PS3 has a 0.2% failure rate

[Borax]

0.2% is a good thing to know given the money that I spent on mine

 

[hippie_hunter]

The Xbox 360 does have a 100% defect rate. It's not a question of whether or not your Xbox 360 is a bad apple, it's a question of whether or not the conditions you'll be playing it under will cause it to have the red ring of death. If your house is kept at a reasonable temperature, your 360 is in the open air, and you don't over play it, then you should be fine. But if your 360 is in a case next to the wall, and you live in a very warm and often humid area, playing it for hours at a time, then you are at higher risk of killing it. Also, those stupid "intercoolers" that you always see on store shelves are a piece of crap, and if anything they'll only make things worse, since they only wear out the fans that are already in your console.

The "100% defect rate" is referring to the fact that all 360s are susceptible to the red rings of death if exposed to the conditions that cause it, not just a small percentage out of all of them. It's a fundamental design flaw within the hardware itself, not just a couple that aren't built properly. That is why we are often hearing stories of people on their 4th or 5th replaced Xbox 360. They keep getting a new console, but the conditions they play it under are not changing, so when they get a new one it's just as likely to break as the last one.

If you don't take care of your Xbox 360, it's obviously going to have a 100% defect rate

The Xbox 360 doesn't have a 100% defect rate, it's just that the Playstation 3 is a really tough piece of hardware apparently.

 

[Devil May Cry]

It has a 33% failure rate. There was a 100% defect rate until recently due to a design flaw, which is different, which is why they're patching hardware with the 2nd heatsink right now and phasing out the old models that lacked the 2nd heatsink. There is a distinct difference between failure rate and defect rate. A defective machine is one that has an imperfection/imperfections or a flaw/flaws. Since MS has admitted to their being an intrinsic design "flaw" in its system, that would mean that every 360 is defective, by definition. Just because the 360 has not failed does not mean that it isn't defective. Moreover, you could take care of your 360, make sure it is in a well ventilated area, etc and it still fail on you...it's a possibility. This isn't just happening to people who are careless with their belongings. It's just that being careful with it will decrease the likelihood of the defect turning into a failure.

 

[KALEL114]

Good to see you DMC. Where you been?

 

[Devil May Cry]

Hey man, what's up? I'm back at school now, so you know how that goes. I can only post here maybe once or twice a week. It's a pretty dull month though, aint it? I actually got my 60 GB PS3, but it's back at home still in the box lol. My dad bought it for me after I left home haha. I'll try and see if I can mail it, so I can create a username, etc.


Peace.

 

[KALEL114]

Cool. Happy belated B-Day.

 

[hippie_hunter]

It has a 33% failure rate. There was a 100% defect rate until recently due to a design flaw, which is different, which is why they're patching hardware with the 2nd heatsink right now and phasing out the old models that lacked the 2nd heatsink. There is a distinct difference between failure rate and defect rate. A defective machine is one that has an imperfection/imperfections or a flaw/flaws. Since MS has admitted to their being an intrinsic design "flaw" in its system, that would mean that every 360 is defective, by definition. Just because the 360 has not failed does not mean that it isn't defective. Moreover, you could take care of your 360, make sure it is in a well ventilated area, etc and it still fail on you...it's a possibility. This isn't just happening to people who are careless with their belongings. It's just that being careful with it will decrease the likelihood of the defect turning into a failure.

Just because it was poorly designed doesn't mean it had a 100% defect rate. If it had a 100% defect rate, every single person who had an Xbox 360 would have had theirs broken down and no one would be buying them.

 

[XtromaniaK]

It has a 33% failure rate. There was a 100% defect rate until recently due to a design flaw, which is different, which is why they're patching hardware with the 2nd heatsink right now and phasing out the old models that lacked the 2nd heatsink. There is a distinct difference between failure rate and defect rate. A defective machine is one that has an imperfection/imperfections or a flaw/flaws. Since MS has admitted to their being an intrinsic design "flaw" in its system, that would mean that every 360 is defective, by definition. Just because the 360 has not failed does not mean that it isn't defective. Moreover, you could take care of your 360, make sure it is in a well ventilated area, etc and it still fail on you...it's a possibility. This isn't just happening to people who are careless with their belongings. It's just that being careful with it will decrease the likelihood of the defect turning into a failure.

There was a design flaw, yes. But that does not mean there is a 100% defect rate. Defect rate and failure rate are the exact same thing, so I have no idea what you're talking about. If something defects, it breaks or stops working. Which is the same as failing. You're splitting hairs here.

 

[KALEL114]

I think it is better to say that there is a possibility that all 360's made with faulty build will break. Right now it is 33%. It may be higher it might not. Your 360 could break tommorrow or two years from now. But, it is a ticking time bomb.

 

[Devil May Cry]

Right, Kalel. Okay, I'll say it again. A defect and a failure are the not the same at all. I don't understand how this is so hard to understand.

http://www.fastsilicon.com/latest-news/microsoft-admits-all-xbox360s-are-defective.html?Itemid=60

That article and a few others articulate what I'm trying to say exactly.


A defect does not necessarily have to induce failure. Moreover, the very fact that you admitted to a design flaw speaks volumes. A "flaw," i.e. a defect intrinsic to each and every Xbox 360 with that design.... Given the design, the allocation of heat throughout the system is disporportionate. This "flaw" does not necessarily have to cause the system to fail. There are a myriad of other factors that can diminish or liken the chances of a failure. But a failure is possible for every.single.360. out there. (well, the new heatsink models are a different story, so we'll stick to pre-price drop 360s). Why do you think a number of people on these boards constantly bring up the Falcon? The Falcon along with the heatsinks will solve the heat distribution problems i.e. the design flaw. This way, the likelihood of failure from this flaw in particular is inconsequential. I'm not as creative as you, so I don't have a milk analagy to help illustrate my "argument" (which really isn't an argument at all).

 

[Havok83]

dang, when did this thread turn into one about the 360's problems?

 

[Devil May Cry]

I'm thinking that since the PS3 has such a low failure rate, the thread was bound to degrade into a comparison of the ps3 failure rate vs. the 360s. It was inevitable.

 

[XtromaniaK]

Right, Kalel. Okay, I'll say it again. A defect and a failure are the not the same at all. I don't understand how this is so hard to understand.

http://www.fastsilicon.com/latest-news/microsoft-admits-all-xbox360s-are-defective.html?Itemid=60

That article and a few others articulate what I'm trying to say exactly.


A defect does not necessarily have to induce failure. Moreover, the very fact that you admitted to a design flaw speaks volumes. A "flaw," i.e. a defect intrinsic to each and every Xbox 360 with that design.... Given the design, the allocation of heat throughout the system is disporportionate. This "flaw" does not necessarily have to cause the system to fail. There are a myriad of other factors that can diminish or liken the chances of a failure. But a failure is possible for every.single.360. out there. (well, the new heatsink models are a different story, so we'll stick to pre-price drop 360s). Why do you think a number of people on these boards constantly bring up the Falcon? The Falcon along with the heatsinks will solve the heat distribution problems i.e. the design flaw. This way, the likelihood of failure from this flaw in particular is inconsequential. I'm not as creative as you, so I don't have a milk analagy to help illustrate my "argument" (which really isn't an argument at all).

Yes, there is a defective component. But that does not mean the whole system is defective. If it was, the system would not be able to work. Just like a physical defect, it doesn't always apply to the whole system and can be an isolated defect. Saying the system has a 100% defect rate isn't the same as saying that every system has an inherent defect. A defect rate usually refers to the failure of the system, and it is unwise to label it in such a way when it's not exactly true in context with it's meaning.

 

[Devil May Cry]

I wasn't speaking informally when I said defect rate. I don't think Timstuff was either. In other words, I wasn't referring to a defect in the context of how you and other people (perhaps) use it and believe it to mean. There is a flaw in the design of each system distributed before the newer models. Those are defects by definition. The rest of the world isn't misconstruing the terms. I typed in "xbox 360 defect rate" into google and a number of websites, including 1up, gametrailers, etc cited the exact same evidence and came to the same conclusion. The company itself has admitted to it. The inadequate distribution of heat threatens component failure. I'm not sure if I would call that isolated either. Some sites have referred to the system as a "ticking time bomb" which is somewhat inappropriate because there are measures you can take to lessen the likelihood of failure.

I understand your analogy, but it's almost as if you're saying it's a benign defect, which it is depending on how you treat your system. So, it's possible that it may never fail on you and it's possible that it might fail tomorrow, depending on how it's treated.

I gotta go. At least take what I have to say into consideration though.

Later.

 

[Purple Prancer]

The PS3 itself is a 100% failure rate. Get it? GET IT? LOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[Timstuff]

Yes, there is a defective component. But that does not mean the whole system is defective. If it was, the system would not be able to work. Just like a physical defect, it doesn't always apply to the whole system and can be an isolated defect. Saying the system has a 100% defect rate isn't the same as saying that every system has an inherent defect. A defect rate usually refers to the failure of the system, and it is unwise to label it in such a way when it's not exactly true in context with it's meaning.

Look at it this way: a toy company makes a toy gun, but later realises that a design / production flaw makes it too dangerous, since it could shoot a kid's eye out. Since I'm a careful person, this isn't a problem for me. But does that make the toy any less defective, even though the defect will not affect a lot of people?

 

[Smegger56]

If this is true, then maybe Sony made the right call in delaying the release of the PS3.

 

[Penismightier]

I've had no problems with my PS3 so far. I love the system and am completely satisfied with it. But I had no idea that the rate of failure was that low. I knew the 360 was a fireball waiting to happen, but I didn't think the PS3 was that much better designed.

 

[Havok83]

I've had no problems with my PS3 so far. I love the system and am completely satisfied with it. But I had no idea that the rate of failure was that low. I knew the 360 was a fireball waiting to happen, but I didn't think the PS3 was that much better designed.

Sony learned its lesson from the last 2 generations

 

[hippy fascist]

dang, when did this thread turn into one about the 360's problems?

ps3 fans trying to deflect some of the flak for sony ass-****ing them onto the 360?

that's the usual cause of this sort of thing..

 

[hippy fascist]

Look at it this way: a toy company makes a toy gun, but later realises that a design / production flaw makes it too dangerous, since it could shoot a kid's eye out. Since I'm a careful person, this isn't a problem for me. But does that make the toy any less defective, even though the defect will not affect a lot of people?

a careful inteligent person wouldn't spend $600 on a system with no games so it could sit there gathering dust...

maybe the reason the ps3 doesn't fail is because no-one's playing theres for anything other thgan watching movies

 

[Devil May Cry]

a careful inteligent person wouldn't spend $600 on a system with no games so it could sit there gathering dust...

maybe the reason the ps3 doesn't fail is because no-one's playing theres for anything other thgan watching movies

Why the hell did you buy one then? Just watch HD movies through the Video Marketplace on Xbox Live (which is always updated and has a pretty good selection of stuff always).

 

[hippy fascist]

because it was half price and I have too much money

 

[The Guardian]

because it was half price and I have too much money

OH COME ON DUDE CUT SONY A LITTLE SLACK, THEY'RE DOING BETTER!!!
(EXPECTS THIS REACTION) "YOU'RE ONE OF THEM??? DIE SONY FANBOY DIE!!!"up:

 

[hippy fascist]

they are doing better. I agree

I just can't understand this mentality of "I'll buy a console now and then basically not use it till the good games come out in six months

Why not just wait and buy the system WHEN it has some games worth playing?

Me I have a HDTV so basically bought it for the odd film that's on blu-ray that I really want :hi-defjunkie: