been wounded, an indication of its mortality, is seen in the finding of its blood, a substance of unnatural colour. (In "Beowulf", two related monsters are dealt with in succession, but in "Predator" they are conflated into one.)

In both stories, the hero discards some of the potent weapons with which he has been equipped (a firearm in "Predator"; the legendary sword Hrunting in "Beowulf") when he realises they are useless against the monster, and in the end he is protected by his own special armour (simple mud, in the "Predator" version).

Ultimately, he uses ingenuity and cunning to protect himself and outwit the monster. He turns its own weapons against it and fells it by his own singular might, removing its head (or, in "Predator", prising off its helmet) in final victory.

Both stories contain the element of gradually coming to know the nature of the mysterious monster(s), and learning how to counter it.

This is made more apparent by Jim and John Thomas' admission that their parents read Beowulf as a bed time story when they were kids."
 
In Predator 2, if you look on the screens that monitor those special ops soldiers or whatever they are that are trying to capture the Predator, their displays say "Beowulf".
 
The newly arrived warriors sleep in or near this place, and the monster comes in the night to attack them.
- I don't remember the commandoes ever sleeping and being attacked by the predator (while they slept)

They fight, but the warriors' weapons and tactics are ineffective against the monster, who is protected by near-invisibility, and magic that deflects weaponry.
- Predator wasn't protected by magic, he moved to a new position after he fired.

In both stories, the hero discards some of the potent weapons with which he has been equipped (a firearm in "Predator"; the legendary sword Hrunting in "Beowulf") when he realises they are useless against the monster, and in the end he is protected by his own special armour (simple mud, in the "Predator" version).
- Arnold wasn't really protected, he got his @$$ handed to him pretty nicely once the predator found him.

Ultimately, he uses ingenuity and cunning to protect himself and outwit the monster. He turns its own weapons against it and fells it by his own singular might, removing its head (or, in "Predator", prising off its helmet) in final victory.
- Predator removed his own helmet and it had no adverse affect on him, he killed himself while attempting to kill Arnold, he just didn't realize Arnold would find a fallen tree trunk that could save him from a nuclear blast.

That entry is really reaching for similarities between the two stories.
 
huh... i'd never thought of that.

granted, i haven't read beowulf in 7 years, but still.
 
Geekz said:
What the hell is Beowulf?

wow, this is a great sign of how well the school system works in this country :o
 
Geekz said:
What the hell is Beowulf?

Please tell me you're being sarcastic.

If not, then our school systems really do suck ass.
 
I never thought of the comparisons. But then again, I didn't like Beowulf, so I wouldn't be inclined to think about it when watching movies.
 
Kevin Roegele said:
From Wikipedia:

"In both stories a group of elite foreign warriors arrive in an area suffering the depradations of a mysterious, almost-invisible monster that has defeated other warriors on their own ground — in "Beowulf" a great hall; in "Predator" the crashed (or downed?) helicopter.

The newly arrived warriors sleep in or near this place, and the monster comes in the night to attack them. They fight, but the warriors' weapons and tactics are ineffective against the monster, who is protected by near-invisibility, and magic that deflects weaponry. Picking off the warriors one by one, the monster takes, or returns and steals, the corpses of its victims, to keep as trophies.

At one crucial point the monster flees the warriors after being wounded in the arm. A sign that the monster has been wounded, an indication of its mortality, is seen in the finding of its blood, a substance of unnatural colour. (In "Beowulf", two related monsters are dealt with in succession, but in "Predator" they are conflated into one.)

In both stories, the hero discards some of the potent weapons with which he has been equipped (a firearm in "Predator"; the legendary sword Hrunting in "Beowulf") when he realises they are useless against the monster, and in the end he is protected by his own special armour (simple mud, in the "Predator" version).

Ultimately, he uses ingenuity and cunning to protect himself and outwit the monster. He turns its own weapons against it and fells it by his own singular might, removing its head (or, in "Predator", prising off its helmet) in final victory.

Both stories contain the element of gradually coming to know the nature of the mysterious monster(s), and learning how to counter it.

This is made more apparent by Jim and John Thomas' admission that their parents read Beowulf as a bed time story when they were kids."

Interesting, and makes sense.
 
I liked Beowulf when we had to read it in school. If there is a movie that has serious similarities to Beowulf, it's The 13th Warrior.
 
xwolverine2 said:
predator > beowulf
You're joking right?
Beowulf came LONG before Predator was even a thought in its creator's mind.
Have you even read Beowulf? My guess is no, you have not.
Is the film going to be only about Grendel, or is it going to be the entire story?
 
Interesting comparison. I don't have too much problem with the makers of Predator borrowing a few ideas and principles (whether consciously or not) and applying them to a different environment to create what is a great film.
 
LastSunrise1981 said:
Please tell me you're being sarcastic.

If not, then our school systems really do suck ass.
What's a "school system"? :confused:
 
My dad used to ell me stories about this guy called Beowulf and how he killed this bad guy named Grendel when I was a little kid. I thought my dad was the coolest guy ever and that he had just made up these stories. Then I get to junior year in high school my Lit teacher goes "Next, we'll be studying Beowulf". I'm thinkking "Damn, my dad must have told somebody else this story and they stole it, he needs some royalties or something." Come to find out my dad was the crook :mad:
 
Colossal Spoons said:
My dad used to ell me stories about this guy called Beowulf and how he killed this bad guy named Grendel when I was a little kid. I thought my dad was the coolest guy ever and that he had just made up these stories. Then I get to junior year in high school my Lit teacher goes "Next, we'll be studying Beowulf". I'm thinkking "Damn, my dad must have told somebody else this story and they stole it, he needs some royalties or something." Come to find out my dad was the crook :mad:
Heh, I don't know if you're serious, but that happened to me.

The way my Mom and Step-Dad met was that my Mom was a hippie/partier and got a guitar and she wanted lessons so she met this hippie partier dude in a band who agreed to give her lessons 'cause he wanted to f*** her.

So he moved in and they'd sit on the couch and play guitar and harmonize. I was in kindergarten and they'd sing this song about

"Ran into the devil, babe, he loaned me twenty bills
I spent the night in utah in a cave up in the hills.

Set out runnin but I take my time, a friend of the devil is a friend of mine,
If I get home before daylight, I just might get some sleep tonight.

I ran down to the levee but the devil caught me there
He took my twenty dollar bill and vanished in the air.",​
etc.

and I thought it was such an epic story and thought my Mom and Dad were geniuses.

Then I got older and heard the DAMN SONG ON THE RADIO!!!:cmad::(


EDIT:Worse, the song was by the Grateful Dead...who I put right up there with Green Day in my top 10 most desPISED bands. Humiliating.
 
Fascinating... Does the protag tell everyone to get to the carriage or whatever they used back then?
 
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SpeedballLives said:
You're joking right?
Beowulf came LONG before Predator was even a thought in its creator's mind.
Have you even read Beowulf? My guess is no, you have not.
Is the film going to be only about Grendel, or is it going to be the entire story?
that doesnt stop the fact that....

predator > beowulf
 
Not by a long shot. Beowulf killed a monster AND his mother. That's badass :o
 
Colossal Spoons said:
Not by a long shot. Beowulf killed a monster AND his mother. That's badass :o
predator killed an alien and its mother
 
Geekz said:
What the hell is Beowulf?
i don't read many books and i even know what that is. i read it in school. he battles a monster called grendel right?
 
Grendel wasnt a monster...well, techincally anyway :o
 

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