Superman Returns Question for those who didnt like/disappointed the movie...

[mego joe]

^ So that means SR is lower than BF??? You maybe right. SR wasn't entertaining it at all.

SR was Hulk bad. Never saw Catwoman, so I can't compare....

 

[mego joe]

jus tto let you guys who arent buying the movie and saying theres too may plot holes... you know thrers gonna be 15-20 of the cut footage shown right?

Unfortunately, they are not editting out the whole SUper--illegitimate-kid storyline. That might be worth buying. No I'll not support this movie with anymore money, nor a sequel.

 

[larryfilmmaker]

SR was Hulk bad. Never saw Catwoman, so I can't compare....

that's just wrong. Nothing in SR is even remotely close to being as lame as giant mutant DOGS or Banner's dad turning into a giant wad of electricity.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

that's just wrong. Nothing in SR is even remotely close to being as lame as giant mutant DOGS or Banner's dad turning into a giant wad of electricity.

Agreed.

 

[Dr. Fate]

For the ones that hated/didnt like the movie/disappointed..my question is this..are you still buying the dvd when it comes out? if so..why? i'd like to see some discussion on this matter..

No. I will not waste my money on the DVD of Superman Returns.

Why would I buy a Superman movie where Superman is mean to his dog, and is a peeping tom and a trespasser. Lex's plan was terrible,why would anyone want to buy land on New Krytpton where there's nothing but black sharp rocks everywhere. The movie has no setup, who's this guy? For the rest of the film he hardly says a word. So no I won't be buying this movie on DVD.

Exactly.

 

[dar-El]

I am a lifelong Superman fan and i will NOT watch Returns again nor buy the dvd. instead i will do everything i can to ensure that Singer does not make a sequel to that piece of trash. Anyone who makes the mistake of calling Superman Jor-El, which Singer did at comic con 05, proves that he doesnt know what he's doing and should not be allowed any where near the character again. Enough damage has been done with returns. I hope somehow, someway everyone could understand that.

 

[GreenKToo]

haha...the poodle was....cute.hehe

that's just wrong. Nothing in SR is even remotely close to being as lame as giant mutant DOGS or Banner's dad turning into a giant wad of electricity.

 

[X Knight]

i agree with dor-el.

I'm not going to spend any more money on SR. Not even the videogame, no matter how cool it would be to control Supes flying through Metropolis.

Maybe if all of us Superman fans who were dissappointed by the movie spoke with our wallets and boycotted anything SR related......WB will get the message....lol.

 

[bunk]

I'll definetly be picking up SR when it drops(heh). Very cool movie. It delivered in all the areas it needed to for me. I can't wait to see how they build on it for the next.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Anyone who makes the mistake of calling Superman Jor-El, which Singer did at comic con 05, proves that he doesnt know what he's doing and should not be allowed any where near the character again.

That's a pretty poor piece of logic. He got mixed up for a second...he was in front of a huge audience...he corrected himself. Some people -- like myself -- have a problem with two's, which is when there are two possible choices, its easy to get confused as to which one is the correct one because of the whole 50% thing. You probably don't understand. Anyway...

The main thing that disappointed me was the morose mood. Superman isn't Batman; he represents optimism and overcoming great odds. Let's see that in the sequel.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

that's just wrong. Nothing in SR is even remotely close to being as lame as giant mutant DOGS or Banner's dad turning into a giant wad of electricity.

Those are strange moments in the Hulk, but Superman lifting up a giant continent is just as hokey.

There is ONE thing that could have made it better:

Lifting it from the TOP, instead of the BOTTOM. I have no grip on how Superman could have balanced that thing while lifting it from the bottom, given its size compared to his size, regardless of how strong he is.

 

[GreenKToo]

He couldnt lift it from the top because of the kryptonite.He dove down into the sea floor to lift it,he had a layer of earth between him and the kryptonite to protect him,untill it (N.K).continued to grow, and he was exposed to it....about the balanceing....in the comics,superman has an aura that projects over objects he is lifting(hence be able to lift and balance ships and other heavy objects with out them breaking under their own weight)I dont know if the aura thing applies to S.R. but it hepled me accept things like lifting N.K.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Exactly, the Kryptonite on top of the island would have rendered him helpless, again, hence why into burrowed through the earth below the island, tot try and shield himself from the kryptonite.

 

[dar-El]

Er is the Earth made of lead? Cos i cant see that protecting him at all?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I dont think the sea bed is made of lead? And isnt lead something that can block Kryptonite?

 

[GreenKToo]

Earth(dirt,soil) protects u from radiation,if their is enough of it between you and the source....Its true,look it up.why do u think old bomb shelters are underground?yes to protect from the blast,but also from radiation.

Er is the Earth made of lead? Cos i cant see that protecting him at all?

 

[dar-El]

God this is crazy we're arguing over a movie. Still i find it hard to believe he could lift what is essentially a giant piece of kryptonite. If he landed on it and got his ass kicked by 3 mortals there's no way he could lift the damn thing.

 

[GreenKToo]

well,he did recharge first,and the kryptonite on N.K. wasnt pure 'K'.It was mixed with the crystals lex used to make it.The more it grew the more it was diluted.

God this is crazy we're arguing over a movie. Still i find it hard to believe he could lift what is essentially a giant piece of kryptonite. If he landed on it and got his ass kicked by 3 mortals there's no way he could lift the damn thing.

 

[X Knight]

but....see......that's really frustrating with SR.....it leaves alot of things open to interpretation.......creating more questions and confusions than it does answers.

For example, in regards to NK, perhaps Supes did bury himself deep enough to protect himself from the Kryptonite. But, that's just some people's interpretation. The movie didn't really make it clear that he was doing that.

The same with the vague history / continuity mess. How exactly does SR fit in with the Donner movies? When exactly did Supes and Lois have a relationship and sleep together?

The movie never really addresses any of that......leaving it open to questions / interpretation / confusion.........

But...perhaps Singer did that....so that we have to buy the DVD and listen to the commentaries, etc.....sigh.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

but....see......that's really frustrating with SR.....it leaves alot of things open to interpretation.......creating more questions and confusions than it does answers.

For example, in regards to NK, perhaps Supes did bury himself deep enough to protect himself from the Kryptonite. But, that's just some people's interpretation. The movie didn't really make it clear that he was doing that.

The same with the vague history / continuity mess. How exactly does SR fit in with the Donner movies? When exactly did Supes and Lois have a relationship and sleep together?

The movie never really addresses any of that......leaving it open to questions / interpretation / confusion.........

But...perhaps Singer did that....so that we have to buy the DVD and listen to the commentaries, etc.....sigh.

Singer has never been a director who 'lays it all out there' so to speak, he likes the audience to discover some things for themselves, like how Xavier knew a lot more about Wolverine's past than he was letting on in X2 or a lot of the history between Stryker and Xavier in X2 also, we had to work some of that out for ourselves and i for one prefer it that way.

 

[GreenKToo]

I do agree with you to a point,they could have explained things a little better.It did have some continuity with S:II.Remember when lex and company were in the FOS in S.R.and kitty ask lex if he had been there before?

but....see......that's really frustrating with SR.....it leaves alot of things open to interpretation.......creating more questions and confusions than it does answers.

For example, in regards to NK, perhaps Supes did bury himself deep enough to protect himself from the Kryptonite. But, that's just some people's interpretation. The movie didn't really make it clear that he was doing that.

The same with the vague history / continuity mess. How exactly does SR fit in with the Donner movies? When exactly did Supes and Lois have a relationship and sleep together?

The movie never really addresses any of that......leaving it open to questions / interpretation / confusion.........

But...perhaps Singer did that....so that we have to buy the DVD and listen to the commentaries, etc.....sigh.

 

[X Knight]

well....I'm not against a little intrigue or mystery. If those elements keep you interested in the story and characters....then that is fine.

But, if it's so vague and open to interpretation.......then it can create confusion.....especially when it relates to a character's powers / abilities ( Superman's vulnerability to Kryptonite ) or if a movie is based on previous movies.......

In the case of the X-movies......there were no previous movies to be based upon.....Xavier's mysterious past and relations to the other characters was not dealt upon previously.....so that creates intrigue and makes the viewers curious......

It would be like a director, 10 / 20 years from now, deciding to do another X-men movie that continues Singer's vision, and ignores X3. But, if that movie is not a direct sequel to the events of X2, and is instead a "vague sequel" to X1 and X2 that is related somehow to those movies.....then that can create confusion.

Especially when the director starts changing the relationships around. Says, having Cyclops and Jean be married. Then, the audience has to compare that to their relationship in X1 and X2, and try to figure out how this new movie fits in.

And, that's what happened in SR. In SR, Supes and Lois obviously had a prior relationship, had sex, and then Supes left abruptly without saying goodbye to Lois. Also, it appears that Lois doesn't know Supes is Clark. Plus, it establishes that Supes and Lex had a prior showdown....which landed Lex in jail.

But, how does that fit into Superman 1 and 2 ( which SR is supposed to be vaguely based on )? In Superman 1, Lois died, and Supes turned back time ( disobeying Jor-El's command ) to save the woman he loves. Is that the same Superman who would sleep with Lois and then leave abruptly without a goodbye?

In Superman 2, Lois found out Superman's identity, Supes gave up his power, slept with Lois, got his powers back, then Amnesia kissed Lois. Does SR include all that into its continuity?

When did Supes and Lois sleep together? Did they do it ala Superman 2? Or, as SR seems to suggest, did they do it after the "First Flight" night in Superman 1? However, in Superman 1, that "First Flight" nigh scene is a very innocent one and never implies that they hopped into the sack afterwards.

Same with Lex. Was Lex in jail because of the events in Superman 1? Or was it after the events in Superman 2?

SR leaves all these questions open......because it ( or Singer ) never clearly delineates how SR fits in......and that's confusing.....especially to ppl who are NOT familiar with the older movies.

 

[Showtime]

Singer has never been a director who 'lays it all out there' so to speak, he likes the audience to discover some things for themselves, like how Xavier knew a lot more about Wolverine's past than he was letting on in X2 or a lot of the history between Stryker and Xavier in X2 also, we had to work some of that out for ourselves and i for one prefer it that way.

I agree with you there, it's subtle, they don't put it all on a silver platter like Raimi and the Spiderman franchise, which aggrevates me about Spiderman.

 

[Super Kal]

well, I for one will be buying this DVD. Even though I didn't like it, I'm still gonna support my favorite superhero.

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

No way. The only way that dvd will appear in my home is if I buy the ultimate Superman collection box-set.