Justice League Ray Fisher Is Victor Stone/Cyborg

[heatvision38]

Aquaman was another example. There was no tragic spin in that run to the best of my recollection. His JSA run, he made Black Adam less irredeemable, even Sinestro became a more antiheroic character despite that he was literally the one who had infected Hal with Parallax and ruined his good name. Johns was clearly a huge Sinestro fanboy.

I didn't say he didn't write hopeful comics but that he did write dark or tragic stories. For example, if a writer writes 10 stories and 6 of them are more on the optimistic side and 4 on the cynical side, the writer would have no claim to say "stories should be optimistic and bright."

Infinite Crisis alone: he took the heroes from COIE and made them the big bads of IC. He destroyed planets (like Thanagar). He killed Golden Age Lois and Superman. He destroyed Bludhaven. He had Superboy Prime literally rip apart and massacre multiple Teen Titans, in graphic detail. He had Black Adam poke his fingers through Psycho Pirate's eyes. He ended the story with the big 3 leaving the JL and going their separate ways.

That's just one story. He also changed Barry's back story so that his mom was killed and his father was framed and sent to prison.

Flashpoint was pretty dark to say the least.

And speaking of his GL run, it was under him that the permission for GLs to take lives was granted and we saw many pretty horrific deaths.

So for him to say DC should be about hope and light just rings hollow to me at best.

And to be clear, I like the stories I listed above and have no issues whatsoever with any of those choices (ok, I didn't love what he did with the heroes of COIE), but that doesn't mean I don't recognize some of it as dark or violent or full of death.

 

[MbJ]

Stop comparing Marvel and DC please.

No. The point of comparison was precisely what I mentioned. The studio was unhappy with the reception to BVS and wanted a new direction for the sequel, but rather than delaying the movie to do that competently (building from the ground up with a new creative team), they rushed things and tried to change the product on the fly.

I insist on the Flash movie being the center of this all. He's asked for heads on a silver plate to sign on and Hamada called to offer 2/3 of them.

I don't buy it, but if it is, that was extremely stupid of him. There is no way Fisher was integral enough to the film that they'd even consider that. Much bigger actors have been successfully replaced.

 

[TheFuture]

There is one thing Ray Fisher isn't doing a lot of these days.
Acting.
The only thing he has on his iMDB Page for 2020 is The Snyder Cut.

People call Fisher petty yet this is the type of petty comment that his regularly thrown his way.

If that phone call about DP's Cyborg is true then Johns crossed a line. He's meant to be heading a studio and this is the type of crap he gets up to? At best he showed how utterly ill equipped he was for the role, at worst it's harassment.

I find it hard to believe as well that eyebrows weren't raised when Joivan was cast as Cyborg. It's easy to say now it was a separate universe, but back then people were stressing about how Grant Gustin and Ezra Miller could both play The Flash at the same time. I remember thinking the Joivan casting was weird even though I wasn't particularly invested in Fisher's Cyborg.

 

[MbJ]

I find it hard to believe as well that eyebrows weren't raised when Joivan was cast as Cyborg. It's easy to say now it was a separate universe, but back then people were stressing about how Grant Gustin and Ezra Miller could both play The Flash at the same time. I remember thinking the Joivan casting was weird even though I wasn't particularly invested in Fisher's Cyborg.

Really? I don't. This was years after Ezra's casting and after Tyler Hoechlin was cast as Superman. It was pretty clear the TV stuff was separate from the DCEU by 2018.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Also just a wildly different version of the character on the show vs. the movie.

 

[MbJ]

Oh ****.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Oh ****.

Let’s see how folks try to explain this one away.

 

[Arachnerd]

Here we go.

 

[KalvinEllis]

Hope this means that Momoa will be interviewed for the investigation too.

 

[kguillou]

It has begun.

 

[Dar]

Well that ought to help move things along.

 

[Orb]

Ride ain't over yet

 

[Arachnerd]

That gif has not been more appropriate than it is now.

 

[KalvinEllis]

Let's speculate, does that mean Momoa is lending public support to Fisher since they clearly get along well, or did he actually witness the way Fisher claims to have been treated and the general toxic environment that Whedon and co supposedly produced. Or both?

Gal next?

 

[Arachnerd]

Knowing Momoa, I'd probably wager on both.

 

[chintai80]

prolly took momoa some time to show his support publicly cuz they needed their ducks in a row first.
all that legality stuff and make sure people are protected before they proceed.

it's about to go down.
battle royale.

 

[Da-Scribe]

The very guy WB first tried to use as a prop against Fisher too.

 

[KalvinEllis]

prolly took momoa some time to show his support publicly cuz they needed their ducks in a row first.
all that legality stuff and make sure people are protected before they proceed.

it's about to go down.
battle royale.

What does that mean though. He has to be interviewed for the investigation, right?

 

[chintai80]

What does that mean though. He has to be interviewed for the investigation, right?

i'm assuming yes momoa will be interviewed for the investigation, if he hasn't already been.

this is basically like a chess match between fisher and the wb big wigs.

 

[chintai80]

The very guy WB first tried to use as a prop against Fisher too.

i can imagine that really ticked off momoa too.

 

[heatvision38]

Let's speculate, does that mean Momoa is lending public support to Fisher since they clearly get along well, or did he actually witness the way Fisher claims to have been treated and the general toxic environment that Whedon and co supposedly produced. Or both?

Gal next?

Also, does it mean that there's any bad blood between Mamoa and WB since he was not involved with Fandome in anyway? Hopefully not.

 

[BlackSuitTrael]

Momoa making a STATEMENT. DAMN MAN. This is all Ray needs. Support.

 

[Mysteryman]

One friend supposing another.
Seems pretty natural to me.

 

[Arachnerd]

I don't see why you felt the need to quote me?

 

[KalvinEllis]

Talk about a comic book twist if I've ever seen one. Aquaman and Cyborg were two of the characters Geoff Johns pushed the hardest to make more prominent inside and outside of comics. How in the world did he screw up so bad that they're the ones teaming up to take him down. lol I'm trying to find some amusement in this, but the more I realize it's no laughing matter. I don't get it, this is almost surreal to me. All the stories he's written about good people needing to avoid being corrupted by great power and making bad calls in bad moments, all of that was reality-based? So Geoff was corrupted by that darn space bug too after all.