Riots in Missouri - Part 3

[MessiahDecoy123]

Like that time that one MO teen tried to grab the officer's gun while resisting arrest?

He wasn't under arrest whenever the struggle took place.

and he wasn't armed or near the officer when he was shot.

These details made the case ambiguous and controversial regardless of how the evidence unfolded.

 

[Kelly]

Most cases are ambiguous until the evidence unfolds. But it is the evidence that shows the truth.

And people's simple choice to not read, understand, or believe the said evidence and take it upon themselves to write their own narrative about it is what has made it controversial.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The Wilson/Brown case was just a spark that lit the police abuse protest.

It wasn't the ideal case to start the movement but it had to happen sooner or later.

 

[Kelly]

Agreed...

IMO, the Garner case is a much stronger case to point out the problem, and showed the problem not only in excessive use of force but the fact that witness testimony showed that the police have been harassing the man for quite a while, and knew him by name.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Like that time that one MO teen tried to grab the officer's gun while resisting arrest?

This has become the new thing. Apparently most black people who are shot decides to either run at a police officer or grab for their gun. Of course it apparently never works as they get shot with said weapon.

Agreed...

IMO, the Garner case is a much stronger case to point out the problem, and showed the problem not only in excessive use of force but the fact that witness testimony showed that the police have been harassing the man for quite a while, and knew him by name.

But what does it get people? In either case, people are shouted down, their protest labelled ineffective as people complain they can't get to work. Look at the cops in NY. They are neglecting their duty, embarrassing themselves and putting people's lives at risk. And their punishment? Will they be fired?

 

[childeroland]

Agreed...

IMO, the Garner case is a much stronger case to point out the problem, and showed the problem not only in excessive use of force but the fact that witness testimony showed that the police have been harassing the man for quite a while, and knew him by name.

What do you mean "quite a while"? What exactly did they say to him, and how long did the conversation go on?

 

[Howlett]

Since he was armed with a deadly weapon (car), I doubt there will be much protest linked to this shooting.

People are protesting unarmed people being killed.

Really? The recent riots and protesting in ST. Louis overAntonio Martin who was shot for pointing a gun at a cop say otherwise.

They don't even know what they're protesting for anymore.

 

[Howlett]

Agreed...

IMO, the Garner case is a much stronger case to point out the problem, and showed the problem not only in excessive use of force but the fact that witness testimony showed that the police have been harassing the man for quite a while, and knew him by name.

Harassed? The man was arrested 30 times in less than 10 years(some of them for violent crimes). Of course they knew his name, because he was constantly breaking the law.

Witnesses also said Mike Brown was executed and shot in the back at point blank range, which was also a lie. Witnesses can be full of BS.

 

[Kelly]

What do you mean "quite a while"? What exactly did they say to him, and how long did the conversation go on?

Quite a while as in daily harassment of the man by the police, not just that one day. This was from interviews of the store owners in the area.

 

[Howlett]

Quite a while as in daily harassment of the man by the police, not just that one day. This was from interviews of the store owners in the area.

Did they happen to mention why he was "harassed?" Was it because he was breaking the law? He's lucky they didn't arrest him every time instead of just "harassing" him.

 

[childeroland]

Supposedly for selling loosies. The time they did arrest him for it, he denied it and it isnt clear if he did it.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

Quite a while as in daily harassment of the man by the police, not just that one day. This was from interviews of the store owners in the area.

I thought it was the store owners that called in complaints about illegal stuff being sold by Garner.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Really? The recent riots and protesting in ST. Louis overAntonio Martin who was shot for pointing a gun at a cop say otherwise.

They don't even know what they're protesting for anymore.

I'm referring to the nationwide protests.

 

[childeroland]

I thought it was the store owners that called in complaints about illegal stuff being sold by Garner.

Store owners complained about cigarette sellers and pot sellers, but it is not clear they meant Garner, though one of them might have. One store owner who had complained said he did not mean Garner. Other store owners said they didn't complain about Garner or untaxed cigarettes.

 

[Kelly]

I thought it was the store owners that called in complaints about illegal stuff being sold by Garner.

I'm sure many did...

 

[warhorse78]

Store owners complained about cigarette sellers and pot sellers, but it is not clear they meant Garner, though one of them might have. One store owner who had complained said he did not mean Garner. Other store owners said they didn't complain about Garner or untaxed cigarettes.

Sure they did. Now they are recanting because they don't want some nut job coming around and lighting their stores on fire.

 

[childeroland]

How do you know that?

 

[Kar]

Let the meaningless protests continue.

http://news.yahoo.com/man-tries-run-down-police-shoot-kill-him-000453476.html

UPPER DARBY, Pa. (AP) — A man who had posted an online video threatening to kill police and FBI agents tried to use his car to run down officers seeking to arrest him on Tuesday so, fearing for their lives, they shot and killed him, authorities said.
Police did not immediately identify the man, who was killed in Upper Darby, in suburban Philadelphia, as officers ordered him out of the car and he appeared ready to accelerate at them as they manned a blockade.
Police Superintendent Michael Chitwood said the officers feared the man would kill them and they "did what they had to do." He said five officers fired at the man and no officers were injured.
Police had secured an arrest warrant for the man after he threatened to kill police and FBI agents in the online video, Chitwood said. The man's death comes a little more than a week after a man who made similar threats shot two New York Police Department officers dead in their patrol car and then killed himself in a subway station.
Police said they began following the man after he left a home in nearby Clifton Heights. They said when officers stopped him at an intersection and ordered him out of the car, he reversed and slammed into a police vehicle and then prepared to run over other officers.
Officers opened fire, killing the man, Chitwood said. The man did not fire at police, and Chitwood said he did not know if the man had a weapon.
In the New York case, Officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu were ambushed on a Brooklyn street as they sat in their marked car on Dec. 20. Their attacker, Ismaaiyl Brinsley, had referenced in online posts the high-profile killings by white police officers of unarmed black men, specifically Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, and Eric Garner on Staten Island. Soon after the officers' shooting Brinsley, who was black, killed himself.
Decisions by grand juries not to indict the officers involved in the killings of Brown and Garner have sparked protests around the nation, with demonstrators lying down in the streets as though they're dead. Many protesters have chanted "Hands up! Don't shoot!" a reference to their contention Brown's hands were raised when he was shot dead by police, and "I can't breathe," which Garner was heard saying on a video recording of his encounter with a policeman who put his arm around his neck.
On Sunday, two men opened fire on a police car patrolling a tough part of Los Angeles, but the two officers inside were not injured and one was able to shoot back, authorities said. One suspect was later arrested, and the other was on the loose. Police haven't determined a motive for the shooting in South Los Angeles, an area plagued by gang violence, but said there were no indications it was linked to other attacks on police.

Again, you're missing the point here. Not sticking up for this guy at all but like I stated earlier where is the restraint? I JUST posted an article about a white woman in Tenn that drove around a neighborhood shooting at pedestrians and pointing her gun at cops who was simply arrested with no injuries. While I doubt anyone will form a "meaningless protest" in this guy's name cause this wasn't really an injustice, it just raises the question again are our lives worthless? You can argue that "oh that guy deserved it" but what about the others? Tamir Rice gets shot dead for handling a toy guy, John Crawford gets shot for handling a toy gun, Eric Garner gets killed for standing around, but there are white people out here waving guns around and still making it home to see their families.

And Howlett, you say sometimes witnesses claims can be BS, but what about cops? Why is it SO easy for everyone to believe Darren Wilson? Because he has a badge? Because he had bruises on his face from when he was savagely being beaten within an inch of his life by a demon? This is what bothers me with these cases. Everyone believes that Mike Brown is this Solomon Grundy monster because of a ****ing video of him stealing cigars (save your "it was a strong armed robbery and he pushed that little store clerk" replies). I'm not justifying stealing but I DAMN sure aint justifying killing him. There is no real proof that half the **** Wilson claimed is true, but all it takes for America to believe otherwise is a criminal record. "Look at his rap sheet, surprised it didn't happen sooner" "Oh he was a criminal blah blah blah". Criminal record =/= death by the people meant to protect us.

We aren't protesting for every black life we're protesting because these cops are getting allowed to kill us. That's where "Black Lives Matter" comes from. Society will tell you otherwise. It will tell you we are accountable for our deaths because our pants were low or because our music was too loud or we had a record. We'll get painted as monsters and such. A black guy gets killed by a cop and more than likely we'll see that person's permanent record on the news by 5pm. Pictures of him seemingly at his worst or just anything to make him look menacing. When Mike was killed and his photo was on the news they went with a photo of him in regular street wear, not smiling and holding up a peace sign. Some ignorant white people asked if it was a gang sign. Why go with that photo as opposed to the ones he had wearing his graduation gown or the one of him holding a child? Its to support Darren Wilson's "he was a demon" story. Trayvon Martin got killed and boom, pics of him holding up middle fingers and reports of him smoking marijuana. Why is any of that relevant? Its frustrating.

 

[Howlett]

Again, you're missing the point here. Not sticking up for this guy at all but like I stated earlier where is the restraint? I JUST posted an article about a white woman in Tenn that drove around a neighborhood shooting at pedestrians and pointing her gun at cops who was simply arrested with no injuries.

Do you know how many people(black people included)are arrested every day without incident, and sometimes they have a gun. Why don't you start researching for those reports. They happen far more frequently than the cop shootings you're trying to portray as then norm, which is just a lie.

While I doubt anyone will form a "meaningless protest" in this guy's name cause this wasn't really an injustice, it just raises the question again are our lives worthless? You can argue that "oh that guy deserved it" but what about the others? Tamir Rice gets shot dead for handling a toy guy, John Crawford gets shot for handling a toy gun, Eric Garner gets killed for standing around, but there are white people out here waving guns around and still making it home to see their families.

Accidents happen. It happens to white people too. But you don't hear about that much and there aren't protests about it.

And Howlett, you say sometimes witnesses claims can be BS, but what about cops? Why is it SO easy for everyone to believe Darren Wilson? Because he has a badge? Because he had bruises on his face from when he was savagely being beaten within an inch of his life by a demon?

Um, no. Because forensics and evidence backs up his story much better than some of the witnesses flat out lies.

This is what bothers me with these cases. Everyone believes that Mike Brown is this Solomon Grundy monster because of a ****ing video of him stealing cigars (save your "it was a strong armed robbery and he pushed that little store clerk" replies). I'm not justifying stealing but I DAMN sure aint justifying killing him.

Then he shouldn't have attacked a cop.

There is no real proof that half the **** Wilson claimed is true,

Have you read the forensics report?

but all it takes for America to believe otherwise is a criminal record. "Look at his rap sheet, surprised it didn't happen sooner" "Oh he was a criminal blah blah blah". Criminal record =/= death by the people meant to protect us.

No. There's PLENTY of evidence that Mike Brown did everything to put himself in a very bad situation that caused his death.

We aren't protesting for every black life

Apparently that's not the case when you have people protesting for criminals who admit they did it. It's now to the point where any black person arrested is some kind of hero, and how dare they arrest them!

we're protesting because these cops are getting allowed to kill us. That's where "Black Lives Matter" comes from.

ALL LIVES MATTER. You're not special.

Society will tell you otherwise. It will tell you we are accountable for our deaths because our pants were low or because our music was too loud or we had a record. We'll get painted as monsters and such. A black guy gets killed by a cop and more than likely we'll see that person's permanent record on the news by 5pm. Pictures of him seemingly at his worst or just anything to make him look menacing. When Mike was killed and his photo was on the news they went with a photo of him in regular street wear, not smiling and holding up a peace sign. Some ignorant white people asked if it was a gang sign. Why go with that photo as opposed to the ones he had wearing his graduation gown or the one of him holding a child? Its to support Darren Wilson's "he was a demon" story. Trayvon Martin got killed and boom, pics of him holding up middle fingers and reports of him smoking marijuana. Why is any of that relevant? Its frustrating.

Are you serious? If anything they go the opposite way. They showed a picture of Trayvon from when he was like 12 years old at first.

 

[Schlosser85]

Pictures of him wearing his graduation gown or holding a baby are just as slanted as pictures of him holding a gun or flashing a gang sign.

What does him wearing a graduation gown have to do with anything?

Look, I can't be a crook, I'm holding a baby (said every dirty politician ever)

 

[childeroland]

Dorian Johnson, James McKnight, a construction worker (who might not be reliable), and Philip Walker say Brown had his hands up and was walking toward the officer but not rushing him. Their accounts don't seem to entirely match up.

According to the Washington Post, contradictions in Wilson's testimony were left unchallenged by prosecutors. Wilson's and other officers' handling of the forensic evidence was unorthodox -- he washed his hands before being photographed, he brought in the gun himself, his initial interviews were not taped.

The St. Louis County ME office relied on the police departments photos of the scene instead of photographing it themselves.

Witnesses can't corroborate Wilson told Brown twice to stay on the ground.

Wilson says Brown charged him; others say he stumbled towards Wilson or just walked. Wilson says Brown put his right hand inside his shirt and into his waistband, and that when he was shot dead his right hand was still under him, looked like it was still in his waistband; the ME says Brown's "right arm was extended away from his side. His left arm was next to his side his lower arm was beneath his abdomen and his hand was near the waistband of his shorts." I don't think we'll ever know for sure, one way or the other, but I'm not sure Wilson set out to murder Brown. Maybe he freaked out and thought Brown was rushing him after turning around -- maybe Brown really WAS rushing him.

 

[SuperT]

I think it's been pretty evident to everyone at this point that the Ferguson PD botched handling the investigation of the entire incident.

 

[childeroland]

Just a question: Did police try to issue Garner a summons that he refused before they arrested him? Or did they ask him for ID, he said he had none, and then he got agitated (or more agitated) and they arrested him? Does anyone know? (I can't tell off the videos I've seen.)

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Hard to tell, really. That incident seemed to escalate all in one moment because of the officer who snuck up behind him.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

Looking back at some of these responses for supporting some of the police in SOME of these situations, and acknowledging faults of people who attack/don't comply/commit criminal acts towards cops......... it's really funny but in a way, sad to see assumptions that were completely off.

I have long considered Fox News as being biased and more entertainment than news. I have also been an Obama supporter, though I have disagreed with some of his actions and assessments from some of the socially relevant events that have happened.

Of course, not agreeing to the rush of judgment or acts of Sharpton to push narrative for protests, had some members making assumptions that are way off. LOL they'd assume I'm a republican fox news fanatical believer. Which is far from the truth. Ah foolish prejudging can happen from all sides.