Question about Ultimate FF and the 'Frightful Four'

[Horrorfan]

After reading and loving the Marvel Zombies mini, I FINALLY got my hands on the tpb/arc it spun off of. After finishing it, I was thinking...why on earth are The FF keeping these zombies alive? It's a disease that finished off the other world in three days....why not just kill them right away? why risk it?

Oh and Thing knocked Hulk (pretty much the zombified 616 version) TFO. That lets you know Ultimate versions could pretty much pwn most of their 616 counter parts

And Namor was such a jerk. It's lucky the REAL Ultimates and X Men weren't around if fake ones game him such a hard time.

 

[XwolverineX]

After reading and loving the Marvel Zombies mini, I FINALLY got my hands on the tpb/arc it spun off of. After finishing it, I was thinking...why on earth are The FF keeping these zombies alive? It's a disease that finished off the other world in three days....why not just kill them right away? why risk it?

Oh and Thing knocked Hulk (pretty much the zombified 616 version) TFO. That lets you know Ultimate versions could pretty much pwn most of their 616 counter parts

And Namor was such a jerk. It's lucky the REAL Ultimates and X Men weren't around if fake ones game him such a hard time.

Most likely 'cause Reed would wanna test 'em or somethin' along those lines. Oh yeah, an' Ult. Namor pwns.

 

[Horrorfan]

Most likely 'cause Reed would wanna test 'em or somethin' along those lines. Oh yeah, an' Ult. Namor pwns.

He was pretty bad ass....but I felt sorry for Reed. How humiliating for what Namor made him watch. Worse than any beating, I imagine.

 

[XwolverineX]

He was pretty bad ass....but I felt sorry for Reed. How humiliating for what Namor made him watch. Worse than any beating, I imagine.

Namor's a pimp. How awesome is he?

 

[jaydawg]

After reading and loving the Marvel Zombies mini, I FINALLY got my hands on the tpb/arc it spun off of. After finishing it, I was thinking...why on earth are The FF keeping these zombies alive? It's a disease that finished off the other world in three days....why not just kill them right away? why risk it?

Oh and Thing knocked Hulk (pretty much the zombified 616 version) TFO. That lets you know Ultimate versions could pretty much pwn most of their 616 counter parts

And Namor was such a jerk. It's lucky the REAL Ultimates and X Men weren't around if fake ones game him such a hard time.

Most Ultimate characters are nothing compared to their ultimate counterparts. I didnt read that arc, so I cant comment on Ult.Thing, but the sole character I consider more powerful than their 616 counterpart is Ult. Colossus. He puts everything 616 Pete has done to shame.

 

[Horrorfan]

Most Ultimate characters are nothing compared to their ultimate counterparts. I didnt read that arc, so I cant comment on Ult.Thing, but the sole character I consider more powerful than their 616 counterpart is Ult. Colossus. He puts everything 616 Pete has done to shame.

Well the zombie universe, from what I can gather from what Marvel has said, was more or less the 616 universe with the odd, insignificant difference that makes no difference to the power levels of characters. And 616 Hulk usually pwns 616 Thing. But Ultimate Thing pwned zombie 616 Hulk no problem.

 

[Fantastic Fan22]

well, how are the UFF supposed to kill them? I mean Zombie Cap got his head sliced and didnt die, maybe containing them is the only option.

 

[Horrorfan]

well, how are the UFF supposed to kill them? I mean Zombie Cap got his head sliced and didnt die, maybe containing them is the only option.

Well it was explained that you have to destroy vital parts of the brain.....and the shield missed (however, later on in the series, the zombie red skull didn't . You have to completely annihilate the brain but they can be killed.

 

[XwolverineX]

Well the zombie universe, from what I can gather from what Marvel has said, was more or less the 616 universe with the odd, insignificant difference that makes no difference to the power levels of characters. And 616 Hulk usually pwns 616 Thing. But Ultimate Thing pwned zombie 616 Hulk no problem.

No, I don't think th' Zombies had anythin' at all to do with 616, really.

 

[GOODT!MES]

Ultimate Namor rules. If there was a collection of "golden standard" teams, like the best form of a team made from the best versions of their members from different universes, I'd put Ultimate Namor in the Illuminati. I'd also throw in 1602 Strange, Ultimate Professor X, Extremis Iron Man, 616 Mr. Fantastic from the seventies, Who is the Black Panther Black Panther, and Earth X Black Bolt(the whole

Spoiler

Terrigen mist- unleashing thing

makes him more edgy and less human.). That'd be a great team.

 

[Horrorfan]

No, I don't think th' Zombies had anythin' at all to do with 616, really.

I'm fairly sure Joe Q or someone at marvel said (paraphrasing) that it was 'more or less' the 616 universe but zombiefied. but I could be wrong, my memory sucks

 

[Elijya]

there were differences. Captain America was Colonel America there, Magneto still had the Acolytes and Asteroid M, Galactus and the surfer had never been to earth before, etc

if all of that is different various power levels could certainly be different as well

 

[Elijya]

Most Ultimate characters are nothing compared to their ultimate counterparts. I didnt read that arc, so I cant comment on Ult.Thing, but the sole character I consider more powerful than their 616 counterpart is Ult. Colossus. He puts everything 616 Pete has done to shame.

Cap certainly appears to be better. We haven't seen too much of ult. Hawkeye, but I think that fingernail trick was not something 616 Clint coulda pulled off. That's more a Bullseye kind of move

 

[GNR]

The zombies from the start of Mark's run are going to be involved in the last arc.

 

[Horrorfan]

there were differences. Captain America was Colonel America there, Magneto still had the Acolytes and Asteroid M, Galactus and the surfer had never been to earth before, etc

if all of that is different various power levels could certainly be different as well

I am absoloutly positive that someone at marvel said in most things (not all) it's more or less exactly the same....but like I said, my memory sucks ass.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

As a general rule 616 characters are generally stronger than the Ultimate counterparts, however their are some that break this rule

 

[jaydawg]

I dunno about Ult. Cap actually beating 616 Cap. I know Ult cap has the power edge (after all, he's actually superhuman in this universe), but I doubt he could actually take 616 down in a real fight.

 

[XwolverineX]

As a general rule 616 characters are generally stronger than the Ultimate counterparts, however their are some that break this rule

When th' Ultimate Universe grows an' ages, they'll increase in strength.

 

[The Question]

I dunno about Ult. Cap actually beating 616 Cap. I know Ult cap has the power edge (after all, he's actually superhuman in this universe), but I doubt he could actually take 616 down in a real fight.

616 Cap is a superhuman. Just a very low level superhuman.

 

[XwolverineX]

616 Cap is a superhuman. Just a very low level superhuman.

Isn't he still listed as just peek human?

 

[The Question]

In all areas. He's peak in strength, speed, and agility all at once. That's superhuman. Plus, he has superhuman endurance. His body doesn't create fatigue poisons, so he could keep fighting for hours and not get tired from anything besides a lack of food and sleep.

 

[Alex Summers]

Horrorfan,
I would recommend that you stop posting. I've read most of your posts and you don't seem to really no anything, besides the lame Ultimate titles.

 

[GOODT!MES]

Hey, he's got double your posts. And yes, it's the quality, not the quantity, of posts, but this thread is a legitimate question.

And speaking of moron..."Ever thread you start"?

 

[Alex Summers]

Touche!

 

[GOODT!MES]

No, I even reputed that...

And yes, it's the quality, not the quantity of posts...

I'm just saying...you can't just tell people not to post. He had a question, so he came here for an answer. That's why I came here under my old user name so many months ago. I wanted an answer. I haven't seen anything Horrorfan has ever posted that has made me think he's incapable of a coherent post.

To a further extent, just because he seems to enjoy the Ultimate titles doesn't make them lame. that, sir, is your opinion. I love the Ultimate books, and I started off my comic reading with 616. i like them both for different reasons. My other opinions are that Fables sucks, Ex Machina and Hellboy are very well written, and Battle Hymn and Invincible are lacking a spark that most comics have. That's my opinion. I'm not going to denounce someone's reputability on various topics based solely on their enjoyment of a book I dont' care for. Elijya is a big fan of Invincible, but I still trust his judgement on anything.

Horrorfan may not know much else besides the Ultimate line, but he may only have the money to buy the Ultimate books. Maybe he just prefers them. My point is that he came here for an answer to a question and you've told him to effectively cease and desist simply because he knows more about the Ultimat books than 616. At least, that's what your last post suggests.

By the way- this is an Ultimate book based thread. His knowledge of "nothing, besides the lame Ultimate titles" shouldn't even matter if he's asking a question in an Ultimate thread.