Respect

[moviedoors]

If you don't believe in Hell, why get upset if someone thinks you will go there if you continue on your own way? I keep seeing people say that Christians should just suck it up if they think they are being persecuted. How about the people offended by what Christians believe? Should they also just suck it up and keep to themselves?

Because that's having your cake and eating it too. You get to pass judgement on others and say hurtful things about them and then when they get upset about it, you run away and hide behind "well you don't actually believe that so you can't get offended when I say it." Obviously, the idea of hell in and of itself doesn't bother me, but being judged by another whom additionally thinks that they're beyond reproach is bothersome and offensive.

 

[charl_huntress]

Science is not a belief system. It's based on actual information we can gather.

That's awesome, but that doesn't discount anyone's true beliefs.

 

[KevanG]

I know but my point was that much of what we know has to be taken on faith that it is correct (currently considered theories or otherwise) due to the fact that it's pretty much impossible for us to verify all the information we're given on our own. We rely on others to gather it, sort it and break it down to us so that we can understand it without all the math/biology/whatever involved. Just a simple thought that kinda dies if it's taken too far.

 

[Feenix]

It does if the beliefs don't fit the science.

 

[jmc]

That's awesome, but that doesn't discount anyone's true beliefs.

I could care less about ones beliefs, I just want religious people to respect science for what it is. Science is the learning and understanding of the universe via means of experimentation and critical and skeptical thinking.

 

[KevanG]

That's awesome, but that doesn't discount anyone's true beliefs.

I've never said that it did. All I said is that we learn and grow with science and that the more we learn, the more we learn we don't know. Just a system of knowledge that helps us understand everything. Which is really what most things should be about. Understanding.

 

[jmc]

I know but my point was that much of what we know has to be taken on faith that it is correct (currently considered theories or otherwise) due to the fact that it's pretty much impossible for us to verify all the information we're given on our own. We rely on others to gather it, sort it and break it down to us so that we can understand it without all the math/biology/whatever involved. Just a simple thought that kinda dies if it's taken too far.

It may be simplified but that doesn't make it any less factual. The maths and findings for whatever discovery are always available for you to read should you want to go in depth.

 

[Destructus86]

I could care less about ones beliefs, I just want religious people to respect science for what it is. Science is the learning and understanding of the universe via means of experimentation and critical and skeptical thinking.

I think we should just accept people as they are without trying to force them into changing their mindset. Because really...you can't. They may have the dumbest idea in the world towards science but we should respect them as a person because it's their personal belief, not ours.

I love science. I think it's fantastic. I get excited reading about things like water on Mars, etc and I'M a Christian. When I see others discount clearly obvious scientific truth then yes...it's annoying. But it's the belief that I find annoying...I still respect the person as a fellow human being...I just agree to disagree. If that's what they want to think...then fine. They have the right and the freedom to think that. Rather then fighting them over it I live and let live.

 

[charl_huntress]

I know but my point was that much of what we know has to be taken on faith that it is correct (currently considered theories or otherwise) due to the fact that it's pretty much impossible for us to verify all the information we're given on our own. We rely on others to gather it, sort it and break it down to us so that we can understand it without all the math/biology/whatever involved. Just a simple thought that kinda dies if it's taken too far.

Your problem and everyone elses is they wish to ignore the science that proves the word, but accept everything else that doesn't prove it. If you can accept dinosaurs then maybe you can accept why some have an issue with homosexuality...but you can't really...can you.

OR....maybe you can and maybe you will find a reason to support your beliefs.... In most instances, I am sure you will find a reason to support your beliefs. Why can you not accept others who have a different belief will do the same?

NO...that's not right because it's wrong....lol....according to you...it's not the belief of science so they are *******s, wrongheaded, or somehow foolish....

 

[TheBat812]

No,you're not getting it.The Bible is the authority on what is or isn't a sin.You don't have to agree with it,but the Bible is what decides sinful behavior,not popular opinion.

How can you possibly say something like this and not see how disrespectful it is to any non-Christian? The irony is mind blowing.

You're literally telling us that your book is what's right. At least have the decency to say "I believe it to be the authority ...."


It's Christian arrogance and their inability to see objectively that they tend to be very obnoxious and downright insulting to others in these matters that lead people to feel so negatively towards them.

 

[jmc]

The Bible is a book written by a bunch of pseudepigraphal authors many with their own agenda in trying to infuse their own religious nonsense. It's not the authority on anything.

 

[Destructus86]

Because that's having your cake and eating it too. You get to pass judgement on others and say hurtful things about them and then when they get upset about it, you run away and hide behind "well you don't actually believe that so you can't get offended when I say it." Obviously, the idea of hell in and of itself doesn't bother me, but being judged by another whom additionally thinks that they're beyond reproach is bothersome and offensive.

But is that the right response? I've felt the same way you have when someone talks to me like that. But lately i've been keeping in my mind the thought that I can't force them to see things differently anymore than they can me. I can share my thoughts...but that's it and then I move on.

Self-Rightousness comes in many flavors. But that's THEIR problem. Not mine and I refuse to let anyones negative feelings influence my reaction. I feel that is the right response...

I guess....I feel that if you attack back then it sets something up in your mind to start generalizing. "Grr, that (enter belief/political stance here) judged me. They are all the same!!"

 

[Destructus86]

The Bible is a book written by a bunch of pseudepigraphal authors many with their own agenda in trying to infuse their own religious nonsense. It's not the authority on anything.

But it IS someones belief. And it is their right to believe it. Once we start dictating what people "should" believe we become no better than those who try to force their beliefs on us.

 

[TheBat812]

Your problem and everyone elses is they wish to ignore the science that proves the word, but accept everything else that doesn't prove it. If you can accept dinosaurs then maybe you can accept why some have an issue with homosexuality...but you can't really...can you.

OR....maybe you can and maybe you will find a reason to support your beliefs.... In most instances, I am sure you will find a reason to support your beliefs. Why can you not accept others who have a different belief will do the same?

NO...that's not right because it's wrong....lol....according to you...it's not the belief of science so they are *******s, wrongheaded, or somehow foolish....

There is no science that 'proves the word.' There's some evidence that possibly some of the characters in the bible were real, but nothing to substantiate the claims about them made in the bible. We know Lincoln existed, but I'm still waiting on the evidence that he slayed vampires..

And you have all the right in the world to hate or dislike whoever or whatever you want - the problem comes when your belief starts affecting and ruining peoples lives. Many Americans believed blacks were not equal to whites and ruined their lives for 100+ years because of a belief they were allowed to exercise on others.


Does that make sense?

 

[jmc]

But it IS someones belief. And it is their right to believe it. Once we start dictating what people ''should'' believe we become no better than those who try to force their beliefs on us.

They can believe whatever they want, but what is factual is that it was written by men, many with religious agendas, many if not most of whom had no connection to the historical Jesus.

 

[KevanG]

I accept dinosaurs because of various things, not the least being fossils my sister and I found on the beach as kids. I haven't heard much about science that supports a huge amount of things in the bible. Some things but many of them are just common sense these days. Several things in the bible that were considered facts have been disproven. Like evolution. The fossil record shows that, besides a few missing fossils, there is a definite chain from ape to man.

Also, I've been saying this whole time the only issue I have with other people beliefs is when they are infringing on the rights of others. If people are harassing others telling them that they should die or they're going to hell due to a lifestyle choice then that irks me. I'm okay if people say they don't approve of it but not when they start harassing people and trying to force them to change to please themselves. My cousin is gay, she married her wife several years ago. They're happy as can be. I'm happy for them. Most straight couples I know are nowhere near as happy as them and many of them have ended in divorce.

If you believe in Scientology then I have no problem with that. I won't be joining you because I have no interest in it. The same with Christianity, Judaism or whatever. I don't judge people on what they believe in. I judge them on how they act towards others.

Well maybe I judge a bit on scientology just on bias. Battlefield Earth wasn't that good a book.

 

[Feenix]

If you can accept dinosaurs then maybe you can accept why some have an issue with homosexuality...but you can't really...can you.

No, I didn't just read that. This can't be a serious post.

 

[charl_huntress]

There is no science that 'proves the word.'
Does that make sense?

Yes it does...but there's no real science to prove Homosexuality or any of the other crap people subscribe to as their beliefs. They just try to make science into their beliefs like everyone else....lol t:t:t:t:

 

[Feenix]

Yes it does...but there's no real science to prove Homosexuality or any of the other crap people subscribe to as their beliefs. They just try to make science into their beliefs like everyone else....lol t:t:t:t:

Homosexuality is crap now? And you just called other people's beliefs crap. And we're the ones who are disrespectful? You're the worst, really.

 

[Human Torch]

Because that's having your cake and eating it too. You get to pass judgement on others and say hurtful things about them and then when they get upset about it, you run away and hide behind "well you don't actually believe that so you can't get offended when I say it." Obviously, the idea of hell in and of itself doesn't bother me, but being judged by another whom additionally thinks that they're beyond reproach is bothersome and offensive.

I don't think most Christians consider themselves beyond reproach.Acknowledging that you're a sinner is one of the requirements of the Faith.

 

[KevanG]

I figure that if you know you've done wrong and are willing to admit it and deal with the consequences then that's more a sign of growing up.

 

[Human Torch]

I accept dinosaurs because of various things, not the least being fossils my sister and I found on the beach as kids. I haven't heard much about science that supports a huge amount of things in the bible. Some things but many of them are just common sense these days. Several things in the bible that were considered facts have been disproven. Like evolution. The fossil record shows that, besides a few missing fossils, there is a definite chain from ape to man.

Also, I've been saying this whole time the only issue I have with other people beliefs is when they are infringing on the rights of others. If people are harassing others telling them that they should die or they're going to hell due to a lifestyle choice then that irks me. I'm okay if people say they don't approve of it but not when they start harassing people and trying to force them to change to please themselves. My cousin is gay, she married her wife several years ago. They're happy as can be. I'm happy for them. Most straight couples I know are nowhere near as happy as them and many of them have ended in divorce.

If you believe in Scientology then I have no problem with that. I won't be joining you because I have no interest in it. The same with Christianity, Judaism or whatever. I don't judge people on what they believe in. I judge them on how they act towards others.

Well maybe I judge a bit on scientology just on bias. Battlefield Earth wasn't that good a book.

Yeah,the "missing link" that was supposed to confirm Darwin's theory still hasn't been found in over a hundred years.Should keep looking I guess.It may show up,eventually.

 

[Thundercrack85]

There are plenty of non-Christian historical sources documenting the existence of Jesus. Any self-respecting historian (even if they are not a Christian) would not deny the existence of Jesus. That would just be a complete academic faux pas and would get them laughed out of their university/ professorship. There is more historical evidence for Jesus than for Julius Caesar. And anyone who were to dismiss Julius Caesar as just a play by Shakespeare and not a historical figure would look utterly ridiculous.

There are no contemporary sources. The oldest one you have was written by a traitor disowned by the Jews, and his records were kept for centuries by Christian monks, and even many Christian scholars admit that their veracity is dubious, because of interpolations by said monks.

 

[KevanG]

Yeah,the "missing link" that was supposed to confirm Darwin's theory still hasn't been found in over a hundred years.Should keep looking I guess.It may show up,eventually.

That's the thing. There is no single missing link.

There's dozens of fossils of varying stages which show the evolution of man. There's several fossils which show small difference over centuries that are missing but there's dozens upon dozens of others that show distinct stages of evolution for thousands of years. It's not one big link that's missing but tiny ones that complete a chain. We have over 95% of the links that show it. We're just missing some tiny ones to show all of it. Futurama did an episode on this. They used actual fossil evidence in a cartoon to demonstrate this. It's verifiable in any natural history museum. Look to the Smithsonian or any book that deals with human fossil records.

 

[charl_huntress]

Why must everyone try to disapprove Christianity????? Why is that your main cause in life? Do you FEEL oppressed and are now reacting?

Yeah...I'm thinking some of y'all do feel that way.... I have felt this oppression in other threads not related to Christianity. I get it.