Superman Returns Re: The Offical Jason Appreciation Thread

[LostSon88]

Not to Superman! I mean, this totally makes Superman a complete hypocrite if he makes a speech about planned parenting! (which is exactly is something typical for what this Superman would do in his public statements)

This is confusing?

I mean you've got those one set of fans who complainin about how boring the "perfect" Superman was, the one who always did what was right regardless...the "boy scout".

For most non-fans, this is also part of the reason why some people can't stand the Man of Steel, because he is too 'goody goody'.

Then you've got those fans who are complaining that he isn't acting like the perfect boyscout and that he's not living up to the morals and ideals that he's stood for for 60+ years.

Times have changed, as has the Superman character himself. As demonstrated in Superman Returns, the modern comics, SV and even JLU, Superman is NOT perfect. (Hell, even the whole turning back time in Superman 78' to save Lois was iffy)

Clark Kent is just as flawed as the rest of us, however he still tries he his best to be the most virturous man on the planet in an attempt to inspire others to do good. Does he succeed? Maybe, but he sure is trying.

IMO, a flawed Superman is much more realistic and interesting than the PERFECT Boy Scout.

If he were perfect, what would be the point? Where's the conflict?

 

[SFII]

well it's not like Superman would break the forbidden laws of spinning the world backwards just to reverse Lois Lane's death!
come on, Superman is not perfect. and he's not Jesus Christ.

besides let's not forget, it was also his choice to give up his powers just to be with Lois Lane. and thus, they made love, unsuspecting that there would be 3 evil supervillains from the Phantom Zone trying to take over the world.
so Superman had a change of plans, and realized he ****'d up and luckily was able to get his powers back.
and subsequently, in the mix of it all, he had a child out of wed lock!
and before he knew he had a kid, he was already down in the dumps for the mistakes he's made, and went soul-searching for Krypton!

so.. Superman's always thought with his penis over his mind, when it comes to Lois Lane. she's always to blame! lol

 

[Bug-Eyes]

SUPERMAN SHOULDN't BE REALISTICE, Superman should be like the rest of use and there is one reason and one reason only why this is true, you want to know why, because Superman is Superman......if you want a flawed hero check out the guy dressed up like a bat.

You have the unreal (i.e Superman) in the real (i.e our world)

 

[LostSon88]

Superman IS a flawed hero...been flawed since the first movies.

-Turned back time to save Lois Lane's life.
-Gave up his powers to be with Lois.
-Took revenge on that trucker that beat his a** earlier. (Superman taking revenge? Hmm...not very virtuosis IMO)

The difference with him however is that he is a hero who on the outside (i.e. to the public) is the perfect boy scout...when in reality (comic reality), he is just as human as the rest of us. Same flaws, same doubts, etc.

 

[Spare-Flair]

This is confusing?

I mean you've got those one set of fans who complainin about how boring the "perfect" Superman was, the one who always did what was right regardless...the "boy scout".

For most non-fans, this is also part of the reason why some people can't stand the Man of Steel, because he is too 'goody goody'.

Then you've got those fans who are complaining that he isn't acting like the perfect boyscout and that he's not living up to the morals and ideals that he's stood for for 60+ years.

Times have changed, as has the Superman character himself. As demonstrated in Superman Returns, the modern comics, SV and even JLU, Superman is NOT perfect. (Hell, even the whole turning back time in Superman 78' to save Lois was iffy)

Clark Kent is just as flawed as the rest of us, however he still tries he his best to be the most virturous man on the planet in an attempt to inspire others to do good. Does he succeed? Maybe, but he sure is trying.

IMO, a flawed Superman is much more realistic and interesting than the PERFECT Boy Scout.

If he were perfect, what would be the point? Where's the conflict?

Flawed Superman does not mean - unsafe sex and reckless abandon of your girlfriend without thinking about the consequences. That's an extreme. Superman has to be a boyscout, a nice guy at heart (as Batman says), a noble individual who was guided by his upbringing on the farm and his formative years travelling the world.

Superman is by no means perfect, he is a lonely, alienated person who cannot confide his secret to his friends and those he loves. He's an impefect being who has enourmous responsibilities hoisted upon his shoulders but he's strong enough to carry them. But Superman cannot be a hypocrite and he cannot be so utterly absent minded and irresponsibile. He's supposed to be the most intelligent being on the planet for gosh sakes.

Fictional Situation-
Parents (uncomfortable): Son, I know that you love your girlfriend and are at that age, but you should be careful...

Son: "But Superman wasn't! Jason was an accident!"

Okay that was ridiculous, but that's my point.

 

[Bug-Eyes]

Superman IS a flawed hero...been flawed since the first movies.

-Turned back time to save Lois Lane's life.
-Gave up his powers to be with Lois.
-Took revenge on that trucker that beat his a** earlier. (Superman taking revenge? Hmm...not very virtuosis IMO)

The difference with him however is that he is a hero who on the outside (i.e. to the public) is the perfect boy scout...when in reality (comic reality), he is just as human as the rest of us. Same flaws, same doubts, etc.

He still shouldnt have had a kid out of wed lock.......

 

[kal-el2006]

i cant believe this is THAT serious

 

[LostSon88]

Well yeah, if you put it that way, I guess I can concede that givin' Supes a kid outta wedlocks a tad extreme.

But then again, I don't put that against him as much as some other fans might.

 

[SFII]

you're all acting like a bunch of Lois Lanes! (the new Lois Lane, atleast )

 

[LostSon88]

Hey!

 

[LongshotRules]

While I concede that Superman isn't a perfect being, he's not supposed to be a flawed character who makes common mistakes. Superman sets himself apart from others by never lie, always ready to help without question, never kill, and never vengeful. SR even shows that he can kill a person, although indirectly, and not being responsible for a kid he fathered out of wedlock. I would hope that for the sequel Singer won't have Supe committing more indecent acts. In the attempt to humanize him Singer has instead taken everything that's good and decent about Man of Steel. Such a shame.

 

[Eteric]

Superman doesn't mess up? I have one website for you, my friends.

www.superdickery.com

He has a kid in some of those comic books, actually.

 

[prins777]

Here is my problem, the only way the movie works on a logical level is if Supes made love to Lois as Supes without revealing his true identity. That seems wrong to me. When he puts on the suit, it's time for being a hero. I don't like the idea of Supes slipping out of the suit to make love with Lois. Also, his explaination of why he couldn't tell her he was leaving is complete BS. Let's see how it could have gone -"Hey Lois, some scientist think they may have discovered Krypton, I need to go to check it out. Unfortuneately it means I will have to be gone for a while."

 

[Eteric]

Here is my problem, the only way the movie works on a logical level is if Supes made love to Lois as Supes without revealing his true identity. That seems wrong to me. When he puts on the suit, it's time for being a hero. I don't like the idea of Supes slipping out of the suit to make love with Lois. Also, his explaination of why he couldn't tell her he was leaving is complete BS. Let's see how it could have gone -"Hey Lois, some scientist think they may have discovered Krypton, I need to go to check it out. Unfortuneately it means I will have to be gone for a while."

Actually, it's a lot harder than that. I had to say goodbye to my friends when Katrina hit.

 

[prins777]

Actually, it's a lot harder than that. I had to say goodbye to my friends when Katrina hit.

But would you have just left for 5 years without saying one word to the people you love.

 

[Eteric]

But would you have just left for 5 years without saying one word to the people you love.

Some people have for different reasons. Some actually have for the same reason Superman did.

It doesn't mean Superman was right for not telling her, but it's not out of reality. He isn't perfect.

 

[Xybalba69]

ok,...lets settle this the easy way out,...in the sequel lets have Brianiac, Lex or the villain, whoever he is...KILL Jason...then...Superman giving him the beat of his life to the villain fot killing his child...then Lex getting in the mix with some Kriptonite and then lets have Richard, come help our hero from the k-effect having him getting killed in the process too....

then lets have Lois, all mournful get a transfer to another state,..leaving that way...Superman,...alone and ready to give us another sequel full of action instead of romance and drama and all this bs that had this one...

easy...not ??

 

[Eteric]

ok,...lets settle this the easy way out,...in the sequel lets have Brianiac, Lex or the villain, whoever he is...KILL Jason...then...Superman giving him the beat of his life to the villain fot killing his child...then Lex getting in the mix with some Kriptonite and then lets have Richard, come help our hero from the k-effect having him getting killed in the process too....

then lets have Lois, all mournful get a transfer to another state,..leaving that way...Superman,...alone and ready to give us another sequel full of action instead of romance and drama and all this bs that had this one...

easy...not ??

So, basically, you want to pull an X-3 and kill everyone?

Got ya.

 

[scruffy]

Here's a cute interview Tristan did with KTLA. He seems to like Johnny Depp. Is only six years old and like the other SR actors, signed for 3 picture deal.
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=32D8E06F345053EE

 

[kal-el2006]

yes! more jason !

 

[charl_huntress]

I still love the kid. That is the one thing that gets no complaint. I hope to see him in the sequel. I just hope the love triangle bit is eliminated by Richard's White's early death in the next movie. He is a huge distraction.

 

[Evelisse]

bottom line, people fear change, and thats it.

feared a new actor
feared a new suit
feared a new musical score
feared a new supporting cast
feared a new plot

as was said, if everything was left the same with superman being super boyscout, there would be just as many people bad mouthing it, no matter what superman movie they made, there would be people who would hate it.

 

[ScrnNmsSuck]

But hey these fine points of fact do not sit well with TRUE superman fans.....

SO if you like this Movie your not a true Superman Fan ?

LMFAO stupidest thing I have ever heard

 

[danoyse]

First of all, I think the reason Superman might not have been such an easy sell this weekend is because he's too much of a boy scout. He's not as dark and full of angst as Batman or any of the X-Men. He's not a geek who ended up with powers like Spiderman.

This movie gave him that little bit of an edge, but still let him redeem himself and stay the boy scout, which worked.

Think about it...Superman just up and left. He didn't say goodbye, he left Lois alone and pregnant (without knowing it), and because he was gone Lex Luthor got out of jail.

He came back somehow thinking the world wouldn't change at all while he'd been gone. It had, and there were reprecussions.

He took care Lex (for now)...and as far as Jason, he will take care of him as well. Superman learned a valuable lesson in this film.

 

[SatEL]

1. It my sound old fashion (but hey thats me) But some how superman having a kid out of wed lock (and the rest that goes with that) doesn't sound right.........It doesn't fit with his high level of morality...

I agree with you then again i am strongly against the idea of the kid i just hate that idea and well the title last son of krypton seems to have gone out the window. I dont care if Jason is only 50% kryptonian or 1% the fact is he has powers and with him been around it doesnt leave supes so unique anymore.

Also i keep having flashes a few years into the future the last and final film were we see Jason wearing the suit and flying of to save someone perhaps that idea is far fetched i certainly hope so.