Sequels Question for those who didn´t like the movie...

[ultimatefan]

... Let´s say, hypothetically - and there are lotsa statements pointing in that direction - that the sequel to SR fills all or most of these items...

- It has more action and actual superhero/supervillain fight scenes
- It has a popular villain from comics that hasn´t been used on the movies yet, like Brainiac, Darkseid or Doomsday
- It´s shorter and tighter
- It has less emphasis on romance and the kid thing
- It has less scenes and plot points that pay homage to Donner

Before you say, "Singer´s not gonna do that", or "I want a reboot", remember that a lot of statements from Singer and the writers point in that direction and that a reboot in the short term is not a realistic scenario right now. Above it all, speaking just hypothetically, if the sequel has those elements, would you be open to give Singer a second chance and look at MOS without preconceived negativity?

 

[GreenKToo]

I'm one of those that didnt love it, but I didnt hate it either.

As of right now, a J.L. film sounds more appealing to me, but if singer would have a couple of supervillains in his sequel BESIDES Lex, at least two great superfights, and if they would tinker with the suit a little, then i'm all for him doing M.O.S.

 

[ultimatefan]

I'm one of those that didnt love it, but I didnt hate it either.

As of right now, a J.L. film sounds more appealing to me, but if singer would have a couple of supervillains in his sequel BESIDES Lex, at least two great superfights, and if they would tinker with the suit a little, then i'm all for him doing M.O.S.

I think there´s a lot of complications in doing a JLA movie right now. I think it can be awesome, but not for right now. To me characters like WW and Flash should be introduced to feature films in their own individual pieces first.

 

[GreenKToo]

we of course know who Flash and W.W. are, but I doubt the general public is as familiar as we about them. I think a J.L. film, (if successful), would open the door for numerous solo films.

Of course they could be successful without a J.L. film, but they would need big time actors filling the roles to draw the masses in, which would be very expensive and damaging for profits if the film(s) failed. so its a gamble either way.

 

[Matt]

In all honesty, probably not. The second a Singer MOS is greenlit, I am pretty much done with this board. I am not going to see a sequel to a movie I did not like nor will I spend two years sitting around discussing it. Even if those aspects are there (and those are all big ifs), the ground work is laid down, the universe is established, as are the characters. There is no getting away from that. I do not like the direction the characters or the universe was taken...therefore, it is not logical to see a sequel to it.

 

[GreenKToo]

In all honesty, probably not. The second a Singer MOS is greenlit, I am pretty much done with this board. I am not going to see a sequel to a movie I did not like nor will I spend two years sitting around discussing it. Even if those aspects are there (and those are all big ifs), the ground work is laid down, the universe is established, as are the characters. There is no getting away from that. I do not like the direction the characters or the universe was taken...therefore, it is not logical to see a sequel to it.

I feel you. I'm still on the fence about him. I need to see what he has up his sleeve for it before really deciding.

As of right now, i'm leaning toward the J.L. side of the fence, but I havent fell over just yet..

 

[Thunder Emperor]

In all honesty, probably not. The second a Singer MOS is greenlit, I am pretty much done with this board. I am not going to see a sequel to a movie I did not like nor will I spend two years sitting around discussing it. Even if those aspects are there (and those are all big ifs), the ground work is laid down, the universe is established, as are the characters. There is no getting away from that. I do not like the direction the characters or the universe was taken...therefore, it is not logical to see a sequel to it.

Well said Matt, the dude ****ed up superman in a major way. Kickinghim off is the only way to redeem the franchise.

 

[Super Kal]

he REALLY needs to redeem himself to get my attention... but I don't see that happening.

 

[Apollo]

superman needs to be bigger

change the costume so it looks more bad ass,

no red tights,

longer cape,

glowing yellow eyes, lol

 

[Super Kal]

no thanks...

just change the suit to a more Jim Lee-ish style, and it'll be just fine

 

[VenomsMom]

... Let´s say, hypothetically - and there are lotsa statements pointing in that direction - that the sequel to SR fills all or most of these items...

- It has more action and actual superhero/supervillain fight scenes
- It has a popular villain from comics that hasn´t been used on the movies yet, like Brainiac, Darkseid or Doomsday
- It´s shorter and tighter
- It has less emphasis on romance and the kid thing
- It has less scenes and plot points that pay homage to Donner

Before you say, "Singer´s not gonna do that", or "I want a reboot", remember that a lot of statements from Singer and the writers point in that direction and that a reboot in the short term is not a realistic scenario right now. Above it all, speaking just hypothetically, if the sequel has those elements, would you be open to give Singer a second chance and look at MOS without preconceived negativity?

For me personally, I would have to think all of those points would be addressed. But really my opinion of this Singer Sequel will not change one way or the other. As disappointed as I was with Returns its obvious that everything that has been set up can not be drastically changed. I have always only seen two options: one is a reboot which is unrealistic at this time. two is Singer comes back and finish the story he started. There is no other way around this. As far as JL goes, I for one am not that thrilled to see these superheroes thrown together on the big screen. I am not saying it probably would never work but I have seen no reason for it to work. These are very complicated heroes with unique origins and being a fan of certain heroes that you really want to see more of as frontburner may disappoint people having not seen them solo on the big screen. So this is the problem I see. As for Singer, if this thing is greenlit, I should hope that this is the last movie in this continuity and all current stories come to an end. Then later on down the line they do what should have been done and start over for the new millenium. A fresh new take on Supes,Lois,Lex and everything for the new generation.

 

[DarkSuperman]

In all honesty, probably not. The second a Singer MOS is greenlit, I am pretty much done with this board. I am not going to see a sequel to a movie I did not like nor will I spend two years sitting around discussing it. Even if those aspects are there (and those are all big ifs), the ground work is laid down, the universe is established, as are the characters. There is no getting away from that. I do not like the direction the characters or the universe was taken...therefore, it is not logical to see a sequel to it.

Yeah, that's pretty much how I feel. Why should I waste my time in anticipation of the sequel of a movie that let me down? You people might not get it, but I've been waiting for a new superman movie since I was 4 and I'm 22 now and this is what they've given me? There's a hatred and disgust in my heart that you can be sure burns hotter by the prospect of waiting another 2 years for a sequel built on the foundations of mediocrity and the defecation of the character of the characters I love.

Half my friends didn't even go see it! These are guys with a average knowledge of Superman from watching the donner films and cartoons. Who're supposed to be into stuff like that. It tremendously hurt my feelings when I asked them were they going to see the film and they said "Naaah."

That's when I knew RIGHT THERE that Singer had FAILED. If you can't capture the imagination of someone who should be minutely interested in your film, then how are you going to captivate those who don't really care at all? Answer...You can't.

So, In closing. No. Singer will not be getting another 8 bucks from me. Instead I'd much rather spend that on some chik-fil-a and stay home watching JLU instead.

 

[Apollo]

Michael Bay should direct The Justice league Movie

 

[dpm07]

Michael Bay should direct The Justice league Movie

I agree. That would be a film worth checking out.

 

[ultimatefan]

That´s sad to see, but not surprising... and yes, I understand why some aspects of it upset some fans, but the intense Schumacher-like hatred I have seen, I will never, never understand... Quite frankly, I´m gonna see the sequel and if I feel the attitude hasn´t changed even if those elements are addressed, I´m gonna leave these boards for good, and those who know me know that´s not easy for me to say. I guess I just won´t care anymore.

 

[ultimatefan]

Michael Bay should direct The Justice league Movie

I wouldn´t hire Michael Bay to direct home movies in my backyard, and yeah, I know how successful his movies are, and I couldn´t care less.

 

[Apollo]

transformers was amazing though!!

so lets say Spielberg and bay unite again to make a justice league film! i think they would do a great job, i'd see it

 

[VenomsMom]

A JL film is going to be loaded with action anyways. It just has all those dynamics. A powerful alien villain from space that poses a threat to earth causing unification among earth's elite heroes. Right up his alley.

 

[dsfjr1190]

... Let´s say, hypothetically - and there are lotsa statements pointing in that direction - that the sequel to SR fills all or most of these items...

- It has more action and actual superhero/supervillain fight scenes
- It has a popular villain from comics that hasn´t been used on the movies yet, like Brainiac, Darkseid or Doomsday
- It´s shorter and tighter
- It has less emphasis on romance and the kid thing
- It has less scenes and plot points that pay homage to Donner

Before you say, "Singer´s not gonna do that", or "I want a reboot", remember that a lot of statements from Singer and the writers point in that direction and that a reboot in the short term is not a realistic scenario right now. Above it all, speaking just hypothetically, if the sequel has those elements, would you be open to give Singer a second chance and look at MOS without preconceived negativity?

The fact still remains that Superman has a bastard child. Might as well call the next movie 'Superman & Son'. I've actually had no problems with the rest of SR. If it was exactly the same except for Superman having a son I'd love it.

 

[Motown Marvel]

lets be careful not to turn this thread into "what would you rather see, MOS or JLA"...enough of that crap is going on elsewhere and it wasnt the intentions of this topic.

but singer and crew has admitted to planning for the changes posted by the topic starter. i think singer is well aware of the criticisms, recognized the flaws of SR and is willing to work to remedy them in the sequel. and i dont see how anyone could really say "this is what i didnt like about SR" then not go see the sequel where all the things they didnt like are fixed....i mean, isnt that what you wanted? im thinking a lot of people here are gonna be turned off by singer returning, then once they get a whiff of what he's producing down the line, they'll slowly become interested and check it out.

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

... Let´s say, hypothetically - and there are lotsa statements pointing in that direction - that the sequel to SR fills all or most of these items...

- It has more action and actual superhero/supervillain fight scenes
- It has a popular villain from comics that hasn´t been used on the movies yet, like Brainiac, Darkseid or Doomsday
- It´s shorter and tighter
- It has less emphasis on romance and the kid thing
- It has less scenes and plot points that pay homage to Donner

Before you say, "Singer´s not gonna do that", or "I want a reboot", remember that a lot of statements from Singer and the writers point in that direction and that a reboot in the short term is not a realistic scenario right now. Above it all, speaking just hypothetically, if the sequel has those elements, would you be open to give Singer a second chance and look at MOS without preconceived negativity?

I'd be willing to give singer a second chance if the aforementioned points were satisfied, but i believe the probability of him being able to execute those points are low, which is why I want a new director/reboot.

But if he is capable of doing those things, I'll give B another chance.

 

[Matt]

That´s sad to see, but not surprising... and yes, I understand why some aspects of it upset some fans, but the intense Schumacher-like hatred I have seen, I will never, never understand... Quite frankly, I´m gonna see the sequel and if I feel the attitude hasn´t changed even if those elements are addressed, I´m gonna leave these boards for good, and those who know me know that´s not easy for me to say. I guess I just won´t care anymore.

You can only address the elements so far. The foundation which they are based upon is laid. It is still going to be a sequel to a mediocre movie. That is like building a house and saying "well, we built the foundation really weak, but as long as we decorate it nicely, it shouldn't collapse."

Second Ultimatefan, I have always liked you, you are one of the best posters on the Hype, but will all respect...who the hell are you to tell us we need to change because we didn't like something? Maybe the problem isn't with us but with what Singer gave us.

 

[I Am The Knight]

JLA is foolish right now. WB wants to develop WATCHMEN and JLA at ALMOST THE SAME TIME? nonsense. They should wait, get Watchmen done and then see how a team of "heroes" works onscreen. I know they are differnt properties, different type of heroes (Watchmen's one powered dude versus JLA's all powered team) but I don't see the need to rush JLA. Also get on with MOS already. It has great potential.

 

[Matt]

JLA is foolish right now. WB wants to develop WATCHMEN and JLA at ALMOST THE SAME TIME? nonsense. They should wait, get Watchmen done and then see how a team of "heroes" works onscreen. I know they are differnt properties, different type of heroes (Watchmen's one powered dude versus JLA's all powered team) but I don't see the need to rush JLA. Also get on with MOS already. It has great potential.

Watchmen can't be compared to JLA. Watchmen is an adult social/politcal satire. It is hardly the epic flag ship movie Warners needs with the Harry Potter era coming to an end.

 

[Super Kal]

... and that's probably why I won't watch it