recasting Bats and Supes: good idea or bad idea?

[Nokio]

i dont want bale and routh in that bad JLA movie.

but it would be a dream to have routh as superman and bale as batman in one GOOD movie.

No evidence has been put forth that the JLA film is heading in the wrong direction. No director has been confirmed and we've heard nothing negative so far save that the film is being fast tracked and the rumblings from Bale's arrogent @ss. I can see if they announced that Akiva Goldsman and Joel Schumacher were the creativr team with Jon Peters producing, but they didn't. Now I dont have a ton of faith in WB, but I think the JLA is going to be the CGI movie that's been rumored. I didn't understand why the guy that did Happy Feet was on board to direct, but it makes sense if true. I'm going to withhold my negatives until i hear more.

 

[Two-Face]

I voted Yes because I don't want Bale & Routh in the JLA movie but I could see them doing Batman vs Superman movie.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I voted Yes because I don't want Bale & Routh in the JLA movie but I could see them doing Batman vs Superman movie.

If a JLA comes first I don't really see the point of doing that... unless JLA bombs completely while the solos remain successful... but they will have already established the "greater universe" in a JLA... I just doubt WB will pay Bale and Spacey that kind of money by 2014 to make that movie... both will easily demand 20+ million... I think its worth it but now that we are getting a JLA it seems highly unlikely.

 

[The Squirrel]

I really don't care either way.

 

[Ring Deacon]

I don't know. It all depends on who they cast, and if they are writen to be like they are in their solo movies. If it isn't the Batma from Nolan's universe or the Superman from the Donnor/Singer universe then recasting makes sense. But if you mention events from their movies then it could be a mistake. Then again we had 3 different Batmans in the Burton/Schumacher universe. That worked ok till Clooney's movie.

I say lets just wait and see. With the way they are planing to film it we could have a dream cast for it. And that would be awesome.

 

[Weadazoid]

The EB are taking a huge Risk IMO, and could potencialy hurt the Singer Superman and Nolan Batman franchises.


Sya the rummors are ture and we get Welling as Superman...mught as well call this thing Smallville the motion picture.


Fans who liked the grittyness of nolan may see Batman and because they aint informed go along for the ride


then....see a movie with new camp and new chease, even if it is well done it won't be as dark as nOLANS bATMAN THEN THEY GIVE UP ON nOLANS NEW SEIRES BECAUSE OF THIS

 

[Ring Deacon]

The EB are taking a huge Risk IMO, and could potencialy hurt the Singer Superman and Nolan Batman franchises.


Sya the rummors are ture and we get Welling as Superman...mught as well call this thing Smallville the motion picture.


Fans who liked the grittyness of nolan may see Batman and because they aint informed go along for the ride


then....see a movie with new camp and new chease, even if it is well done it won't be as dark as nOLANS bATMAN THEN THEY GIVE UP ON nOLANS NEW SEIRES BECAUSE OF THIS

You are reading way to much into this. We all are. Just wait and see. Those who have seen the script say it is awesome, and that fans will love it. Trust that WB will give us what we want. This will not be a movie for the general public as much as it will be for the fans. But even the general public knows who the JLA is. This movie could be an epic in the making.

 

[Lobo]

I'd prefer to wait for JLA and they use Bale and Routh

 

[strikezone89]

Neither of them has been so good in his role that I can't see anyone else in the role. Recasting could work.

wtF? Bale has been the best batman to date.

 

[Nokio]

The EB are taking a huge Risk IMO, and could potencialy hurt the Singer Superman and Nolan Batman franchises.


Sya the rummors are ture and we get Welling as Superman...mught as well call this thing Smallville the motion picture.

Could care less about Singer's version of superman. I liked Routh as Supes, but Singer sucked all the Testosterone out of the movie.

Welling as supes in a live action JLA would be cool, considering the different heroes that have been showing up on Smallville. I could actually see it working if WB put up the budget and make sure the script is tight.

 

[Billy Batson]

wtF? Bale has been the best batman to date.

Michael Keaton was pretty good as well.

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Body of The Bat ^

 

[Penismightier]

^ That's going to be in some of my nightmares.

 

[raybia]

Your poll is incomplete. Routh should be cast as Superman. Batman shouldn't be in it at all and the movie shouldn't made until The Man of Steel and The Dark Knight has been released.

This is the most stupid idea that WB has ever done. This will backfire and backfire horrible. Stupid Fs Execs.

 

[turtlefocker]

Nah, Routh and Bale for JLA!!!!

Id also take "Routh should be cast as Superman. Batman shouldn't be in it at all and the movie shouldn't made until The Man of Steel and The Dark Knight has been released."

 

[DeaDheaD]

Where's the "hold off JLA untill after BM3 or WB can go eff themselves" option???

 

[turtlefocker]

I'm okay with Welling as Supes but I dont want hem recasting Bale.

 

[raybia]

exactly, thank you, sorry im a big fan of both of em in their roles but they arent the PERFECT choices that no one else can take on the role

Thats not the issue. The issue is that they are casting for these characters while there is already two actors playing them.

Think of it like this. While Spielberg is making the new Indy movie, Paramount decides to green light a new movie starring the Indy character with a new actor and director.

Or how about while Iron Man is currently being made, Marvel announces a new Avengers movie feature Iron Man but they are going to recast a new actor.

If I was Nolan I would be pissed. This potentially sabotages his current movie and the third. Let say for argument sake that a new actor is featured to play Batman and the script absolutely nails this new characterization and this actor nails the role and this Batman out bats Nolan's version.

Now does Nolan alter his vision of Batman to appease moviegoers or stick to his guns and have the audience be disappointed that his Batman is not like the Justice League version and as a result the box office suffers?

WB is wrong to do a movie with a competing version of Batman with Nolan's. They should wait to feature Batman until Nolan has completed his trilogy.

If they do it, I hope it crashes and burns horrible and I will not see this movie at the theaters. Thats a promise.

By the way, I'm not so upset when it comes to Superman as I thought Superman Returns sucks, though Brandon Routh has kind of grown on me. I feel bad for him. If the Justice League Superman is a hit, take my word that WB will want to do a solo movie with the new actor, and Routh will be the odd man out.

Watch.

 

[Speedball]

Worst Idea in the history of Ideas.

 

[ClarkLuther55]

Thats not the issue. The issue is that they are casting for these characters while there is already two actors playing them.

Think of it like this. While Spielberg is making the new Indy movie, Paramount decides to green light a new movie starring the Indy character with a new actor and director.

Or how about while Iron Man is currently being made, Marvel announces a new Avengers movie feature Iron Man but they are going to recast a new actor.

If I was Nolan I would be pissed. This potentially sabotages his current movie and the third. Let say for argument sake that a new actor is featured to play Batman and the script absolutely nails this new characterization and this actor nails the role and this Batman out bats Nolan's version.

Now does Nolan alter his vision of Batman to appease moviegoers or stick to his guns and have the audience be disappointed that his Batman is not like the Justice League version and as a result the box office suffers?

WB is wrong to do a movie with a competing version of Batman with Nolan's. They should wait to feature Batman until Nolan has completed his trilogy.

Good points. But rather than being concerned about this movie out-batting Nolan's Batman, I'm more worried about the JLA version of Batman totally SUCKING. Things like the rumors about Superman and Batman being written "younger" do not instill confidence in me, nor does the apparent rush job that the WB is doing with this movie's production. How do you go younger than Batman Begins Batman, who was basically a Year One portrayal with Bruce in his 20s? I suspect they want a "cool," "hip," and wisecracking Batman played by some youthful-looking guy in his 20s, to appeal to the kids and teenagers.

If JLA Batman sucks, then that can unfairly harm Nolan's trilogy.

 

[jjlover82]

I think that they shouldn't even really make a JLA movie until all the characters have been introduced with their own big screen film. Seeing Routh and Bale together would have been pretty sweet though.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I don't know. It all depends on who they cast, and if they are writen to be like they are in their solo movies. If it isn't the Batma from Nolan's universe or the Superman from the Donnor/Singer universe then recasting makes sense. But if you mention events from their movies then it could be a mistake. Then again we had 3 different Batmans in the Burton/Schumacher universe. That worked ok till Clooney's movie.

I say lets just wait and see. With the way they are planing to film it we could have a dream cast for it. And that would be awesome.

But you can't have two separate universes with the same characters at the same time in live action films... it has never been done before for good reason. If they ditch Routh and go with Wellings its okay.... but then they would have to scrap Nolan's movies as well... but TDK is coming out next year no? It's too late to go with a new Bat... Bale is the established Batman as of now... I will be completely stunned if WB doesn't write out Batman in a JLA...

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

Im guessing WB is placing more effert into the solo franchises,its all about money.Not giving the fans what they want,thats why Bale and Routh are staying in their solo roles.The JLA movie won't feel authentic now..

 

[Darabka]

All I want to say is that Warner is rushing this movie, because they are freaking scared of the Avengers movie in the future. They say,"Oh yeah lets just make either a crappy recast live action movie, or lets do a CGI movie, where the actors look like crappy action figures, (couse we cant afford better effects. Cause if we could afford them then we might just give the actors more money, so they would play the part) before marvel gets there avengers movie out where all actors will be the same!

I am sorry, but Warner is just panicking. They should first make a GL (He should be the Next Project), WW (They should keep it in greek mythology, and keep the WW2 stuff for a sequel), Flash and hell forbid an Aquaman movie (It could be made like the recent more fantasy oriented Aquaman comics). And off course a better Superman Movie (Returns was okay, but it could have used way more action). Atleast they did Batman right this time. And after all those movies a Worlds Finest movie then a JLA movie.
Altough personally I think they should make a Lobo movie that would fraggin awsome! (But they wont)

I do understand that Warner cant make three DC movies a year, like there are three marvel movies each year (couse the movie right are in different hands). But at least they could try harder to get atleast something done , grrrrrrrrrr, evil Warner. And when they do anything, even animated, its ALWAYS SUPES or BATS. Now dont get me wrong I love them both to death, but COME ON! They both had somany series and movies made based on them (ranging from awfull to awsome in quality), that its unfair towards them. Now they are making like marvel animated straight to DVD fetures like marvel, but WOW from what SUPERMANS DEATH! What Genius (dripping from sarcasm) had the Idea to make that? It may be good, but when are GL and co get theyre Solo projects.

And why the Hell is Joel Silver making SPEED FRAGGIN RACER instead of Wonder Woman. Who cares about some crappy anime show? (Sorry to all Devoted Speed Racer Fans, dont take it personall, DC, Warner are making me say these things). And what about Flash? Oh yeah right also back in Development Hell (If there is any Development). And a Green Lantern Flick? Yeah sure say the Producers, lets make it a "zany" comedy with Jack Black (Thank God that wont happen). Or the upcoming "Shazam" movie, what is going to be a family friendly politicly correct comedy (I reeeeeaaallly hope not) DC needs a guy like Avy Arad to bring them out of this Crap.

Sorry to complaign so much, I just had to get this out of my system. A CGI JLA movie would have the advantige, that they wouldnt have virtually any much limitations, what a live action movie would have. And recasting would be more realistic. Those actors are bunch of spoiled snobs, who dont care for fans. Maybe Unknown actors could change this. Or just dont have bats and supes (but that would be like "classic" avengers without Cap and Iron man), just imply them. I am just angry because they teased us. When they mentioned Gotham in Returns, the I thought there might be hope. When they said "dont be suprised to see Routh in JL before Supes MOS", or when Ryan Renolds said he might be up for Flash in JLA. But time will tell, there is always hope, and maybe the CGI movie will Spawn Life action movies, who knows. Sorry again for writing so much, I just wished Warner would be smarter with there Franchises. I hope you can forgive an old DC fan t:.

PS: Yeah, Welling would suck, cause Smallville sucks!

 

[Nokio]

All I want to say is that Warner is rushing this movie, because they are freaking scared of the Avengers movie in the future. They say,"Oh yeah lets just make either a crappy recast live action movie, or lets do a CGI movie, where the actors look like crappy action figures, (couse we cant afford better effects. Cause if we could afford them then we might just give the actors more money, so they would play the part) before marvel gets there avengers movie out where all actors will be the same!

I am sorry, but Warner is just panicking. They should first make a GL (He should be the Next Project), WW (They should keep it in greek mythology, and keep the WW2 stuff for a sequel), Flash and hell forbid an Aquaman movie (It could be made like the recent more fantasy oriented Aquaman comics). And off course a better Superman Movie (Returns was okay, but it could have used way more action). Atleast they did Batman right this time. And after all those movies a Worlds Finest movie then a JLA movie.
Altough personally I think they should make a Lobo movie that would fraggin awsome! (But they wont)

I do understand that Warner cant make three DC movies a year, like there are three marvel movies each year (couse the movie right are in different hands). But at least they could try harder to get atleast something done , grrrrrrrrrr, evil Warner. And when they do anything, even animated, its ALWAYS SUPES or BATS. Now dont get me wrong I love them both to death, but COME ON! They both had somany series and movies made based on them (ranging from awfull to awsome in quality), that its unfair towards them. Now they are making like marvel animated straight to DVD fetures like marvel, but WOW from what SUPERMANS DEATH! What Genius (dripping from sarcasm) had the Idea to make that? It may be good, but when are GL and co get theyre Solo projects.

Sorry to complaign so much, I just had to get this out of my system. A CGI JLA movie would have the advantige, that they wouldnt have virtually any much limitations, what a live action movie would have. And recasting would be more realistic. Those actors are bunch of spoiled snobs, who dont care for fans. Maybe Unknown actors could change this. Or just dont have bats and supes (but that would be like "classic" avengers without Cap and Iron man), just imply them. I am just angry because they teased us. When they mentioned Gotham in Returns, the I thought there might be hope. When they said "dont be suprised to see Routh in JL before Supes MOS", or when Ryan Renolds said he might be up for Flash in JLA. But time will tell, there is always hope, and maybe the CGI movie will Spawn Life action movies, who knows. Sorry again for writing so much, I just wished Warner would be smarter with there Franchises. I hope you can forgive an old DC fan t:.

PS: Yeah, Welling would suck, cause Smallville sucks!

Couldn't disagree with you more. WB isn't scared of an Avengers movie, because for one We don't even know what characters can be used in the a live action film because Marvel sold their characters out to different studios. Also why in the world would you funnel at the least 80 million to do a solo movie of GL, WW, Aquaman, The Flash and maybe the Martian man Hunter? None of these solo films can be done for a cheaper budget and be done justice fx wise. Also these characters aren't popular enough that WB will take a risk and put down a 100 mil to get it into theaters, save for WW. I think they'll do it if the JLA flick is a huge hit, but not before.

Also considering the amounts SR and BR cost, and their return wasn't the best, Wb is skeptical. SR had a budget of 200-250 mil, but only grossed 200 mil domestically, while BR had a budget of like 150 mil probably more and that made just a little over 200 mil domestically.

It also hasn't been a 100 percent confirmed that the JLA film will be motion capture/cgi, if one even gets made.

I for one don't mind Welling as Supes. He's a capable enough actor. i also like Routh, and don't understand why Wb wouldn't use him considering his career didn't take off. I really don't care much about Bale. He was a good batman, butthe man is not a big star in my opinion. He's a good actor but to many is giving this man to much power and popularity. I bet you'll get more people on the street who have no idea who bale is then you would who do, and talking without making any refernces tp BR, and what ever other non memorable films he's been in.

All this is really moot and to much speculation is going on, so until I hear some confirmed news, I'll just hold off judgement.

 

[Ring Deacon]

But you can't have two separate universes with the same characters at the same time in live action films... it has never been done before for good reason. If they ditch Routh and go with Wellings its okay.... but then they would have to scrap Nolan's movies as well... but TDK is coming out next year no? It's too late to go with a new Bat... Bale is the established Batman as of now... I will be completely stunned if WB doesn't write out Batman in a JLA...

Just because it has never been done doesn't mean you can't do it. If anything you should do it just for the fact it has never been done before. Well we shouldn't say never. Batman Mask of the Phantasm and the live action Batman were two universes and it worked. Yeah it was a cartoon but it was still a movie Batman. Or how about Batman 66 compaired to Batman 89? Or Batman 89 and Batman Begins? Same character different universes. It will be ok trust me.

I find it funny that everyone wants Bale in JLA as Batman, but the same people say Bale's Batman wouldn't fit into a movie with Superman because they are different universes. To me it seems like WB agrees with you, and is giving us Batman as we love him in his solo movies and Batman as we love him in JLA.

Really you have to know if it is a Mo-Cap movie like Beowulf, then we are in for a treat. You can literally have a dream cast at a fraction of the cost. And age wouldn't be a issue either just look at Ray Winston and how they did him up in Beowulf. You'd never know he wasn't in his 30s. This movie will be a blockbuster.