Justice League Ray Fisher - WB Investigation Updates Thread

[kguillou]

I doubt it was Whedon who apologized.

 

[obredaan]

I doubt it was Whedon who apologized.

If Fisher isn't lying about one of the accusers calling him to apologize it would logically be Whedon. Berg and Johns released the Frosty story so I think we can exclude both of them. Berg came out with the Booyah story and we know Johns is the main target in all this. Whedon has stayed silent and Fisher hasn't mentioned Whedon since his initial accusations. It all seems to line up. And despite the hate Whedon gets around here, he has a reputation for being compassionate towards his actors.

 

[Aurakles]

Maybe this will cause problems for the Snyder Cut, maybe it won't. Either way Fisher has made clear "Accountability>Entertainment", that he won't let up for the sake of a movie.

At Justice Con he said the reason he started this when he did is because he had been gathering evidence and talking to witnesses until he felt his hand was strong enough to go forward.

As for Fishers goal, I don't think it's about individuals, but the system that allows bad behaviour and protects those responsible for it. I think he want's to make a positive change in the way the industry operates.
I doubt he expect to lead a complete overhaul of hollywood, but he's doing his bit, moving the the needle as far as he can. These kind of things happen over time, piece by piece, and he's lending his shoulder to the task.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Regarding Whedon... has anyone who worked on him on another project (Avengers, Buffy, Firefly) alleged that he's a tyrant on set or engaged in abusive behavior? I'm not saying that he wasn't a total d*** on set of JL but I always got the impression that his casts loved working with him.

 

[kguillou]

Maybe this will cause problems for the Snyder Cut, maybe it won't. Either way Fisher has made clear "Accountability>Entertainment", that he won't let up for the sake of a movie.

At Justice Con he said the reason he started this when he did is because he had been gathering evidence and talking to witnesses until he felt his hand was strong enough to go forward.

As for Fishers goal, I don't think it's about individuals, but the system that allows bad behaviour and protects those responsible for it. I think he want's to make a positive change in the way the industry operates.
I doubt he expect to lead a complete overhaul of hollywood, but he's doing his bit, moving the the needle as far as he can. These kind of things happen over time, piece by piece, and he's lending his shoulder to the task.

I think in these increasingly cynical times we live in we all often tend to brush these things aside. No one wants to rock the boat, no one wants to be inconvenienced, “this is just the way the world works, adapt or get out.” We’re all so conditioned to live life this way. We see situations like this pop up and our gut reaction is to say “ugh. what does this guy want?!” And sometimes its not something so black and white as “I want x,y and z.” Its about, like you said, starting to make change and upsetting the norm.

But who knows, right? Maybe deep down Fisher really is a scorned actor and this is his internal vindication against Warner Bros for everything thats happened, maybe he’s not as righteous as he appears. Maybe. Or maybe he is. Its a tough call.

 

[Mani-Man]

Regarding Whedon... has anyone who worked on him on another project (Avengers, Buffy, Firefly) alleged that he's a tyrant on set or engaged in abusive behavior? I'm not saying that he wasn't a total d*** on set of JL but I always got the impression that his casts loved working with him.

Yeah, that would interest me too.
Could be that he knows when he cant be an ******* and when he can.
I dont think that the Avengers cast would have let him get away with even a tiny bit of an attitude.

Like i said, maybe it was a hostile environment in general, considering how much the JL cast was behind snyder.
A new guy coming in and telling them what to do, that snyders vision isnt good and stuff...could have lead to a lot of bad blood.

 

[emc5466]

Regarding Whedon... has anyone who worked on him on another project (Avengers, Buffy, Firefly) alleged that he's a tyrant on set or engaged in abusive behavior? I'm not saying that he wasn't a total d*** on set of JL but I always got the impression that his casts loved working with him.

No one has ever accused Whedon of being difficult on set. Charisma Carpenter was written out of the fourth season of Angel because of her pregnancy, that’s the only somewhat questionable aspect of Whedon’s career so far. I think he’s being treated unfairly.

 

[chintai80]

I think in these increasingly cynical times we live in we all often tend to brush these things aside. No one wants to rock the boat, no one wants to be inconvenienced, “this is just the way the world works, adapt or get out.” We’re all so conditioned to live life this way. We see situations like this pop up and our gut reaction is to say “ugh. what does this guy want?!” And sometimes its not something so black and white as “I want x,y and z.” Its about, like you said, starting to make change and upsetting the norm.

But who knows, right? Maybe deep down Fisher really is a scorned actor and this is his internal vindication against Warner Bros for everything thats happened, maybe he’s not as righteous as he appears. Maybe. Or maybe he is. Its a tough call.

it's hard to know the truth.
it's basically a he said, she said situation right now.
gotta wait and see for all this to play out.

though, just from my personal view ( and i am probably biased), it looks more to me that fisher isn't trying to get any personal gain from this.
if he did, he would've kept his mouth shut and never bring any of this up. and took the deal.
i think his acting career is over, but it seems like its something he willingly sacrificed.

but something get very well come out later to prove otherwise. it's all a maybe as you said.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Regarding Whedon... has anyone who worked on him on another project (Avengers, Buffy, Firefly) alleged that he's a tyrant on set or engaged in abusive behavior? I'm not saying that he wasn't a total d*** on set of JL but I always got the impression that his casts loved working with him.

There’s a few stories. There’s the drama surrounding Carpenter and James Marsters has a very odd story about Whedon lashing out at him. Generally speaking Whedon’s cast adores him though, so he clearly isn’t a David O. Russell type. JL was probably nightmare of a process that brought out his mean streak.

I would genuinely love to hear his side of this. We probably never will, but it’d be fascinating.

 

[obredaan]

At Justice Con he said the reason he started this when he did is because he had been gathering evidence and talking to witnesses until he felt his hand was strong enough to go forward.

I'm sorry but I find hard to believe that it took him nearly 3 years to gather enough evidence and witnesses to finally come out with vague accusations.

Regarding Whedon... has anyone who worked on him on another project (Avengers, Buffy, Firefly) alleged that he's a tyrant on set or engaged in abusive behavior? I'm not saying that he wasn't a total d*** on set of JL but I always got the impression that his casts loved working with him.

No accusations of abusive have ever been made. You'll likely hear stories about the Charisma Carpenter situation on Angel, but those are mostly blown out of proportion. A few details that are often left out in that situation was that Charisma breached her contract by hiding her pregnancy from the staff and writers. This caused tension on the set and Charisma was eventually fired. Though she and Whedon have remained friends and the whole thing is water under the bridge according to Charisma.

Whedon has a large cast of actors who have repeatedly worked with him over the past 3 decades which tells me he must be at least reasonable to work with.

 

[MadVillainy]

I'm sorry but I find hard to believe that it took him nearly 3 years to gather enough evidence and witnesses to finally come out with vague accusations.




No accusations of abusive have ever been made. You'll likely hear stories about the Charisma Carpenter situation on Angel, but those are mostly blown out of proportion. A few details that are often left out in that situation was the Charisma breached her contract by hiding her pregnancy from the staff and writers. This caused tension on the set and Charisma was eventually fired. Though she and Whedon have remained friends and the whole thing is water under the bridge according to Charisma.

Whedon has a large cast of actors who have repeatedly worked with him over the past 3 decades which tells me he must be at least reasonable to work with.

That doesn't really mean much. David O Russell has people who repeatedly work with him and he's know to be literally abusive. You hear stories about James Cameron and he's had repeat customers when it comes to talent

 

[Filmfreak]

Regarding Whedon... has anyone who worked on him on another project (Avengers, Buffy, Firefly) alleged that he's a tyrant on set or engaged in abusive behavior? I'm not saying that he wasn't a total d*** on set of JL but I always got the impression that his casts loved working with him.

Outside Charisma Carpenter there were Jeff Pruitt and Sophia Crawford a stunt double couple that accused him of threatening their jobs back in the Buffy days. On the other hand he has people who love working with him and sing his praises. So, I guess, he can be be difficult at times but also pretty easygoing when things go his way. And the Justice League production was a hot mess so I can believe that the former happened there. Though, I don't imagine the cast was very happy and obedient, either.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Yeah, that would interest me too.
Could be that he knows when he cant be an ******* and when he can.
I dont think that the Avengers cast would have let him get away with even a tiny bit of an attitude.

Like i said, maybe it was a hostile environment in general, considering how much the JL cast was behind snyder.
A new guy coming in and telling them what to do, that snyders vision isnt good and stuff...could have lead to a lot of bad blood.

No one has ever accused Whedon of being difficult on set. Charisma Carpenter was written out of the fourth season of Angel because of her pregnancy, that’s the only somewhat questionable aspect of Whedon’s career so far. I think he’s being treated unfairly.

There’s a few stories. There’s the drama surrounding Carpenter and James Marsters has a very odd story about Whedon lashing out at him. Generally speaking Whedon’s cast adores him though, so he clearly isn’t a David O. Russell type. JL was probably nightmare of a process that brought out his mean streak.

I would genuinely love to hear his side of this. We probably never will, but it’d be fascinating.

Thanks, yeah I don't follow Whedon that closely (I was never a Buffy or Firefly fan) but I did follow the Avengers' films fairly closely and it always seemed like the cast of those films adored him. It may have been like you said; the JL environment might have been toxic from the get-go because the cast didn't want Snyder replaced, which could have led to Whedon acting like an A-hole. But it's unclear at this point.

 

[Deck Rickard]

That doesn't really mean much. David O Russell has people who repeatedly work with him and he's know to be ltieralyl abusive. You hear stories about James Cameron and he's had repeat customers when it comes to talent

David O. Russell is a ****ing pig. That story about him groping his niece is disgusting.

 

[chintai80]

david o. russell might make good movies but he needs to get beaten with a sack filled with doorknobs.

 

[obredaan]

That doesn't really mean much. David O Russell has people who repeatedly work with him and he's know to be literally abusive. You hear stories about James Cameron and he's had repeat customers when it comes to talent

Well its as you said, David O. Russel is know to be abusive whereas Whedon is widely considered to be a nice guy.

Someone mentioned the James Marsters situation....you can watch the video for yourselves and come to your own conclusions. The strange encounter that the media reported is discussed around the 42 minute mark.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

It doesn’t mean much but if it were David O. Russell levels of abusive we would’ve been aware of it for years. I know a lot gets swept under the rug but there are normally rumours.

That being said you could be three steps down from how Russell behaves and still be a huge prick to work with.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

david o. russell might make good movies but he needs to get beaten with a sack filled with doorknobs.

David O. Russell is one of my favourite directors and I also hope he never works again.

 

[Aurakles]

I'm sorry but I find hard to believe that it took him nearly 3 years to gather enough evidence and witnesses to finally come out with vague accusations.

I don't think the accusations are vague, only what he's willing to reveal publicly. As he's said repeatedly, he has to be careful because other peoples livelihoods are on the line. Publicly saying "X happened to Y" could lead to Y losing their job.

Having never done something like this, I'm not going to guess how long it would take. Bearing in mind he'll have likely had a lot of dealing with lawyers throughout, that he doesn't have any kind of powers to compel testimony and that he'll have been trying to work and have a life in the meantime, I can believe it'd take years.

If anyone has knowledge of similar circumstances in I'd be interested to compare this to them.

 

[MadVillainy]

Well its as you said, David O. Russel is know to be abusive whereas Whedon is widely considered to be a nice guy.

That's not what we were talking about.
You used "Whedon has a large list of people who work with his repeatedly" as a way to show that he is at least "reasonable" And I'm saying so does/did David O Russell. He has multiple repeat talent on his films. Same with Bryan Singer. Or James Cameron. Or Tom Hardy. (And I'm not talking about some of their off set antics) All of the names I mentioned are known to be combative, contentious, and/or difficult on multiple sets. And yet they still get hired or have people wanting to work with them

Having a list of people repeatedly work for you doesn't really mean much necessarily. Even ***holes have friends. That doesn't mean they're not jerks

 

[chintai80]

david o russell needs both of his kneecaps bashed in with a rusted metal pipe.

 

[MadVillainy]

Welp not sure why I came into this thread and expected it not to get weird, but...

 

[MadVillainy]

On another note and not related to JL at all: I was just on the TV Tropes page looking on hostility on set and I found this:

In turn, Shirley MacLaine and Debra Winger (heavily using cocaine at the time) grew deeply antipathetic to each other very quickly on the set of Terms of Endearment. At one point Winger reportedly pulled down her pants and farted in MacLaine's face.

What a town...

 

[chintai80]

debra winger is a pretty lady but i would not want to smell her farts.
womens farts usually stank more cuz women tend to hold in their farts but that just makes them more potent.

 

[heatvision38]

On another note and not related to JL at all: I was just on the TV Tropes page looking on hostility on set and I found this:


What a town...

I heard that one before. Their beef apparently was legendary.