I read comics when I was younger but stopped until the wave of comic book movies reignited my interests. It wasn't exactly an easy thing to considering all the stories I had missed...In short I had no idea what was going on have the time in the 616 universe. So I started reading the Ultimate line of books and loved it at first for what it represented at the time. It wasn't bound by decades of continuity and stories. At the time the stories were more realistic...no time travel or alternate futures. There wasn't an abundance of characters unlike in 616 where somebody would show up and I wouldn't know who they were or what they were about. There was only one book per franchise. The continuity between books was easy to follow. And it was in a modern more realistic setting. There was less of a pressence of aliens, demons, and gods which I liked. In short the Ultimate Universe seemed to be a remake of the 616 universe. It made easier for me to jump back into 616. For example by reading the Ultimates it made it easier to get into the Avengers(which I wasn't very familiar with at the time) Then everything, in my opinion went to crap. They brought time travel and alternate universes in for one. They started doing gimmicky things like making Cable future wolverine. The storylines became more outlandish...like the Clone Saga. I think you guys know what I'm getting at. If you read the first few runs of Ultimate Spiderman, X-men, and Fantastic Four and compare them to their more recent runs you may see what I'm talking about. I stopped reading the Ultimate line all together so i don't know if the Ultimates is still good or not. To me the Ultimate line was originally was a remake of 616 and a more streamlined more realistic approach to super hero comics. Now it just seems to be a parody of 616. So anybody agree and if so know why it ended up like this?