Rememebr the talk about a Cell distributed Computing network way back when?

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Well here it is:

Means nothign to gamers though.

Jonsend said:
Seems this is deserving of its own thread, the PS3 is going to be able to run the Folding@Home distributed computing thingy and it will be called the Cure@PS3 project.
Via Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/23/playstation-3-to-join-folding-home-for-cure-ps3/

Official Site/FAQ:
http://folding.stanford.edu/FAQ-PS3.html

Movie:
http://folding.stanford.edu/bench_ddsa_2spu_test02.avi

abeta-PS3.jpg
 
Wait..........
Are they creating a new species?
IS SONY PLAYING GOD!!!










Nah....
Or are they?*raises eyebrow*
 
Just skimming that, that is either a really cost ineffective way to buy performance you could get elsewhere from just bare-boards with SPARC core's networked together, or they're asking people to leave their PS3's online and "donate" unused computational power to the project, which is so unrealistic and incovenient that it boggles the mind. Either way, I would expect to see the CELL chip actually take a huge chunk out of the distributed computing grid market, as this is one of the few things that it excells at.
 
THWIP* said:
SO WHY EXACTLY DID YOU POST THIS HERE? :confused:

That's quite ironic considering Zenien's obsession in arguing with people about posting things in their appropriate forums. :down::confused:
 
The PS3 is Skynet!!! The machines will rise and Terminate us ALL!!!!
So they would like to leech off my PS3? @#$% them... I don't want people tinkering with my $600 gaming apparatus...
 
That's the stupidest thing ever.

Developers would not be able to safely take advantage of what little extra that might provide for the reason of free choice. But even if everyone DID leave their PS3s on all the time (fire alarm), the bandwidth would not be fast enough to make this work.

This is the stupidest thing ever.
 
WhatsHisFace said:
That's the stupidest thing ever.

Developers would not be able to safely take advantage of what little extra that might provide for the reason of free choice. But even if everyone DID leave their PS3s on all the time (fire alarm), the bandwidth would not be fast enough to make this work.

This is the stupidest thing ever.
It's not for games, it's for a grid computing network, like what google or sun microsystems has set up, just using PS3s, which is really cost ineffective, since you could get comparable performance out of the latest SPARC designs from Sun, and probably pay less than $600 for each board.
 
Fenrir said:
That's quite ironic considering Zenien's obsession in arguing with people about posting things in their appropriate forums. :down::confused:


ZING,BABY! :eek: :D:up:
 
Manny Calavera said:
It's not for games, it's for a grid computing network, like what google or sun microsystems has set up, just using PS3s, which is really cost ineffective, since you could get comparable performance out of the latest SPARC designs from Sun, and probably pay less than $600 for each board.
Wow, this is even worse than I thought.

Worst thread ever.
 
Fenrir said:
That's quite ironic considering Zenien's obsession in arguing with people about posting things in their appropriate forums. :down::confused:

Since it deals directly with PS3 only, and Cell, it would belong in this forum.

Manny Calavera said:
It's not for games, it's for a grid computing network, like what google or sun microsystems has set up, just using PS3s, which is really cost ineffective, since you could get comparable performance out of the latest SPARC designs from Sun, and probably pay less than $600 for each board.

If they wanted to set up a grid computing network themselves, the each board would be less then the retail cost of a PS3 by a wide margin. They aren't talking about alloting specific PS3's for the system or about buying them seperately, they're talking about using the PS3's people have bought, to crunch some numbers when it isn't being used by the user. So in effect the massive computational power for these massively computational tasks would be free for them. The documents go into more detail, bandwithd wouldn't really be a problem.
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5287254.stm


Quote:
The spare processing power of Sony's PlayStation 3 (PS3) will be harnessed by scientists trying to understand the cause of diseases like Alzheimer's.

Sony has teamed up with US biologists who already run the distributed computing project, folding@home (FAH). The project harnesses the capacity of thousands of PCs to examine how the shape of proteins, critical to most biological functions, affect disease. FAH say a network of PS3's will allow performance similar to supercomputers. With 10,000 machines joined together the researchers calculate they should be able to do a thousand trillion calculations per second. If that was achieved it would be nearly four times as fast as the world's most powerful supercomputer, IBM's BlueGene/L System, capable of 280.6 trillion calculations per second.


Complex problems

Distributed computing is a way of solving large complex problems by dividing them between many computers. Volunteers download a piece of software that uses their PC or PS3's processing power when it is idle. In this way small packets of data can be crunched by individual machines, before being automatically fed back over the internet to a central computer where all of the results can be viewed together. The method is already used by scientists examining millions of simulations of how malaria spreads to look for ways to control the disease. Other groups are searching through thousands of hours of radio telescope signals for signs of extra-terrestrial intelligence.


Biological processes

The FAH uses distributed computing to examine protein folding and how it maybe linked to diseases. The way in which proteins contort underpins almost every biological process. When they do not fold correctly they can cause diseases such as Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many cancers. Scientists still do not entirely understand how or why this process occurs. To try to gain a better understanding, scientists need to simulate the complex folding process. However, although a fold may take just ten millionths of a second (10 microseconds) in the body, it takes far longer to simulate on a computer. An average PC would take all day just to simulate just one billionth of a second (one nanosecond) of protein folding, and 10,000 days to simulate a complete fold. Dividing the problem up allows the researchers to speed through many more simulations.


Advanced gaming

The scientists hope the arrival of the PS3 will take this research up another level. Sony has demonstrated a piece of protein-folding software that will run on its PS3 when it is launched in November. The PS3 has a powerful processor known as a "cell", which will run up to 10 times faster than current PC chips. A graphical interface, also being developed between Sony and FAH, will eventually allow users and the scientists to look at the protein from different angles as it folds in real-time. The new interface takes advantage of the PS3's graphics chip, designed for advanced gaming. The graphics application is currently undergoing tests and is expected to be finished by September. When the program is released to PS3 owners, the scientists say they will be able to "address questions previously considered impossible to tackle computationally".
 
That's actually several orders of magnitude worse than what I thought they were doing. First, bandwidth is always a problem. Bandwidth is a problem for getting components that are on the same peice of silicon to talk to each other, shooting instructions back and forth over a broadband connection to a processor that may or may not be receptive to them at any given time is insanely stupid. You're not going to have hardly any CPU power left over, unlike PCs people don't usually leave their consoles on and don't use them, and even if you did manage to get some power away from the consoles, the bandwidth would kill you. To me, it sounds like they're doing it simply to make sure that it can be done, because if they were really serious about using a computing grid to do this type of research, and this is the way they decided to do it, then I fear for the people who are depending on them to cure their various diseases.
 
Except you're forgetting that consoles have a sleep mode where by they could do this data crunching when they aren't being used. Distributed computing works, latency included, otherwise they wouldn't have been so sucessful with folding@home, and y'know cite the performance power available with X amount of PS3s networked... and yeah I'm pretty sure they remembered to factor latency into their calculations.

This will be no exception since it's volunteer and they will get the volume they want given the size of what the PS3 userbase will be, also it's FREE to them which is huge. Nothing beats having expensive research being done in a way that is free, thus negating to barrier needed for funding which hurts advancements in this day and age when the computer networks required for a lot of this kind of thing is so massive.

But disagree with them if you want.
 
I'm not forgetting that, I'm acknowleding that nobody is going to use it. No one leaves their console on just for the heck of it zenien. They turn it on, play their game, watch their movie, whatever, and then turn it off. And yes, distributed computing works...with computers, with people's PCs, which actually have unused power to give. Game consoles don't. This is going to fall flat on it's face if they aren't drawing horsepower from anything but unused PS3s.
 

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