Superman Returns Re: The Offical Jason Appreciation Thread

[M.O.Steel]

Seriously...what is a true superman fan?

-Is a smallville fan who has never touched a comic book not a superman fan?
-Is someone who watched the original 4 movies religiously but never touched a comic book any less of a fan?
-Is someone who never watched the movies, the shows, and only read the comics really any more of a fan?

Different interpretation--different take.

 

[Mentok]

I have Superman underpants... How many points does that get me

 

[Denny67]

Keep in mind this film is keeping in continuity with the first two films. The simple fact is that Superman and Lois got busy in the Fortress of Solitude in Superman II. Nobody seemed to care much about that and have not cared that much about it for the past 20 years. Now there is a story where there is a child as a result of that union and people are up in arms about it?

The bubble of hypocrisy that most people live in and don’t even realize is staggering.

I agree that form a story perspective it may have not been the best way to go but I find it funny how certain people are trying to project some sort of moral debate over it.

 

[Drago]

Man, a lot of you guys are harsh on this movie- I don't understand how people can like Superman 1 and 2 but dislike this film (especially claiming it doesn't have enough action and it shouldn't be character-driven). As for the kid, we don't know what direction Singer will take it, but there's still good possibilities for story-telling there.

And for the people griping about the comic book fan/movie fan/superman fan stuff, it may not be the stuff you want to hear, but this is a Superman movie, not a Superman comic. I can understand where those people are coming from, but that's just the way it is.

 

[thechubbysaint]

bottom line, people fear change, and thats it.

feared a new actor
feared a new suit
feared a new musical score
feared a new supporting cast
feared a new plot

as was said, if everything was left the same with superman being super boyscout, there would be just as many people bad mouthing it, no matter what superman movie they made, there would be people who would hate it.

No one has a problem with eventual change. It just stinks to make all the changes in the first movie. People want to see some classic post-crisis characterizations first.

Your argument is almost like:
Hey, Lets kill off Lois. That is a change. What, you don't like that change? Why do you fear change?

As for the big boyscout, perfect character complaint, who cares? That is superman, why change him to cater to the minority of the population that hates that?

 

[dabilee01]

Some people have for different reasons. Some actually have for the same reason Superman did.

It doesn't mean Superman was right for not telling her, but it's not out of reality. He isn't perfect.

The problem with a lot of people on this board is that they DO think he is perfect and should be perfect 100% of the time.

don't ask me why...frankly, i find that boring. i'd rather have a superman that we can relate to rather than a perfect god that we can't relate to. perfection is boring. if we can relate to him, we can evoke compassion and sympathy because, hey, superman is just like us and can have the same problems we do even with all his powers. the fact that he's fallible makes him that more interesting.

i don't know. i wrote this at 5:00 am and forgot to post it. now i don't know if it makes any sense.

 

[dabilee01]

Seriously...what is a true superman fan?

-Is a smallville fan who has never touched a comic book not a superman fan?
-Is someone who watched the original 4 movies religiously but never touched a comic book any less of a fan?
-Is someone who never watched the movies, the shows, and only read the comics really any more of a fan?

Different interpretation--different take.

to me, a TRUE superman fan is one who embraces whatever interpretation of the character is presented by the media (whatever media that may be: comics, film, tv shows, etc.).

sure, we may have our qualms with certain interpretations, but bottom line is, we'll support the greater cause, and that cause is superman.

there were certain aspectts of the film that i didn't take to, but, as a TRUE superman fan, i'm not going to gripe and whine about them because i love superman that much.

a TRUE superman fan does not confine himself to only one image of the character but instead allows for the existence of creative differences.

my love for the character is much like the love a parent has for their children. we may not like what our kids do and how they do things sometimes, but at the end of the day, we still love them and accept them no matter what.

a TRUE superman fan has unconditional love for the character.

that's just my opinion.

 

[coast city]

I'm so sick of the "Superman is a homewrecker" B.S. It's a movie people, and this is 2006. It's not like Superman is leaving little Krypto-babies all over the globe. He had relations with a woman he loved, things got complicated and he left not knowing there would be consequences. His character arc in this movie is learning that being a hero is more than just saving the day, it's being "around". To me the great crux of the Superman character is the push and pull between fulfilling his role as a savior from another world and his desire to be one of us. Superman STM, 2, and SR all captured this theme perfectly. The kid idea is a great way of continuing this storyline that technically began in 1978. We don't know where it will go, and frankly I think Singer has something twisty up his sleeve; but for now - great movie and to me the kid was one of the highlights of the film/

 

[thechubbysaint]

I'd rather see a Superman trying to deal with not being able to save everybody and not being perfect than to go into the personal life.

 

[JTIZZLEVILLE]

I freaking hate fanboys.

Listen to yourselves. You are claiming this movie as a failure because Superman finally got him some LL tail....something that you virgins probably havn't gotten.

Get a life guys. The world isn't going to end because everything didn't go YOUR way.

 

[qstorm]

Has anyone stopped to think that maybe Superman didn't reveal that he's the father because he doesn't want to break up the relationship between the boy, Lois and Richard. He realizes that Jason may be ostracized and hounded if it's revealed as well. He realizes that it would damage Lois's relationship with Richard. So Superman makes a HUGE sacrifice i.e. having a relationship with his son who is like him; Superman is no longer a unique and lonely individual and could've chosen to reveal it and have a relationship with someone like him for once. But he doesn't out of the best interests of the child.

Of course, at some point as the child matures, it will become an issue.

Having said all that, I didn't like the whole child issue. I questioned it before knowing it was Superman's and decided, well I guess that could be an interesting dynamic. But I groaned when the kid threw the piano across the room. No!

 

[bosef982]

I love how people apply conservative religous thought to Superman. First and foremost, Superman's an alien in this world, which pretty much renders a lot of the Biblical stuff in serious question and would totally rob anyone in Superman's world of the morality of the Bible since the Bible would be render highly moot via Krypton's existence. Add to that, that Superman's an alien, and even if the Bible were too hold true, we cannot say that Superman is neccessarily bound by this.

 

[Monstera]

LOL. Since when does fighting for "Truth, Justice and the American Way" have anything to do with not having sex with someone you love? His name isn't Super-Catholic. Jesus Christ, folks. I realize some of you have an axe to grind with this movie, and the complaint pickings are slim, but goddamn this is bottom-of-the-barrel nitpicking. "Out of wed lock." LOL, this forum gets more absurd every day. Why some of you put so much effort into re-iterating how you didn't like this movie day after day is beyond me.

 

[Spare-Flair]

Look at it this way, Superman knocked her up and never called for 5 years! What good is it for him to "never lie" if he does things like that?

 

[skruloos]

The way I figure it is this: take a normal good guy. He was a boyscout growing up. He is in love with his girlfriend. He has sex with the woman he loves. Shortly thereafter, a war hits and he joins the military. He leaves. While he is gone, his girlfriend finds out she is pregnant.

I don't see this guy as all that irresponsible. Sure, he could have practiced safer sex or he could do like all the conservatives think and have just abstained like a monk all his life. Eith way, I don't think that makes him a deadbeat dad.

 

[ScrnNmsSuck]

Look at it this way, Superman knocked her up and never called for 5 years! What good is it for him to "never lie" if he does things like that?

 

[skruloos]

Look at it this way, Superman knocked her up and never called for 5 years! What good is it for him to "never lie" if he does things like that?

A) He didn't know she was pregnant.
B) I'm sure the cell phone coverage is wonderful out in the deepest reaches of space.

 

[DorkyFresh]

bottom line, people fear change, and thats it.

feared a new actor
feared a new suit
feared a new musical score
feared a new supporting cast
feared a new plot

as was said, if everything was left the same with superman being super boyscout, there would be just as many people bad mouthing it, no matter what superman movie they made, there would be people who would hate it.

smartest post on this thread. i love how people are using the 'boyscout' excuse to battle Superman changing. no character will stay the same forever....not even Superman.

 

[Desk]

Once again, people are conflating the responsibilities of a fictional character and the responsibilities of real-life screenwriters.

Superman himself may be utterly blameless for the position he finds himself in, but it's an ignoble, embarassing and inapppropriate position for the character all the same.

Imagine that the next Batman film features a running joke where The Dark Knight continually finds himself covered in cow manure through no fault of his own. It's not the character's fault - it's the fault of the writers for putting him in this position.

The same is the case with Superman, who has now been written into a corner as an absentee father to an illegitimate kid.

 

[skruloos]

Once again, people are conflating the responsibilities of a fictional character and the responsibilities of real-life screenwriters.

Superman himself may be utterly blameless for the position he finds himself in, but it's an ignoble, embarassing and inapppropriate position for the character all the same.

Imagine that the next Batman film features a running joke where The Dark Knight continually finds himself covered in cow manure through no fault of his own. It's not the character's fault - it's the fault of the writers for putting him in this position.

The same is the case with Superman, who has now been written into a corner as an absentee father to an illegitimate kid.

Nah. It's the audiences fault for being stuck in a '50's Conservative mentality.

 

[Morgoth]

1. It my sound old fashion (but hey thats me) But some how superman having a kid out of wed lock (and the rest that goes with that) doesn't sound right.........It doesn't fit with his high level of morality...

I am so sick of these threads, he didn't even know he had a kid. So get over it. And he may have high morals but that is no big deal, by the way it's not 1904 anymore.

People view Superman as too much of a boy scout but he's not a geek. Get over it.

 

[Desk]

Nah. It's the audiences fault for being stuck in a '50's Conservative mentality.

I'm sorry, but I think you mean "it's the audiences fault for having expectations of a way a character should be portrayed on the basis of almost 70 years of consistent depiction in an array of different mediums"?

 

[Desk]

I am so sick of these threads, he didn't even know he had a kid. So get over it. And he may have high morals but that is no big deal, by the way it's not 1904 anymore.

People view Superman as too much of a boy scout but he's not a geek. Get over it.

Yeah, fathering illegitimate kids you don't have any involvement with for the first five years of their lives is cool, people!

Get with it!

 

[SatEL]

Look at it this way, Superman knocked her up and never called for 5 years! What good is it for him to "never lie" if he does things like that?

Excatly i mean WTF and the fact she doesnt no his clark kent means he slept without telling her his secret and well that doesnt seem very superman like its sort of devious in a way.I mean alright fair enough superman wants to get laid good on you supes but to give one to lois and then not tell her who he his i mean even normal guys let girls in on secrets before the sleep together.

 

[skruloos]

I'm sorry, but I think you mean "it's the audiences fault for having expectations of a way a character should be portrayed on the basis of almost 70 years of consistent depiction in an array of different mediums"?

No. I meant what I said. It's the audiences fault for being stuck in the '50's.