Sequels Question for those who didn´t like the movie...

[Spider-Fan83]

would you be open to give Singer a second chance and look at MOS without preconceived negativity?

yes and no
i am open to a sequel, i agree a reboot or revamp, would be pointless and way to early, but, Singer doesn't seem to have acknowledged anything about SR being bad, he thinks the movie was perfect, and i just don't think he'd make the necessary changes, and just continue with what he started
but, it depend on how the plot and story start to pan out, once we get some really new on whats going on with it, I’ll make my judgment based on that
I try not to judge sequels by the first movie, certainly the first movie sets a tone and develops the cast to a degree, but, things can change for the better, further down the line

 

[Cosmic]

The list in the original post is inadequate. The core criticisms against this movie have nothing to do with an excess of romance or a lack of action.

 

[Excel]

I seriously don't even understand that logic . so when he was 4 -18 he thought of himself clark as a disgues? really is that what you think. Such a flawed think produced a poor product.

hes obviuosly clark kent. I meant his daily planet clark kent, not his smallville one when hes 4-18. Use your brain

 

[Mr. Socko]

I hate when he's all stupid and bumbling. Why can't he just act like an average guy who draws no attention to himself. Stuttering and tripping over his own shoes doesn't help.

 

[hammy]

Lol, I know. He sure makes a spectacle of himself for someone trying to be inconspicuous.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Are you freaking kidding me. When he was born he was not named superman. He was named Ka-el. Then clark kent. I grew up with superman type values. Where did he get those values from, the kents. You guys fail to see the point. that superman is the product of his up bringing not his DNA. yes he has superpowers but he chocie to be a force for good,. truth, justice and the American way. Where did he get his damn American way from the kent farm in Smallivlle, kansa. Not krypton. Lord help me.

Please explain to me how the Clark Kent identity would exist, if the Kents never found him, raised him or named him?

Kal-El is Superman. It's who he was born as and who he would grow up to become. A Kryptonian man with powers far beyond those of mortal men, who wears a suit with the crest of his family and his heritage, proudly on his chest. As Clark Kent, he's always hiding who he really is and what he can do. He's being someone he's not. As Superman (or Kal-El, same difference), he can proudly display his true heritage to the world and show them what he is capable of.

The Kents instilled Clark with his morals and values. His upbringing was the reason he grew up to be a good man and use his powers to benefit the world but my original point still stands. Clark Kent would have only existed if the Kents had raised him but Superman would have existed no matter what, regardless of what path he chose in life. Red Son shows this clearly.

David Carradine's character from Kill Bill said it best, when it comes to this subject:

As you know, l'm quite keen on comic books. Especially the ones about superheroes. I find the whole mythology surrounding superheroes fascinating. Take my favorite superhero, Superman. Not a great comic book. Not particularly well-drawn. But the mythology... The mythology is not only great, it's unique. Now, a staple of the superhero mythology is, there's the superhero and there's the alter ego. Batman is actually Bruce Wayne, Spider-Man is actually Peter Parker. When that character wakes up in the morning, he's Peter Parker. He has to put on a costume to become Spider-Man. And it is in that characteristic Superman stands alone. Superman didn't become Superman. Superman was born Superman. When Superman wakes up in the morning, he's Superman. His alter ego is Clark Kent. His outfit with the big red "S", that's the blanket he was wrapped in as a baby when the Kents found him. Those are his clothes. What Kent wears - the glasses, the business suit - that's the costume. That's the costume Superman wears to blend in with us. Clark Kent is how Superman views us. And what are the characteristics of Clark Kent. He's weak... he's unsure of himself... he's a coward. Clark Kent is Superman's critique on the whole human race.

 

[C. Lee]

I hate when he's all stupid and bumbling. Why can't he just act like an average guy who draws no attention to himself. Stuttering and tripping over his own shoes doesn't help.

Because he's not trying to not call attention to himself....he's calling attention to the fact that Clark is clumsy, bumbly, and noncordinated....which is nothing at all like Superman.

 

[superbaby]

perhaps they were just asking don't ignore clark kent and only make him as a comedy relief.

 

[Super Kal]

Because he's not trying to not call attention to himself....he's calling attention to the fact that Clark is clumsy, bumbly, and noncordinated....which is nothing at all like Superman.

I can understand that, but I would like Clark to have a bit more self esteem instead of looking like Reginald Barclay all the time

 

[Thunder Emperor]

Please explain to me how the Clark Kent identity would exist, if the Kents never found him, raised him or named him?

Kal-El is Superman. It's who he was born as and who he would grow up to become. A Kryptonian man with powers far beyond those of mortal men, who wears a suit with the crest of his family and his heritage, proudly on his chest. As Clark Kent, he's always hiding who he really is and what he can do. He's being someone he's not. As Superman (or Kal-El, same difference), he can proudly display his true heritage to the world and show them what he is capable of.

The Kents instilled Clark with his morals and values. His upbringing was the reason he grew up to be a good man and use his powers to benefit the world but my original point still stands. Clark Kent would have only existed if the Kents had raised him but Superman would have existed no matter what, regardless of what path he chose in life. Red Son shows this clearly.

David Carradine's character from Kill Bill said it best, when it comes to this subject:

Again you fail to see the point. Now lets take you line of thinking. If the kents never found him , he would not be superman but a kryptonian who landed on earth. if he was rasied by the goverment. His values will come from the goverement. If he was rasied by A rusian family, his values will come from there. He was nto sent here to become superman. Because on krypton they have no powers. He was sent here to survive and be given a chance to live.

kal-el got power due to our yellow sun and his Dna. But he became superman due to his values. Its his values that built his character. Take you for exmaple, you would not be BenReilly19 ( real name) if you were raised by another family. Your set of values will differ, and who you evetually becomes changes according to your enviroment and your genetic structure. So in essence superman is superman because he was taught good values and also found his heritages and the fact that his krytonian parents values mirored the kents. So you tell me if he saw his dead fathers hologram and it said all humas are evil kill them immediately. would go off and kill Ma and PA kent, Lana, Pete and everyone else?

Answer that question.

 

[Lighthouse]

Singer had a great quote in one of the blogs where he says Superman is actually 3 people. 1 is Superman, the hero he puts in front of the crowd, the other is Clark Kent, a bumbling silly news reporter, and then there is Clark on the farm, who is the real person inside. Too bad we didn't get to really see him.

 

[VenomsMom]

I can understand that, but I would like Clark to have a bit more self esteem instead of looking like Reginald Barclay all the time

I dont mind the bumbling and what not. Its just part of the disquise. Its why no matter how much people may think he looks like Superman or why he is never around when Supes show up they shrug the whole notion off. This guy could never be Superman. Thats the whole point. What reason would he change any aspect of that persona. Its not really him.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Again you fail to see the point. Now lets take you line of thinking. If the kents never found him , he would not be superman but a kryptonian who landed on earth. if he was rasied by the goverment. His values will come from the goverement. If he was rasied by A rusian family, his values will come from there. He was nto sent here to become superman. Because on krypton they have no powers. He was sent here to survive and be given a chance to live.

kal-el got power due to our yellow sun and his Dna. But he became superman due to his values. Its his values that built his character. Take you for exmaple, you would not be BenReilly19 ( real name) if you were raised by another family. Your set of values will differ, and who you evetually becomes changes according to your enviroment and your genetic structure. So in essence superman is superman because he was taught good values and also found his heritages and the fact that his krytonian parents values mirored the kents. So you tell me if he saw his dead fathers hologram and it said all humas are evil kill them immediately. would go off and kill Ma and PA kent, Lana, Pete and everyone else?

Answer that question.

I see your point but you fail to see mine. I'm not debating values or what was the cause of Superman using powers to benefit mankind. That all came from the Kents and his upbringing, which I stated in my previous point.

What I am debating is who the real persona is and IMO it's Superman.

In simple terms, as Clark Kent, he is pretending to be an average human being but as Superman, he is being himself and showing the world who he really is and what he can do.

 

[superbaby]

Singer had a great quote in one of the blogs where he says Superman is actually 3 people. 1 is Superman, the hero he puts in front of the crowd, the other is Clark Kent, a bumbling silly news reporter, and then there is Clark on the farm, who is the real person inside. Too bad we didn't get to really see him.

singer told a lot of wonderful tale... and made you believe that he is the best director you could get for superman.

 

[deemar325]

What's going down?

 

[Mr. Socko]

What's going down?

Snakes......and you can guess where they are

 

[Astrodust]

If Singer is involved in another Superman movie, it will be a rental for me.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I'm going to have to concur.

Reason being because I can't trust critics anymore, and I would see it if the previews looked good but the problem is, I was already fooled with the SR previews. Damn did that trailer make it out to be one amazing epic film! Boy was that a letdown!

 

[Super Kal]

you can't trust critics... just trust what you think about it.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I'll probably look for some credible user reviews before I see it.

 

[Roland]

This thread . . . YAWN.

Superman is done, son!

After $200 million to reboot a dead franchise----and the result was Singer's Folly?

Frikken DONE, son!

Warner Bros. can't let it go cuz they know how much moolah can be squeezed from Supe's copyrights, but keep in mind these are the same asshats who gave Singer 200 frikken million dollars to film miniature train sets being wrecked by a toy crystal set! Suckers.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Please explain to me how the Clark Kent identity would exist, if the Kents never found him, raised him or named him?

Kal-El is Superman. It's who he was born as and who he would grow up to become. A Kryptonian man with powers far beyond those of mortal men, who wears a suit with the crest of his family and his heritage, proudly on his chest. As Clark Kent, he's always hiding who he really is and what he can do. He's being someone he's not. As Superman (or Kal-El, same difference), he can proudly display his true heritage to the world and show them what he is capable of.

The Kents instilled Clark with his morals and values. His upbringing was the reason he grew up to be a good man and use his powers to benefit the world but my original point still stands. Clark Kent would have only existed if the Kents had raised him but Superman would have existed no matter what, regardless of what path he chose in life. Red Son shows this clearly.

David Carradine's character from Kill Bill said it best, when it comes to this subject:

I dislike that Speech because I never cared for the Clark Kent isn't real, he was raised as Clark Kent not Superman. I agree with Matt.

 

[Dr. Fate]

I hate when he's all stupid and bumbling. Why can't he just act like an average guy who draws no attention to himself. Stuttering and tripping over his own shoes doesn't help.

I agree.

And I agree with I SEE SPIDEY and Matt.

 

[superbaby]

This thread . . . YAWN.

Superman is done, son!

After $200 million to reboot a dead franchise----and the result was Singer's Folly?

Frikken DONE, son!

Warner Bros. can't let it go cuz they know how much moolah can be squeezed from Supe's copyrights, but keep in mind these are the same asshats who gave Singer 200 frikken million dollars to film miniature train sets being wrecked by a toy crystal set! Suckers.

and the sad thing is... it has more action/impact than the real one.