Revealing Interview With Doc Conners (Dylan Baker)

[chaseter]

A good way to make give Kraven good visuals, is to have him using spary on potions or something that make a bunch of animals attack you. He could boobytrap his estate or something, and suddenly spider-man is taking a whole freaking zoo.

The last thing I want to see is a potion that makes a bunch of CGI animals attack Spider-Man.

 

[chaseter]

Umm... what does LOGIC have to do with any of this? Which character in ANY of these movies is logical in this day and age. This is pure escapism... anything can go if they create a story that suspends the audience's disbelief.

First off, your avatar is freaking creepy. Secondly, look at the bridge scene is SM1. Those people saved Spider-Man by chunking crap at GG. The police aren't fond of Spidey but they don't stop him from saving people. A jungle man is not going to run around NYC with a freaking huge gun and bow and arrow strapped on his back...not this day and age. These movies have a sense of realism. Sure it's exaggerated, but Raimi takes Spider-Man's real world environment seriously. People act just as if a man with four mechanical arms ran rampant in New York today. Now don't get me wrong, Kraven is a good villian, but just not good enough to run alone or as a major side villian. Raimi has also given every single villian an origin in the movie. I can guarantee you that they will not show Kraven's origin if he makes it...because it's not instant like Ock's and GG's transformation. I think Kraven would be great as a visiting, well known worldwide game hunter here to stop a series of attacks by a huge "crocodile" or "lizard" running loose in the sewers. Now the next movie needs no more than 2 villians max, maybe a cameo or quick capture by Spider-Man such as Shocker. I still think Electro would give amazing visuals and Mysterio could encorporate Bruce into a larger role. As you probably know, Kraven only hunted Spider-Man after an offer from Chameleon. Sorry but Kraven just doesn't provide great visuals or depth. He has no relationship to Peter Parker as every villian we have gotten has had so far. I just don't see it as logical.

 

[Spider-Bite]

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
*ahem* I'm sorry, that's all I have.t:

ever seen Congo?

 

[Pagrebo]

ever seen Congo?

Hey, I have nothing against mutated, crazy, blood thirsty chimpanzees... I think everyone should have at least one. They just have no place in a Spider-Man movie, IMO.

 

[Pagrebo]

First off, your avatar is freaking creepy.

Thanks, I videotaped my little eyeball piercing session with the last person who dared to challenge me!(Don't worry, I still have lots of fun, creative things I can do... including using my "mutated, crazy, bloodthirsty chimpanzee")

Secondly, look at the bridge scene is SM1. Those people saved Spider-Man by chunking crap at GG. The police aren't fond of Spidey but they don't stop him from saving people. A jungle man is not going to run around NYC with a freaking huge gun and bow and arrow strapped on his back...not this day and age. These movies have a sense of realism. Sure it's exaggerated, but Raimi takes Spider-Man's real world environment seriously. People act just as if a man with four mechanical arms ran rampant in New York today.

First, if someone like Ock was running around NYC in our post 9/11 world, the military would be called in if necessary. Ock would be vaporized within seconds upon the order being given. But this is beside the point. You seem to be okay with NYC calling in Kraven to hunt Lizard, right?(Or so I inferred from your earlier posts) So Kraven is good to hunt the Lizard, but this pesky Spider-Man keeps getting in the way. Now what do you think Mr. Macho Ego-Maniacal Kraven is gonna do? That's right, he's going to go after Spidey... he doesn't need the city's permission.

Now don't get me wrong, Kraven is a good villian, but just not good enough to run alone or as a major side villian. Raimi has also given every single villian an origin in the movie. I can guarantee you that they will not show Kraven's origin if he makes it...because it's not instant like Ock's and GG's transformation. I think Kraven would be great as a visiting, well known worldwide game hunter here to stop a series of attacks by a huge "crocodile" or "lizard" running loose in the sewers.

OK, so you do agree it's alright for Kraven to hunt Lizard. As I said and Visionary said, and I think a couple of others have said... Kraven doesn't need to be the primary villain. He just needs to be the "bad-bad" guy, whereas Lizard will be the "bad-good" guy. There are a number of ways that Kraven could be used in this scenario. He could be brought in early on, or he could be brought in after Spidey/Peter fails to stop Lizard. He could have a lot of screen time, or he could have 10 minutes ala Venom. Remember, too, that Sandman could NEVER be a primary villain in a Spidey movie, according to most fanboys early on. I realize Venom is getting most of the press, but Sandman will be a central character in SM3... Raimi simply created a new storyline for the character. There's nothing stopping him from doing the same with Kraven, or any character for that matter. Think outside the box(box=comic book).

Now the next movie needs no more than 2 villians max, maybe a cameo or quick capture by Spider-Man such as Shocker. I still think Electro would give amazing visuals and Mysterio could encorporate Bruce into a larger role. As you probably know, Kraven only hunted Spider-Man after an offer from Chameleon. Sorry but Kraven just doesn't provide great visuals or depth. He has no relationship to Peter Parker as every villian we have gotten has had so far. I just don't see it as logical

For all the reasons I've already stated, anything CAN be both possible and plausible in the movie Spider-Man. It'll just give all the comic fanboys one more reason to get their BVD's in a twist!t:

 

[Mr Jide]

I know ALOT about Kraven the hunter. I meant that Kraven doesn't have super powers without the potions, the potions make him stronger, faster and much greater reflexes but that doesn't mean he would make for a great visual experience. we need villians that put spidey through hell during battle, It just wouldn't be breath taking seeing Kraven fight spidey in a spidey movie.

Whats going on around here? People here these days seem to be posting a whole load of nonsensical jibberish. Do you even know what your talking about, better yet, do you read your own writing?

You just repeated everything I pretty much said about the physicality of kraven and then you go on to imply that he wont put spidey through hell? You do realise that the orgasmic visual eperience that you seem so desperate for doesn't determine just how much ass-kicking gets dished out.
Vis is right, kraven vs. spidey would be a dog fight, I believe it or not, it'l be a fight that'll probably put most of the fights we've seen so far in these movies to shame.

 

[The Joker]

Whats going on around here? People here these days seem to be posting a whole load of nonsensical jibberish. Do you even know what your talking about, better yet, do you read your own writing?

You just repeated everything I pretty much said

This is obviously the first time you've met spidermanhero12 isn't it

 

[FaT_tONle]

Lizard would be nice, but I'd prefer the Sinister Six just as a break from the whole "villain has powers thru scientific accident" thing.

You cant do a SInister Six in one movie... need another trilogy for that... that is why I am skeptical they would do a finale just based on the Lizard and maybe a side villain... doesn't work as a grand finale to me

 

[FaT_tONle]

And we still need to ask ourselves... can a Lizard Kraven film really outdo a Venom Sandman GG2 film... I think not... my fear is they are going to get too over the top and cram SM4 with a bunch of villains without fleshing them out... just to match the action... Lizard and Kraven do not under any circumstances outdo the visuals of the three villains we are getting in SM3... I think WB will be looking for more and we will have another Batman on our hands...

 

[Visionary]

Batman...you're joking, right? You fools have already decided what SM4 is going to be and you haven't even seen SM3 yet. Most Spider-Man fans are comprised of assorted nuts.

 

[The Caped Knight]

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Yes, I so want to see The Lizard in spidey 4 . t: t: t:

 

[Spiderine]

And we still need to ask ourselves... can a Lizard Kraven film really outdo a Venom Sandman GG2 film... I think not... my fear is they are going to get too over the top and cram SM4 with a bunch of villains without fleshing them out... just to match the action... Lizard and Kraven do not under any circumstances outdo the visuals of the three villains we are getting in SM3... I think WB will be looking for more and we will have another Batman on our hands...

Why cant another spidey film outdo spidey 3, have you already seen it? Lets be open minded about the possibilities and stop comparing this francise to Batman. There are many stories to do and other villains to see, the fact that you may not want to see Kraven because he wasnt enough entertainment in the comics doesnt mean they should not do him. I seem to recall Raimi saying Kravens Last Hunt was one of his favorite stories. Kraven would be a huge thorn in spideys side. He's trying to kill or capture his friend for crying out loud.Kraven has strength, agility, and speed just like Spidey. He uses all kinds of weaponry. Give it a chance, it can work.

 

[Spiderine]

Kraven fighting Spider-Man would be a dog fight, it would interest the hell out of me. Remember, not every scene has to be breathtaking or filled with CGI to please the crowd. Subtle scenes have impact too, especially with someone who is cunning, persistant and lives for the hunt, capture or kill of his prey. And if written right, even Kraven could have big breathtaking scenes with Spider-Man, he has superhuman strength and agility--and loves a freakin' challenge.

Hell Yes....absolutely it would be a dog fight. Not only does spidey have to deal with trying to help Connors transformations, stop the lizard harming innocent people , keep him from being captured or killed but you also have this maniac in Kraven thats a concern. Not to mention the lizard also having to confront the hunter, now that would be the s###. Peter still has his own ongoing personal problems. Wow just to think we still got to see Spidey 3!

 

[Visionary]

Sorry but it just doesn't seem logical in this day and age that the police and people of New York would just let a man run around trying to kill Spider-Man.

Welcome to the world of fictional comic books films, where you will see things like this take place.

Kraven is a B rate villian in the world of Spider-Man. He is not a major player and hardly deserves a few scenes, he cannot hold his own movie nor be a major bad guy with the likes of Doc Ock and Sandman.

Sandman is beneath Kraven in my eyes (not in powers, but in comic book rank), and this comes from a big Sandman fan. But there's something you don't seem to understand, most non-fans (average movie-goers, that make up 85-90% of the box office cume) don't know a lot of Spider-Man villains, so it doesn't really matter. You put out an interesting and entertaining film, they'll come-a-running to see it. Plus, Kraven would be a secondary villain to The Lizard.

They are obviously going to have to retool Kraven to modernize him and make him more realistic...not a Tarzan running throuh NYC in leopard print pajamas.

Sure, they'll be some changes, but if we can accept a man running around with 4 mechanical arms, climbing buildings and throwing cars...Kraven is a walk in the park.

Kraven would not have an origin in any movie and should therefore be a minor character.

Yeah, minor character, like you geeks said about Sandman would be, hell, if anything, VENOM is a MINOR character in this flick.

It would be fine and dandy if they just mentioned him like they did John Jameson in SM2, something small but recognizeable to fans.

That could happen, but he'll more effective actually being in the film, especially with THE LIZARD as the main villain. Kraven doesn't have to be the main villain, he'll work best as a secondary villian, if THE LIZARD is the main foe. I'd also include ELECTRO too.

That could happenMy guess for the next movie remains Lizard and Electro/Scorpion/or Mysterio. It would be nice to see Peter have no where to turn to concerning his mentor Connors now being the Lizard and his boss creating Scorpion to get back at him. Also, Electro and/or Mysterio would make for some great visual effects.

The Lizard and Electro, YES. Mysterio and Scorpion, NO!

What's the purpose of putting Scorpion in the same film as The Lizard--they'll look like twins?

Mysterio is a physical joke to Spider-Man, and would call for ass load of unnecessary and useless CGI...and he has a fishbowl on his head.

 

[Spiderine]

Mysterio doesnt have superstrength does he. How would he even be done in a movie?

 

[Spiderine]

Also how would he provide you with more action and fight scenes anyway.

 

[Overman27pj]

The Lizard for 4 definetly, but instead of another Spidy villian howabout a crossover to make it exciting...Have spidy vs the Hulk, or mabye Punisher?

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

First off, your avatar is freaking creepy. Secondly, look at the bridge scene is SM1. Those people saved Spider-Man by chunking crap at GG. The police aren't fond of Spidey but they don't stop him from saving people. A jungle man is not going to run around NYC with a freaking huge gun and bow and arrow strapped on his back...not this day and age. These movies have a sense of realism. Sure it's exaggerated, but Raimi takes Spider-Man's real world environment seriously. People act just as if a man with four mechanical arms ran rampant in New York today. Now don't get me wrong, Kraven is a good villian, but just not good enough to run alone or as a major side villian. Raimi has also given every single villian an origin in the movie. I can guarantee you that they will not show Kraven's origin if he makes it...because it's not instant like Ock's and GG's transformation. I think Kraven would be great as a visiting, well known worldwide game hunter here to stop a series of attacks by a huge "crocodile" or "lizard" running loose in the sewers. Now the next movie needs no more than 2 villians max, maybe a cameo or quick capture by Spider-Man such as Shocker. I still think Electro would give amazing visuals and Mysterio could encorporate Bruce into a larger role. As you probably know, Kraven only hunted Spider-Man after an offer from Chameleon. Sorry but Kraven just doesn't provide great visuals or depth. He has no relationship to Peter Parker as every villian we have gotten has had so far. I just don't see it as logical.

you are exactly right. Kraven wouldn't have great story in the movies, why do you think the story is so good in the spidey movies? one of the reasons is because the villians have a personal connection to peter in which i think should continue but what kind of connection can Kraven have with peter? I say no connection.

 

[Visionary]

That's another reason why a new director might be needed. The whole connection thing with Peter Parker (except for Connors/The Lizard+Eddie/Venom+Norman/Harry+Goblins) needs to freakin' stop.

 

[Mr Jide]

The Lizard for 4 definetly, but instead of another Spidy villian howabout a crossover to make it exciting...Have spidy vs the Hulk, or mabye Punisher?

This will never happen because distribution rights says so.

 

[Mr Jide]

you are exactly right. Kraven wouldn't have great story in the movies, why do you think the story is so good in the spidey movies? one of the reasons is because the villians have a personal connection to peter in which i think should continue but what kind of connection can Kraven have with peter? I say no connection.

I disagree. Not every villain needs to have a conection to peter. Its actually annoying. Kraven can be given a great story, as long as the script writer knows how to do his f'ing job.
A lizard/kraven story could work so well, you just need to stop being so close minded about it.

 

[Pagrebo]

you are exactly right. Kraven wouldn't have great story in the movies, why do you think the story is so good in the spidey movies? one of the reasons is because the villians have a personal connection to peter in which i think should continue but what kind of connection can Kraven have with peter? I say no connection.

Connect the dots... Peter connected to Connors= Spidey connected to Lizard. Kraven connected to Lizard(hunter to hunted), therefore Kraven connected to Spidey. They'll be kind of like in-laws... so of course they'll naturally want to kill each other...(oops, did I just leak my joyous relationship with my in-laws?? )

So Raimi could still do it.

BTW- Visionary and Spiderine are my new bestest friends in this thread. They are speaking MY mind in my absence!t:

 

[Pagrebo]

I disagree. Not every villain needs to have a conection to peter. Its actually annoying. Kraven can be given a great story, as long as the script writer knows how to do his f'ing job.
A lizard/kraven story could work so well, you just need to stop being so close minded about it.

Yeah!!!! What HE said!!!!

(That's why we call him Mister!)t:

 

[Pagrebo]

You cant do a SInister Six in one movie... need another trilogy for that... that is why I am skeptical they would do a finale just based on the Lizard and maybe a side villain... doesn't work as a grand finale to me

Negative Nellie!!!

If they stop KILLING the villains, they could easily build to a Sinister Six. All of the necessary backstory and character development would have already been done in earlier movies. So, at the end of SM5(for example), you could have the Six meeting together with the intent to destroy Spider-Man. The next movie picks up right there. Create some subplots with MJ or JJJ or Gwen or whoever, and away you go. No problemo.

 

[War Party]

I would love to see Lizard and Kraven in the 4th film.