Justice League Ray Fisher Is Victor Stone/Cyborg

[chintai80]

Fisher impresses me the most even in this Fandome trailer.

same. i like what i'm seeing so far. and seems like he's the one with the deepest arc in here.
goddamn, that just makes me more mad at WB with the whedon cut.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Fisher impresses me the most even in this Fandome trailer.

Yeah same, really intrigued by his scenes.

 

[MbJ]

 

[KalvinEllis]

Notice the language he is using here. He's not saying that Hamada abused his power or threatened him to back off like he previously stated that Whedon was abusive on set or Johns threatened his career, he says Hamada "attempted" to persuade him. There clearly must be a lawyer standing next to him when he's tweeting this stuff because he knows that every word he tweets could be used in a potential defamation case against him.

 

[MbJ]

Uh oh.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Man, Ray is putting his career at risk with everything going on

 

[Detective Conan]

Man, Ray is putting his career at risk with everything going on

What career at risk? The man doesn’t even have a career to risk anymore.

 

[BlackSuitTrael]

WB smearing and burying Ray. Says he won't cooperate. More like Ray won't give in to what they want him to say. They're twisting it on Fisher now. Bridge officially burned.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Just saw that WB response. Pretty clear there won't be any repercussions for Johns, Whedon and Berg now that WB has seemingly turned against Fisher. Just out of sheer curiosity I hope that one day we'll learn what really happened.

 

[flickchick85]

Well I don't know what repercussions you'd expect for Whedon and Berg since they aren't even a part of the company (anymore) anyway. I'd assume that's why Hamada would want to "throw them under the bus." It's no skin off his nose if those two get dragged through the mud. Losing Johns would be a big deal for DC/WB going forward, so it sounds like Hamada was trying to placate Fisher by offering up Whedon and Berg on a silver platter - maybe offering to back him in "taking action" (or speaking out) against them, rather than sacrificing one of his own.

 

[KalvinEllis]

Honestly I still don't quite understand why would a guy like Geoff Johns have so much value to the point where the DC Films President would allegedly want to convince Fisher to get off his back. Over the past years we've seen anyone from actors, directors, producers and CEOs get fired or blacklisted, people with much more value to movie studios than someone like Johns could ever have, so why would WB want so desperately to keep some comic book writer? Yeah, he basically created the modern DC landscape, so what? They don't need him as a consultant for adapting stories that he wrote, they don't need him to write or produce movies or shows about Wonder Woman and Green Lantern, they don't need him to consult on Black Adam just because he made him an anti-heroic character during his JSA run, they can easily replace him with another showrunner for Stargirl, just like they replaced that former Arrowverse showrunner who was fired after allegations of misconduct. Johns is every bit as replaceable as anyone WB has ever employed before, so what makes him stand out in all of this?

I said this before, the only people I would feel sorry for if he gets booted are his creative partners for his comics. People like Gary Frank and Jason Fabok don't deserve to have their books potentially canceled after working their asses off on them for years.

 

[LifesEnd]

I would hope they wouldn't replace him on star girl tbh. Thats his character. And again I hope Fisher gives some concrete info or just shuts the hell up.

 

[SupermanFan]

I’m kind of over all this tbh, at this stage it’s all he said, they said. It also doesn’t seem like there was anything racial and certainly not any form of sexual misconduct so it sounds like Fisher is just whining cause he got spoke to like **** but are we meant to believe he wasn’t probably giving it to them aswell? Imo they should all just move on cause all it doing is causing more arguments and right now the world has much bigger fish to fry.

As always though the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

 

[flickchick85]

Honestly I still don't quite understand why would a guy like Geoff Johns have so much value to the point where the DC Films President would allegedly want to convince Fisher to get off his back. Over the past years we've seen anyone from actors, directors, producers and CEOs get fired or blacklisted, people with much more value to movie studios than someone like Johns could ever have, so why would WB want so desperately to keep some comic book writer? Yeah, he basically created the modern DC landscape, so what? They don't need him as a consultant for adapting stories that he wrote, they don't need him to write or produce movies or shows about Wonder Woman and Green Lantern, they don't need him to consult on Black Adam just because he made him an anti-heroic character during his JSA run, they can easily replace him with another showrunner for Stargirl, just like they replaced that former Arrowverse showrunner who was fired after allegations of misconduct. Johns is every bit as replaceable as anyone WB has ever employed before, so what makes him stand out in all of this?

I said this before, the only people I would feel sorry for if he gets booted are his creative partners for his comics. People like Gary Frank and Jason Fabok don't deserve to have their books potentially canceled after working their asses off on them for years.

I'm not a fan of Johns for the record, so I'm just playing Devil's Advocate, but here's the thing: Johns has been with DC for 20 years. He has experience in television, film, comics and knows everything there is to know about these characters/brands. He has plenty of connections, he has plenty of fans (hell, he's probably their biggest "name" exec), he's currently a producer on several of their upcoming projects, and he has plenty of people in all 3 industries who who have him to thank for their careers, so he's surely got some loyalty there. And like you say, he's pretty much responsible for the modern DC landscape. That's not a "so what" to the people whose livelihoods that landscape represents. Also, film executives are typically entertainment lawyers or have business/marketing backgrounds - people with his kind of experience on the creative side and exec/producing side are extremely rare commodities - he's basically the closest thing DC has to a Kevin Feige. Aside from creating and running Stargirl, which has been very well-received, he was heavily involved with (and co-wrote) Aquaman, their most financially successful film in recent memory, and is heavily involved with their other winning franchise, Wonder Woman. He's not just some interchangeable CW showrunner. He's a huge name anyone knows, with a long track record of (mostly) success with DC characters/IP's. Take off any Snyder-bias goggles about the whole JL debacle which was, frankly, A LOT of people's faults, and...Johns is likely seen as a pretty vital asset to their whole operation at this stage.

In other words, Geoff Johns has a lot of clout, both with fans and within the industry, which he's built over decades. If I'm WB and looking at this pragmatically - between Geoff Johns and Ray Fisher, an up-and-comer with few credits to his name that hasn't proven to be any kind of draw...the one who seems more "replaceable" in this scenario? Unfortunately, that's Fisher. Unless Johns proves to be more of a liability. But it will take more than vague accusations (that as far as we know include no criminal misconduct) from one actor for that to become the scenario.

 

[KalvinEllis]

Fair enough, flick. I just find it a bit strange how can someone like let's say John Lasseter who created every Pixar character there is, be suspended and then fired by Disney, yet someone like Geoff Johns would be harder to get rid of. Lasseter had a longer career in the entertainment industry than Johns, was a lot more respected and was a primary reason why Pixar became the powerhouse that it is today, yet Disney didn't take very long to get rid of him. I just find it hard to understand movie studios' decision making sometimes.

 

[flickchick85]

Fair enough, flick. I just find it a bit strange how can someone like let's say John Lasseter who created every Pixar character there is, be suspended and then fired by Disney, yet someone like Geoff Johns would be harder to get rid of. Lasseter had a longer career in the entertainment industry than Johns, was a lot more respected and was a primary reason why Pixar became the powerhouse that it is today, yet Disney didn't take very long to get rid of him. I just find it hard to understand movie studios' decision making sometimes.

Well, Lasseter's crime (which he admitted to) was more severe than what it seems like Johns is being accused of (he was harassing and molesting people), and it was far more widespread - it seemed pathological to the point that the company had people assigned to him just to rein in his behavior. Ergo, he became a liability to the company. If more people come forward about Johns, then sure, the same should likely happen to him, but I'd say they've got a ways to go before he becomes a Lasseter-sized problem.

 

[Filmfreak]

Disney also originally fired James Gunn immediately after his old tweets resurfaced. They are far more protective of their overall image than of their people. They are after all a family company. And sexual misconduct against various employees is far more difficult to spin than vague accusations of one individual (almost no name) actor.

 

[LifesEnd]

Fair enough, flick. I just find it a bit strange how can someone like let's say John Lasseter who created every Pixar character there is, be suspended and then fired by Disney, yet someone like Geoff Johns would be harder to get rid of. Lasseter had a longer career in the entertainment industry than Johns, was a lot more respected and was a primary reason why Pixar became the powerhouse that it is today, yet Disney didn't take very long to get rid of him. I just find it hard to understand movie studios' decision making sometimes.

Lasseter was fired for sexual harassment in the height of the MeToo moment era. We dont actually know what Johns or hell the other two have done. Cause if its just fisher being mad the execs said screw u to Snyder's "vision" or cut his role....thats just him being a diva. I understand the racial implications tho given the boyega stuff. But again seems fisher just doesn't get that Hollywood doesnt give a damn about "art" in their high stakes billion dollar franchises. Unless he comes out with proper claims this is by no means a Lassetter situation.

Also unlike the Nortons, heigls, Michael Pitts of the world. Hes not as prolific or talented or possessing of the star power for being taken as seriously.And remember those people were blackballed(well not Norton to the same extent)

 

[BlackSuitTrael]

Whedon's set had to of include:

Sexual harassment (verbally or physically)
Racial slurs
Physical abuse

for Ray's investigated story to have a major impact. If it was just Joss yelling and being a major dick, that won't be enough.

 

[Mani-Man]

Man, Ray is putting his career at risk with everything going on

I mean what is he doing even?
A few episodes on tv here and there, thats pretty much it.
So its not like he is putting a long career on the line, which either speaks for or against him.
But on the other hand, fighting with a huge studio can make other studios be unsure if casting you is a good idea.

WB smearing and burying Ray. Says he won't cooperate. More like Ray won't give in to what they want him to say. They're twisting it on Fisher now. Bridge officially burned.

I mean all he did so far is throw accusations around...nothing really 100% believeable at the moment.
Does he have any footage, audio or anything other than his attacks?
He came forward with accusations and now doesnt want to help with the investigation? Looks kind of bad for him.

If he wants this to be proven, shouldnt he be 100% behind it and fully cooperate?

Just saw that WB response. Pretty clear there won't be any repercussions for Johns, Whedon and Berg now that WB has seemingly turned against Fisher. Just out of sheer curiosity I hope that one day we'll learn what really happened.

Whedons career hit a dent long before that, so there is that.
As for the Rest, yeah it seems unlikely that Johns faces anything not matter if true or not.
The guy is in all of this way too long, that will give him probably some kind of safety net.
But it all comes down to what this investigation and all "finds"...but i doubt we will ever find out the full story.

 

[LifesEnd]

I mean what is he doing even?
A few episodes on tv here and there, thats pretty much it.
So its not like he is putting a long career on the line, which either speaks for or against him.
But on the other hand, fighting with a huge studio can make other studios be unsure if casting you is a good idea.



I mean all he did so far is throw accusations around...nothing really 100% believeable at the moment.
Does he have any footage, audio or anything other than his attacks?
He came forward with accusations and now doesnt want to help with the investigation? Looks kind of bad for him.

If he wants this to be proven, shouldnt he be 100% behind it and fully cooperate?



Whedons career hit a dent long before that, so there is that.
As for the Rest, yeah it seems unlikely that Johns faces anything not matter if true or not.
The guy is in all of this way too long, that will give him probably some kind of safety net.
But it all comes down to what this investigation and all "finds"...but i doubt we will ever find out the full story.

The bit about whedons career hitting a dent.Yea pretty undeniable but he does have a hbo show incoming with a good cast, budget.

I hope Fisher or someone responds and makes clear statement to clear things up asap or I dunno move to the next step

 

[Arachnerd]

 

[TheFuture]

If that's true WB have been really dumb by trying to misrepresent Fisher's interaction with the investigation team.

 

[BlackSuitTrael]

Ray is cooperating, he just wants to be represented and for his people to be included so nothing can be turned back onto him. Obviously, WB already used that move to turned it against him. This is just the beginning.

 

[KalvinEllis]

He isn't covering his tracks well either. How did he know the investigator has been "definitely put on the case by WB, not Warner Media"? Or where his findings would "directly" go to? Let's take Ray's word for it and assume the investigator truly didn't represent Warner Media, how did Ray instantly learn that during their brief Zoom call? The investigator obviously won't be telling him any of that if he wanted to trick him into believing that he was an actual 3rd party investigator. So how did Ray know.