Ratner's take on X3 a few years later.

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  1. Theweepeople

    Theweepeople Well-Known Member

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    He's right though. You'll never please everyone.
    Honestly, x3 is a blast to watch.
     
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    We’re now almost two X-Men movies and four years beyond The Last Stand. Since then, we’ve had some brilliant comic book adaptations and even more to look forward to, and Brett Ratner isn’t involved with a single one of them. I think it’s safe to say he can be ignored.
     
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    I'm not going to hate on Ratner. He did a decent job with all the pieces already in place. A lot of the problems that bothered me were cast schedules and he can't be blamed for that. It's more Singer's fault than Ratner's.
     
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    Hound55 Byfar The Most Evil Thing

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    X-Men Origins: Wolverine was considerably worse than X-Men 3.

    Ratner, whilst not being good, cops far too much flak. He's somehow become a bigger joke in the industry than Michael Bay despite not really getting his monster budgets to work with.

    At least Ratner's had a Red Dragon to his name... that piece alone puts him above anything Bay COULD do...

    X3 was pretty much "middle of the board" to me... And when you consider all of the crap FOX was pulling I'd say it was a fairly pleasant surprise that it was as good as it was...
     
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    That's exactly when I realized he was not to blame - because he can adapt a book/comicbook brilliantly, when he has the actual time and effort necessary from all those involved. Obviously rushing X-Men into production hurt the movie in so many ways, as many cast members had to drop out/get written out early on due to scheduling conflicts, and we were left with a Frankenstein version of the script we were meant to have. So I try not to blame Ratner or Penn, because I honestly believe them when they say they put in their best effort and did all they could do. It's just a shame that most of us had to judge the movie on the end-product, and not on the good intentions of those involved.
     
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    Yeah I actually quite liked X-3. But it's more Rothman's fault than Singer's, and Singer's than Ratners, IMO.
     
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    Yeah, because we can all become experts about the movie business.
     
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  9. Rac

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    I found it quite boring, actually.

    Never seen Red Dragon (and don't really desire to watch it either), but I doubt it's any better than Manhunter.

    Also, The Rock and The Island > anything Ratner has ever done.
     
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    Red Dragon beat the hell out of Hannibal Rising... and whilst its not as good as the original SotL or the sequel Hannibal... the first is a classic and the second was directed by Ridley Scott, not an easy act to follow.

    And Red Dragon is clearly closer to the first two in quality than it is to the crappy Hannibal Rising.

    ...and yes, Red Dragon is better than The Rock, The Island, Armaggeddon and any thing else Bay has made.
     
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    I gave Ratner a chance when others would not. I tried to defend him and his predicament for the longest, but after reading this, I take it all back.

    May he burn in hell.

    He could've really done himself a lot of good by at the very least telling the fans what they want to hear or maybe be honest to himself and not be so "Ratner" all the time. I guess for him, he probably couldn't care less. The studio loves him, he's got his money, and he'll always get work.
     
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    I thought it was much better than Manhunter. The character of Francis Dolarhyde is given much more background and purpose in the film, becoming more of a tragic character than just a creepy bad guy that we're supposed to fear/hate. Gee, maybe Ratner could've used that working model to make some of the characters in X3 some substance.:awesome:
     
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    Heck, people should hate this guy more than Michael bay. At least Bay can admit his mistakes.
     
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  14. Hound55

    Hound55 Byfar The Most Evil Thing

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    When?!?
     
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  15. ChaoticPsylocke

    ChaoticPsylocke Edges I like 'em Rough.

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    guh. what an idiot. phoenix was butchered! and rogue and cyclops were ruined too.
     
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  16. StevieNicks1988

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    Looking back on it; Phoenix, Cyclops & Rogue were pretty much toasted, burned and thrown out. Instead we ge Paranormal Activity Jean Grey, whimpy Cyclops dead in a few scenes and well, seeing as Rogue was one of the early major players in this "saga" of the X-Men Universe, the fact they ruined her is totally b.s.

    However, there were things I liked, like Xavier's deathscene which was very emotional and I think worked very well, Kitty I thought was well done, Beast too. Angel was okay for what he was, and the final battle was pretty amazing in scope looking back on it.

    So there are a lot of cons and a lot of pros after going back and watching it again, from someone (like me) that loved to hate on this movie and Ratner. Just chalk it up with the other movies that were ruined due to too many things going wrong with production all around the same time (such as actor schedules, too many clashing ideas on the script and characters, director changes, production costs, what have you).
     
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    Nevaratoiel I don't bite... hard.

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    Funny, the first thing that popped into my head was; "What a moron". But I guess it was more the way he was saying it.

    'You can't please everyone'; Of course you can't, but you can at least listen to what the fans are thinking and what they would like to see.

    'They're wrong, I'm right'; Well, mister self esteem it seems to me. It was a hit, sure, but it really wasn't that good.

    'The more the merrier': Uhuh.... rrright... Let's put him into that room with all these mutants.

    But what do I know.... :whatever:
     
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  18. JP

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    4 years later and X3 is even worse then I initial thought it was. Before I could at least sit though it, whilst picking it apart. Now, I can't even stomach the thought of watching it.

    Yes, Cyke was killed. Yes, Jean was wasted, and yes Rogue was mistreated. But, the major problem lies with Ratners direction. Everything is about cheesy one liners and careless action. When an emotional scene arrives, he just brushes it over his shoulder.

    I feel like Vaughn could have taken the SAME script and given us a brilliant movie worth watching.
     
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    The problem I had with X2, The Last Stand and new class is the ford factory line production of these films the get them out as quick as you can, look how little time there is now between First Class's release and getting a cast in place and filmed both seemed rushed and parts seemed chopped down. Truthfully if it takes over 2 hours to do an X-Men film then leave it at 2 hours as long as its enjoyable the time will fly in for the viewer.
     
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    I thought I could sit through the movie, but I've tried twice and fallen asleep due to disinterest. Literally every time Storm talks, I roll my eyes because the delivery is just so godawful - Halle should have left the movie like she was threatening to do, she was horrible in this movie. The only scene I bought her as Storm was the memorial scene for Xavier. Other than that, I can't sit through a scene with her without reacting like an 8 year old girl seeing the boy she thinks has cooties. I tried, though, I really did.
     
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    Wow, you couldnt have summed up my feelings more perfectly, not long after its release, I could at least sit through it, now, I cant even get 10 mins in. And Ratner is just as much to blame as anyone else IMO.
     
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    Did X3 have its flaws? Absolutely, but it's still a good movie.
     
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    So is
    spider-man 3
    :o:oldrazz:
     
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    The good

    1.Kesley Grammer as Beast
    2. Pretty good action. Especialy the phoenix/Xavier battle

    The bad
    1. Cyclops is totaly negated. This wouldn't have been as bad if he hadn't of been shafted in the first two films as well.

    2. Phoenix is a cosmic force,yet is reduced to to an overglorified zombie.

    3. The Juggernaut. Jones had the spirit of the character,but I felt the suit just wasn't even a decent homage to the comic counterpart. I feel that if Juggernaut is going to be represented in an X movie you have to go all out with the character and I feel they failed with this on many,many,levels.

    4. Rogue. I mean really. WTF? Granted I can see with how her power was represented in the first two it would be hard to suddenly build it for the third but they would have been better off dropping all the extra characters and sticking to the basics.

    5. No nightcrawler. I think the funniest scene ever in the trilogy would have been an incident where Beast,Mystique,and Nightcrawler all end up in the same room looking at eachother with awkward faces.

    6. Some of the dialogue was really off the mark. Xavier and Magneto still held true to the first two but some of the stuff that spews at of Wolverine's mouth seemed kind of lame.
     
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  25. S. Grundy

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    They were clearly going for a more Ultimate X-Men look for his costume, and all things considering I think they did their best with it. It's a tough look to get right without having the helmet look ridiculous and cumbersome.

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